trump......truly a fool.
Dude calls the Georgia Secretary of State after the election and asks to find 11,800 votes, then sends fake electors for the Georgia tally. Both clearly illegal.
Guilty as hell.
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EL EL wrote:
This is the important one wrote:
1. Conspiracy to defraud the United States
2. Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding
3. Obstruction or attempt to obstruct an official proceeding
4. Conspiracy against rights
I wanted to remind people that this thread is actually about a totally different set of criminal indictments Trump has been charged with than the Georgia election fraud conspiracy that is being discussed today.
This thread is about how Trump tried to stop the January 6 procedure of finalizing the election of Biden.
Today’s activities are how Trump tried to fraudulently steal Georgia from Biden before January 6.
Not to be confused with Trump being criminally charged with mishandling classified documents in Florida.
Also not to be confused with Trump being criminally charged with financial crimes in New York.
Well said. So far, no argument to refute any of the charges, just deflection.
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the loser trump gets caught wearing fully loaded diaper
the loser trump gets caught lying about his height and weight
business as usual
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Nnonequals wrote:
Let's see.....if you could wake them up, they would.....be disgusted by Trumpism, or......believe adolt about ANYTHING? Hmmmm.....?
Sociologically and psychologically, it really is interesting. I want a strongman who will tear a democracy apart, but I NEED to tell myself that I'm a patriot, and I love the constitution, and I care DEEPLY about law and order, and I fly a big flag and wear a flag hat, and, and....
Of course, that's just your run-of-the-mill Trumper. Most of them, I think, still manage to be decent human beings, day-to-day.
And there, they leave you in the dust.
Trump was a private citizen who entered politics as anti-establishment candidate.
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This will backfire on the dems.
Trump 2024
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
This will backfire on the dems.
Trump 2024
This is how low the GOP has sunk. You're base is as strong as ever, but there isn't a single new vote to be had when the highlight of your reelection campaign is you trying to look tough for a mugshot.
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
This will backfire on the dems.
Trump 2024
I keep telling you guys this Ghost of Disco Gary, but none of you listen. It's like you can't compute it. There is no way Biden can lose in 2024. If Biden finds that he is behind after election night, the Biden campaign will hand their pre-drafted alternate elector certificates to Kamala Harris on January 6, 2025 and she will count the ones she thinks are valid. There is precedent for this. The 2024 election is a done deal.
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Was Stephen Lee going to try to skip the country? What was keeping him from turning himself in?
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45877 wrote:
trump......truly a fool.
Dude calls the Georgia Secretary of State after the election and asks to find 11,800 votes, then sends fake electors for the Georgia tally. Both clearly illegal.
Guilty as hell.
The gambit here was and is to make this sort of behavior-- ruthlessly exploiting shortcomings and ambiguities in the Constitution that only custom and precedent have prevented leaders from taking advantage of in the past-- a normal part of US politics.
But to succeed, Trump's ploy counted on certain level of cynicism on the part of the electorate as regards the existence of a truly independent judiciary in the country. No one knows if anyone but Trump actually believed that the judiciary was not, when push came to shove, truly independent, but everyone involved in this thing believed that the way out for Trump, should the thing fail, was a belief among the general public that no attempt to hold him and his accomplices to account could ever be free of direct political manipulation-- that, from now on, everything, including the protection of the Constitution from cynical subversion, was hopelessly compromised by partisan politics.
So far, and to the credit of the majority of Americans, Trump and Co's gambit has failed. There is no widespread willingness to give up completely on the possibility of an independent judiciary. I think this is because the judiciary still depends in large part on the participation of ordinary Americans, through the jury system. Americans themselves still don't believe that their fellow citizens are so thoroughly captive of partisan politics that they can't, when having been sworn in by oath to behave with honestly and integrity, act purely out of principle.
Trump and Co. should have seen this coming when some of his own appointees to the judicial bench dismissed his lawsuits in late 2020. These people, avowed conservative jurists all, clearly put professional integrity and reputation ahead of fealty to any one conservative leader.
Trumpism is defined by an assault on the possibility of an independently verifiable shared reality. Americans' continued belief in the possibility of an independent judiciary capable of sifting truth from fiction is thus biggest and most important repudiation of Trumpism. If this believe ever dims completely, the US's long experiment in liberal democracy is effectively over.
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Henceforth he shall now be referred to as Inmate No. P01135809.
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Donald Trump seemingly transferred Mar A Lago estate to his son before his arrest (msn.com)
So if inmate No. P01135809 isn't the owner, he should no longer be allowed to stay there. His crap flawed logic that somehow got him residence is no longer valid. Adios, bioootch.
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get the loser out wrote:
Donald Trump seemingly transferred Mar A Lago estate to his son before his arrest (msn.com)
So if inmate No. P01135809 isn't the owner, he should no longer be allowed to stay there. His crap flawed logic that somehow got him residence is no longer valid. Adios, bioootch.
So being the owner of a property isn't a valid reason to be able to live on it?
"Never go full retard."
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Commode flusher wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
This will backfire on the dems.
Trump 2024
I keep telling you guys this Ghost of Disco Gary, but none of you listen. It's like you can't compute it. There is no way Biden can lose in 2024. If Biden finds that he is behind after election night, the Biden campaign will hand their pre-drafted alternate elector certificates to Kamala Harris on January 6, 2025 and she will count the ones she thinks are valid. There is precedent for this. The 2024 election is a done deal.
I don't understand why trump supporters don't seem to get this. Or..is there argument that it's only illegal when Democrats do it?
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I know, I know, their*
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floppy wrote:
Commode flusher wrote:
I keep telling you guys this Ghost of Disco Gary, but none of you listen. It's like you can't compute it. There is no way Biden can lose in 2024. If Biden finds that he is behind after election night, the Biden campaign will hand their pre-drafted alternate elector certificates to Kamala Harris on January 6, 2025 and she will count the ones she thinks are valid. There is precedent for this. The 2024 election is a done deal.
I don't understand why trump supporters don't seem to get this. Or..is there argument that it's only illegal when Democrats do it?
You still don't understand that the vote is returned to the states. Pence wouldn't just have declared victory the election would have gone to the courts.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
You still don't understand that the vote is returned to the states. