So FOD latest video has dropped. Ran a 16:04 despite the wind and some of the course having gravel.
Do people here think he could drop a sub 15min 5k one day?
zero chance of a sub 15. lads done remarkably well to get low 16 - im sure he'll dip under but his ceiling cant be any lower than 15:50 unless he starts doing some track work or some 1500m/3000m races
hasnt got the greatest style and doesnt look like he does any plyometrics/squats/gym work to get the legs moving quicker and been running a lot of miles for many years so cant improve much more by just doing similar sessions and mileage
What do we predict Bester is gonna clock at the London marathon?
cant see another sub 2:20 as London is a slower course than all the foreign ones with perfect conditions he usually ventures to.
hes ruining himself in training and appears to have recently panicked into ramping up his mileage when he realised Cole is running much better than him. can see it turning into a controlled regression run, no with a massive blow up but the fatigue built-up through the recent training hitting him. dnt think hes done any impressive sessions in a while.
2:22. im sure he reads this thread but doesnt post
So FOD latest video has dropped. Ran a 16:04 despite the wind and some of the course having gravel.
Do people here think he could drop a sub 15min 5k one day?
zero chance of a sub 15. lads done remarkably well to get low 16 - im sure he'll dip under but his ceiling cant be any lower than 15:50 unless he starts doing some track work or some 1500m/3000m races
hasnt got the greatest style and doesnt look like he does any plyometrics/squats/gym work to get the legs moving quicker and been running a lot of miles for many years so cant improve much more by just doing similar sessions and mileage
I think a big hindrance for him must be his size. He is carrying a lot of weight, even when lean just because he is a huge man.
I honestly think this is why his marathon time is slow compared to his other times (not that he is slow, just slower than he probably should be). Lugging around a big frame can't be easy and the carbs needed are a struggle for him as well.
Great guy and great channel. One of the ones I look forward to dropping.
Will any of the following YouTubers ever better Scullions marathon PB:
- Ryan Thomas
- Michael Oetson (can’t be bothered to google how to spell the surname)
- Adam Wood
Guessing you mean Ryan Thomson? Ryan's 29 with a PR of 2:15:44, he'd have to take 6minutes off of that to get near Scullion, meanwhile his HM PR is essentially Scullion's Marathon PR pace + Ryan hasn't broken 30 for 10K since 2022, which is also back when he last ran a 5000 PR. I'm sure he'll keep improving but that is a mammoth gap still to close and he would really need to work on his shorter distances to ever think about getting near sub2:10
Never heard of Michael, but imo Adam will never get near it - seems a super nice guy but he's not even consistent at his current level, let alone taking ~10mins off his Marathon time
Kofuzi's views have taken a hit. We're in a shoetubesession.
His videos have just been getting more and more out of touch with the average hobby jogger. The last thing I want to see during a period of fear, uncertainty, and doubt, is some bozo who can't train properly living his best life with a hobby that I also love but can't pursue fully.
Not a chance, even I can admit that! I feel I am in sub 16 shape, the wind was cruel that night but we can only race the weather we are "given" so theres no point in moaning too much about it... I will hopefully have better conditions at Battersea next weekend.
Realistically I think 15:40/15:45 would be about where my limit is on current mileage / setup, and that would be after a couple of blocks. I have started adding in an extra run a week (thursday double now) so i'm hoping after stacking up a few months of those that'll help... but ultimately my limiting factor is my mileage and my form.
I see someone further down the thread mentioned track races... I am actually hoping to jump into some this year as ive never ever run one and I think it will be good for me... these speed blocks are something i've neglected so I need to hit them head on
Think im more interested on these 3 guys than the pro's up the front. Hope the BBC know to focus the cameras their way. well i know thats not going to happen so will wait on the vids to drop.
I actually think Nick Bester will run the quickest. Cole obv the most talented but has the least experience by far, could be overawed by the occasion. Don’t think Ben will be in the running, quite inconsistent on previous marathons.
