_its_baddude wrote:
Here are some facts for the lunatics. DOJ and FBI senior officials are/were corrupt. Trump bringing the needed deodorant to politics. This will get worse.
Agreed. Sessions is 100% corrupt.
Disagree. Trump's deodorant smells like hooker pee.
Reasonable Republican wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
That’s an easy one. I already said I don’t disagree China has gotten an advantageous deal, so I am not against doing something different. In that regard I support the idea that Trump is trying something new. However, Bernie did not sell us on tariffs, this is right from his page:
“develop trade policies which demand that American corporations create jobs here, and not abroad.”
That is not even close to what Trump is doing. Trump is playing chicken with our economy and stock market, putting the whole system at risk when other more constructive options are on the table.
Btw - unlike you psycho trumpers, I don’t support every single thing my preferred candidate does. So even though I’m a Bernie supporter I disagree we should force US firms to keep jobs here. That’s a main problem with your kind - you aren’t not even single issue voters, you are simply for anything your orange god does because he sticks it to libs.
Haha dude literally 2 pages ago you were ripping Trump for putting $200 billion in additional tariffs on China. Now you you say you support the idea that he is trying something new with China. This is to funny!!
Actually a quick google search will tell you that Bernie absolutely promised to impose steel tariffs on China during his 2016 campaign. He also did not support the TPP and wanted to restructure NAFTA (sound familiar). So yes Trump and Bernie are very similar on Trade. So either you are a very uninformed voter or you are all of a sudden against these positions because Trump is doing them but don't want to directly admit that.
What more constructive options? it would be nice if you guys brought ideas to the table rather than just complaining about everything the guy does and making vague references to more "constructive options"?
And you disagree with everything Trump does whats the difference? Prove me wrong and name 5 positive things he's done.
I look forward to your response.
POTD
It's a different standard for Hillary and Democrats. The whole thing is a sham.
IG HOROWITZ DROPS BOMBSHELL DURING SENATE TESTIMONY:
“Nobody was listed as a subject of this [Clinton email] investigation at any point in time,” adding this was “surprising”
I'll translate the story for you in clear language. * The NYT is digging for dirt on all Trumpers. * They find he held stock in a company associated with Russia. * They contact him. * He claims he was not aware of the stock. * He sells the stock. * The entire transaction took a few days. * The NYT claims he is unethical because they told him about the stock and they were going to write a bad Russia story and he sold the stock with non public information. They NYT can not verify if he made money or not. Mr. Ross’s office denied any impropriety, saying he disclosed the sale to the government ethics office, which “certified that the transactions documented are in compliance with federal ethics requirements.”
agip wrote:
grifters gonna grift
trumpers gonna trump
fish rots from the head
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/us/politics/wilbur-ross-shorted-stock.html
More infallible "Fact Checkers."
_its_baddude wrote:
More infallible "Fact Checkers."
Fact check this:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ef483254e7f0fa8f651d417a4f128ce92040f24751d00f7b7b6e3a423253648.jpgFact check this:
Patience grasshopper. I do not lie. The truth will come out. Mueller is coming. The clown is done.
_its_baddude wrote:
Dude, you are lying. Where is your proof? On the other hand there is plenty of proof about FBI, DOJ and past Administration's senior officials lying.
Fake news.
I have news for you. You sound like a lunatic.
Flagpole wrote:
The back and forth with Tumpers remains ridiculous, as if there is any equivalency with other Administrations.
Pretty sure none of the Trumpers will answer this question, but do you really think Donald Trump is innocent of all the things that he's facing? Those things include money laundering, obstruction of justice, collusion (in the form of conspiracy and/or bribery) with Russia and maybe other countries, bank fraud, wire fraud, emoluments clause violation, campaign finance violation...and more.
Do you really think he's innocent of all of those things? If not, then why do you support him?
And then when you look at the man personally there isn't one redeeming quality about him. He's a sexist, he's a misogynist, he's racist, he's a serial liar, he praises dictators who have killed their own people and political opponents. He has made comments about perhaps not having elections anymore. He says people should sit up at attention when he speaks like they do in North Korea for their leader. His behavior is beyond ridiculous. It is insane that some of you people support him, absolutely insane.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Indeedhttps://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/michael-cohen-criminal-lawyer-guy-petrillo/index.html
Flagpole wrote:
Patience grasshopper. I do not lie. The truth will come out.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
_its_baddude wrote:
Waaaaaaaaa . . .
Agreed wrote:
PIO! wrote:
So, you think that things like "money laundering, obstruction of justice, collusion (in the form of conspiracy and/or bribery) with Russia and maybe other countries, bank fraud, wire fraud, emoluments clause violation, campaign finance violation" are merely talking points and that the list of such talking points should change weekly in order to keep it interesting for you?
You appear to be a really deep thinker.
Are you saying Trump will be found guilty of all those things?
Yes. He may plea bargain some away or be pardoned (accepting a pardon means admitting guilt), and he may escape a more minor charge, but basically yes, he will be found to have violated all of those rules and laws.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Hmmm. Imbedly error.
