This policy was just an Obama era holdover which was a bad idea because Obama did it but also exaggerated just to make Trump look bad but also a good idea because otherwise we'd have open borders but also a bad idea because Democrats refuse to change it but also a good idea because it's an official Trump administration policy but also a bad idea because Trump just changed it. Emails Hillary Pizzagate. Obama birth certificate!
Trumpettes are NOT Americans!
Texas Private Property wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
2. Build the wall, secure the border, tighten visa enforcement.
Idiot. Explain how you will build a wall along the Rio Grande. That is the border along all of Texas.
Will you build down the middle of the river?
Will be build it on the USA side?
How will build it through private property?
What will you do about the wall where it has to cut right through parts of people's homes?
How will you address lose of American properties owners who currently have access to the river? Their new view would be of a 30 foot wall.
Eminent domain.
6/20/2018 RCP average approval 43.3.
He just cant get above 45
Staff working on the behalf of the Office of Refugee Resettlement are routinely drugging detained child migrants with psychotropics without their parents’ consent, according to legal filings.
The drugging allegations are among the most disturbing. One child cited in the lawsuit reported taking up to nine pills in the morning and another seven in the evening, without knowing what the medication was.
“ORR routinely administers children psychotropic drugs without lawful authorization,” a memo filed in the lawsuit on April 16 reads. “When youth object to taking such medications, ORR compels them. ORR neither requires nor asks for a parent’s consent before medicating a child, nor does it seek lawful authority to consent in parents’ stead. Instead, ORR or facility staff sign ‘consent’ forms anointing themselves with ‘authority’ to administer psychotropic drugs to confined children.”
One child, identified in court records as Julio Z., said staff at Shiloh thew him to the floor and forced him to take medication. He said he witnessed staff pry another child’s mouth open to force him to swallow a pill.
“They told me that if I did not take the medicine I could not leave,” Julio Z. said, according to the court records. “That the only way I could get out of Shiloh was if I took the pills.”
“Sometimes they give me forced injections,” another child, identified as Rosa L., said. “One or two staff hold my arms, and the nurse gives me an injection.”
The seven pills named in the court filings ― Clonazepam, Duloxetine, Guanfacine, Geodon, Olanzapine, Latuda and Divalproex ― as medications used to control depression, anxiety, attention deficit disorder, bipolar disorder, mood disorders, schizophrenia and seizures.
DiscoGary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
The border issue is immaterial compared to fixing the status of 11 million undocumented people, which until Trump came along was also not top of the agenda compared to other more pressing and threatening matters. The low annual migrant flow is simply not that big of an issue, especially for our melting pot nation which has always benefitted greatly from immigration. This is just the issue Trump happened to give you all to latch onto. If he was serious about immigration reform, he would have been dealing with the 11 million, but there has been no mention of that.
If you don't secure the border, then it makes no sense to deal with illegals already here, because you'll just have another million next year, so Trump's attempt to secure the border is the right priority.
This is what I would.
1. For now, status quo for the illegals already here. You live in the shadows and behave. You break the law, you get sent home. If you don't like it, you can leave at any time.
2. Build the wall, secure the border, tighten visa enforcement. Basically get illegal immigration down to a small number.
3. Wait 10 years.
4. If the borders are still secure, then work on granting amnesty to the illegals still here.
5. If at any point the border breaks down, then amnesty stops and you go back to step 1.
Not surprising, you have a simple trumpian solution, and let me guess we only haven't done anything about it because there is unwillingness from the government and not because the issue is complicated right. My responses:
1. "For now, status quo for the illegals already here. You live in the shadows and behave. You break the law, you get sent home. If you don't like it, you can leave at any time." That is already the practice and it doesn't address the problem Trump claims we have with criminals. Quick math, if 1% of the illegal population is bad, then that's 110,000 bad guys that have been roaming the country and committing all sorts of crimes in recent years, compared to 3,000 coming in a single year (based on a 300,000 net change from '15 to '16 from the research piece below). That is not even close... the more urgent problem, based on trump assertion of criminals in the midst, lies in the 11 million. In some years, there are net decreases, so I guess the border problem is sorting itself out those years.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/2. "Build the wall, secure the border, tighten visa enforcement. Basically get illegal immigration down to a small number."