Guessing you mean Ryan Thomson? Ryan's 29 with a PR of 2:15:44, he'd have to take 6minutes off of that to get near Scullion, meanwhile his HM PR is essentially Scullion's Marathon PR pace + Ryan hasn't broken 30 for 10K since 2022, which is also back when he last ran a 5000 PR. I'm sure he'll keep improving but that is a mammoth gap still to close and he would really need to work on his shorter distances to ever think about getting near sub2:10
Never heard of Michael, but imo Adam will never get near it - seems a super nice guy but he's not even consistent at his current level, let alone taking ~10mins off his Marathon time
I agree that I don't think that 2:09 is on the cards for him anytime soon but just to add that his latest youtube video is excellent and shows him running a fairly tactical 48 minute 10 mile race in windy conditions so I think the Half Marathon pb ought to get a good chunk faster this year based on that. Also he has seemingly gone pretty deep into the Norwegian method over the last few months and it seems to have been paying off in his races so will be interesting to see longer term progress from that.
I actually think Nick Bester will run the quickest. Cole obv the most talented but has the least experience by far, could be overawed by the occasion. Don’t think Ben will be in the running, quite inconsistent on previous marathons.
The big edge Cole will have is that I've seen him run many races here in Kent where he's just dropped the field very quickly and had to run them as a time trial on his own, gun to tape.
I know they're not marathons, but if he ends on his own I don't think it'll phase him as much as others.
I actually think Nick Bester will run the quickest. Cole obv the most talented but has the least experience by far, could be overawed by the occasion. Don’t think Ben will be in the running, quite inconsistent on previous marathons.
The big edge Cole will have is that I've seen him run many races here in Kent where he's just dropped the field very quickly and had to run them as a time trial on his own, gun to tape.
I know they're not marathons, but if he ends on his own I don't think it'll phase him as much as others.
I know Cole has been running insane mileage but has he got the race day nutrition sorted? How many 18, 19, 20 milers has he been running? Much marathon pace work?
I found Floberg’s most recent video to be more heartfelt than most. He still ran a PR. He ran a lot faster than most of the people on this thread will ever run. Give the guy a break.
still, they’re all mostly narcissist shills. the real “running community,” the people who deserve our respect, are the ones who quietly grind their way to their respective goals — whether it be Sub 3, OTQ, or beyond — without needing adulation from online followers, constant praise and validation, and without utilizing joke courses or other shortcuts. They simply grind it out with consistent thoughtful training and hard work.
That’s why Ko’s viewership precipitously declined. We could all get behind and root for an average joe traveling the world and eking out a legit Sub 3 and running Boston through trial and error. Then he lost his driving sense of purpose and started getting flown around the world on sponsor’s dime while sleepwalking through ill conceived training cycles. No longer relatable, and in fact appearing increasingly parasitic.
Jake and Clayton seem like the most purely “for the love of the game” channels, and those are the videos I never miss.
I find this to be a good take. I have been following Floberg for a little while and found him relatable as a 30+ yo avid runner mysefl. His story is a bit unique as he i) unsuccessfully tried to break 3 hours many, many times (legit attempts, though doomed by ill training), ii) finally got under 3 with a realistic time (2:57) but iii) THEN really, really progressed to 2:48, 2:39 all the way down to 2:32 now. That's pretty rare. Most folks who break 3 after multiple attempts end just below that as a lifetime PR. The 2:32 type usually runs low 3 if not sub 3 first marathon. He's shaved over 1 min/mi in the last 2-3 years and it takes some grinding.
All else is trash though. The BPN affiliation, the excuses and self love, it's a bit much. He's become far less likeable. He had a video where he went over the 3:50->2:48 progression and that was a great, inspiring watch. Now as others said he goes big in advertising is goal, then doesn't get into the shape that's required, and "fails". He was in 2:32-2:34 shape and ran to the best of his capacity. None of his workouts were 2:29 or less. 5:43 pace isn't THAT easy for him. You should be able to run something like 10E+10M and not be completely trashed, but his M pace segments were clearly LT workouts.
Anyway, Floberg if you read be very proud of what you accomplished, but maybe realize you don't come off as super likeable. Most runners are narcissists, including myself, but we're not on camera either.
Floberg is back running. The man needs time off. In the last year he's ran multiple marathons, chased a silly mileage goal, ended up seriously sick and then constantly misses out on a time he picked from thin air with no workout saying he's anywhere close.
He'll turn up at a marathon in a few weeks attempting 2:30 because, you know, he's in 2:30 shape, but the course/weather/shoes just aren't right.
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