Trump's personal attorney is 'willing to give info' about the President
Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has signaled to friends that he is "willing to give" investigators information on the President if that's what they are looking for, and is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors.
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Indeed! wrote:
Hmmm. Imbedly error.
Trump's personal attorney is 'willing to give info' about the President
Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has signaled to friends that he is "willing to give" investigators information on the President if that's what they are looking for, and is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors.
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Over at the WSJ: Cohen has "frequently" complained that the mounting costs of his legal fees are "bankrupting" him, according to one source, and that he is frustrated that the president, whom he feels owes Cohen for years service, hasn't offered to cover the fees.
I find it very hard to believe he's out of cash... unless the "consulting" money he banked went up his nose.
The Trump cold shoulder might be enough to flip Cohen.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Indeed! wrote:
Hmmm. Imbedly error.
Trump's personal attorney is 'willing to give info' about the President
Donald Trump's personal attorney Michael Cohen has signaled to friends that he is "willing to give" investigators information on the President if that's what they are looking for, and is planning on hiring a new lawyer to handle a possible indictment from federal prosecutors.
...
Over at the WSJ: Cohen has "frequently" complained that the mounting costs of his legal fees are "bankrupting" him, according to one source, and that he is frustrated that the president, whom he feels owes Cohen for years service, hasn't offered to cover the fees.
I find it very hard to believe he's out of cash... unless the "consulting" money he banked went up his nose.
The Trump cold shoulder might be enough to flip Cohen.
The cold shoulder will be enough. Trump’s idea of loyalty is one way. Cohen deserves to get squashed, especially if he withholds information.
It is appearing more and more that Trump is going to allow the family separation crisis he caused to continue. He is applying the same tactic as with DACA, using his powers to kill off something the democrats care about in order to dangle it in front of them in exchange for a deal. In this case, he is demanding funding for the wall, otherwise he will claim it’s the Democrats who are letting those poor children get separated.
Democrats need to hold firm on this one, since it is clearly an issue caused by Trump - they need to let that crisis sink in and accountability remain with Trump. There is no other way to deal with someone who has no ethical boundaries. Trump is the biggest scumbag of all time, gladly triggering and promoting a human rights crisis for political gain. So far his base is happy with the move, which confirms what I have long thought about the perverseness of many conservatives. I say leave this one in the pressure cooker to blow up. Trump can keep his base, their support for this tactic is proof they cannot be swayed and are totally fine with human rights abuses as long as they can stick it to libs. The blood is on their hands only.
The effects of DDT are well documented. Its use has been allowed in some areas for decades. It is a first generation pesticide and since then they have developed other pesticides that are highly effective but less persistent.
https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/ddt-brief-history-and-status
Don't let liars and idiot propagandists fool you.
agip wrote:
huh? Obama set up the TPP as an organization to counter the economic force of China. Exactly, exactly for this reason. It was jsut getting going when Trump pulled us out of it. Obama did all the work but Rump wrecked it, out of spite, before it could be used to push back against China.
as for your second point, I don't disagree with Trump on everything. I am a moderate - generally pro-business, anti-deficit, strong dollar, pro trade. I'm a democrat because I think the gummint has a role to regulate the economy and help poor people. And I don't think religion should be worn on your sleeve when you are in elected service.
Joining TPP would have also eliminated those big bad Canadian tariffs Trump likes to talk about.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
I find it very hard to believe he's [Cohen] out of cash... unless the "consulting" money he banked went up his nose.
The Trump cold shoulder might be enough to flip Cohen.
I wonder if the bank accounts of Essential Consulting have been frozen during this investigation.
If he is potentially being charged with money laundering through that business, he wouldn't be able to touch that money.
Commonsense and knowledge wrote:
The effects of DDT are well documented. Its use has been allowed in some areas for decades. It is a first generation pesticide and since then they have developed other pesticides that are highly effective but less persistent.
https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/ddt-brief-history-and-statusDon't let liars and idiot propagandists fool you.
Just like when all of Europe was assured those stubborn Jews were safe in labor camps. If you don’t want journalists to do their jobs then you don’t like holding people accountable.
L L wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
I find it very hard to believe he's [Cohen] out of cash... unless the "consulting" money he banked went up his nose.
The Trump cold shoulder might be enough to flip Cohen.
I wonder if the bank accounts of Essential Consulting have been frozen during this investigation.
If he is potentially being charged with money laundering through that business, he wouldn't be able to touch that money.
It’s easy to burn through cash quickly, especially in NYC. I personally don’t care what his excuse for fessing up is.
_its_baddude wrote:
I'm confused. Who are you talking about when you say
money laundering, obstruction of justice, collusion (in the form of conspiracy and/or bribery) with Russia and maybe other countries, bank fraud, wire fraud, emoluments clause violation, campaign finance violation
Manafort has been indicted on money laundering, obstruction of justice (witness tampering), and band fraud. There are transactions related to Trump properties which are suggestive of money laundering involving Russian parties.
There are multiple pending lawsuits regarding emoluments most notably the DC / Maryland case which has passed a number of hurdles so far.
There are pending cases regarding potential Trump campaign finance violations, most visibly the Stormy Daniels thing.