Build wall? How? Secure the border? How much more? Every additional man adds just a marginal benefit to enforcement stats. Do you suggest we pay enough people to hold hands across the whole border?
3. "Wait 10 years" For what? If you're going offer residency down the road, some have already waited 20
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/DiscoGary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
And for the record you are right, there is plenty of hatred toward Trump and almost everything he does.. all fully justified and self-inflicted. If you don't think that division was his strategy from day 1, then you haven't been paying attention as much as you claim to be.
Wrong. The hate was there before he showed up. Trust me, I know. Before the hate was aimed at Trump it was aimed at me. His strategy was to fight back against it. That's why he won. Without the hate from the left, Trump would have pulled
Oh I forgot you too are a victim, always a victim... you need to snap out of your weak loser mentality, realize you have it much better than most in this country and the world, and man up and work hard to get what you want in life. Did Obama stop you from doing that?
reposting:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/male-trump-voters-masculinity/503741/Trollminator wrote:
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Oh I forgot you too are a victim, always a victim... you need to snap out of your weak loser mentality, realize you have it much better than most in this country and the world, and man up and work hard to get what you want in life. Did Obama stop you from doing that?
...
In fact he did. He used the IRS to suppress the formation of Tea Party groups. I am a victim of Obama's corruption and, yes, he did keep me from getting what I want in life. Glad you asked.
But in the Liberal Media Rat Maze, the villain can never be seen as a sympathetic victim, so you will never acknowledge this. You will think this is a good thing, and that is your weakness.
Meanwhile, your boy Managort has been charged with mandlaughter.
Still don’t think he’s going to flip now?
DiscoGary wrote:
Eminent domain.
That answers my question. You do not realize what just happened here. That's always the problem because it makes it impossible for you to understand what will happen in the future. I watch, I learn, I grow. You walk through life in a cloud of ignorance occasionally banging your head into reality and wondering what hit you. To each his own.
Can we all agree that Gary is an intentional liar and misdirector? He lives in the biggest glass house I;ve ever seen and projects nearly everything he sees in his "team" on to his "enemies". People like him are only for authority. He's clearly fine taking from Americans, too. He only want to be able to feel like he has some superiority..through race, or nationality, or whatever his current feelings are.
He lies like Trump. He lies just to lie.
I’m glad Trump ended this Obama-era policy.
Obama had over 25,000 people on his gulags according to a 2014 story.
Thank you Mr. President.
DiscoGary wrote:
In fact he did. He used the IRS to suppress the formation of Tea Party groups. I am a victim of Obama's corruption and, yes, he did keep me from getting what I want in life. Glad you asked.
But in the Liberal Media Rat Maze, the villain can never be seen as a sympathetic victim, so you will never acknowledge this. You will think this is a good thing, and that is your weakness.
Please, Gary, tell us exactly how Obama harmed you. Does Obama know you somehow? Do we have some high-level politico here on the boards arguing with us? Or are you some delusional crackpot who spouts nonsense just to get a rise?
Gary is a liar. That's all.
BREAKING!!
[Michael] Cohen just withdrew as a deputy finance chairman of the Republican National Committee. And according to ABC News, his reason includes not just the major federal criminal investigation he faces, but also a policy difference with Trump.
“As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote in his letter to the RNC. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips.”
Faux outrage wrote:
I’m glad Trump ended this Obama-era policy.
Obama had over 25,000 people on his gulags according to a 2014 story.
Thank you Mr. President.
Hi Gary! Is this drivel from Faux News? They've been peddling this whataboutism since yesterday.
Faux outrage wrote:
I’m glad Trump ended this TRUMP-era policy.
TRUMP had over 25,000 people in his gulags since assuming the American monarchy.
F'you Mr. President.[/quote]
Indeed.
Herewegoagain! wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
Eminent domain.
That answers my question. You do not realize what just happened here. That's always the problem because it makes it impossible for you to understand what will happen in the future. I watch, I learn, I grow. You walk through life in a cloud of ignorance occasionally banging your head into reality and wondering what hit you. To each his own.
Can we all agree that Gary is an intentional liar and misdirector? He lives in the biggest glass house I;ve ever seen and projects nearly everything he sees in his "team" on to his "enemies". People like him are only for authority. He's clearly fine taking from Americans, too. He only want to be able to feel like he has some superiority..through race, or nationality, or whatever his current feelings are.
He lies like Trump. He lies just to lie.
The land along the Texas boarder is mostly owned by Republican voters. Eminent domain is fightin' words. Remember the Alamo!
Herewegoagain! wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
Eminent domain.
That answers my question. You do not realize what just happened here. That's always the problem because it makes it impossible for you to understand what will happen in the future. I watch, I learn, I grow. You walk through life in a cloud of ignorance occasionally banging your head into reality and wondering what hit you. To each his own.
Can we all agree that Gary is an intentional liar and misdirector? He lives in the biggest glass house I;ve ever seen and projects nearly everything he sees in his "team" on to his "enemies". People like him are only for authority. He's clearly fine taking from Americans, too. He only want to be able to feel like he has some superiority..through race, or nationality, or whatever his current feelings are.
He lies like Trump. He lies just to lie.
nailed it
also has world class knowledge in any subject: master of all fields of STEM, Ph.D. level environmental science and poli sci, JD scholar in Constitutional law, criminal justice, psychology (actually reads all minds at all times!) and great taste in music (disco-burn baby burn!)
DiscoGary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
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Oh I forgot you too are a victim, always a victim... you need to snap out of your weak loser mentality, realize you have it much better than most in this country and the world, and man up and work hard to get what you want in life. Did Obama stop you from doing that?
...
In fact he did. He used the IRS to suppress the formation of Tea Party groups. I am a victim of Obama's corruption and, yes, he did keep me from getting what I want in life. Glad you asked.
But in the Liberal Media Rat Maze, the villain can never be seen as a sympathetic victim, so you will never acknowledge this. You will think this is a good thing, and that is your weakness.
Ok so imagine you were really a victim of Obama’s wrath, and he was a good guy.. so now imagine now how many more tens of thousands of victims Trump is making with his policies and daily tweets. He created a couple thousand victims in a few months along the border alone... oh wait they are brown and don’t count right.
I felt a real sense of relief when you posted this earlier. I can now laugh and enjoy your posts going forward knowing the straight up lunacy behind it all, knowing there is nothing rational behind it all that I was somehow missing.
09876 wrote:
Herewegoagain! wrote:
Can we all agree that Gary is an intentional liar and misdirector? He lives in the biggest glass house I;ve ever seen and projects nearly everything he sees in his "team" on to his "enemies". People like him are only for authority. He's clearly fine taking from Americans, too. He only want to be able to feel like he has some superiority..through race, or nationality, or whatever his current feelings are.
He lies like Trump. He lies just to lie.
nailed it
also has world class knowledge in any subject: master of all fields of STEM, Ph.D. level environmental science and poli sci, JD scholar in Constitutional law, criminal justice, psychology (actually reads all minds at all times!) and great taste in music (disco-burn baby burn!)
All reading this thread - let it sink in that Gary called himself Obama’s victim, of course after claiming we are somehow pushing trump to behave like a dictator- he too is a victim. The evil left continues to destroy, Deep State forever!
Trollminator wrote:
09876 wrote:
nailed it
also has world class knowledge in any subject: master of all fields of STEM, Ph.D. level environmental science and poli sci, JD scholar in Constitutional law, criminal justice, psychology (actually reads all minds at all times!) and great taste in music (disco-burn baby burn!)
All reading this thread - let it sink in that Gary called himself Obama’s victim, of course after claiming we are somehow pushing trump to behave like a dictator- he too is a victim. The evil left continues to destroy, Deep State forever!
Add:
- Trump had to collude with Russia in order to defeat Hillary and the Deep state.
- Trump was forced to accept Russian mob money in order to fund his presidential campaign.
- Trump has to destroy trade with all nations in order to get the best deal possible on a future US-Russia trade deal.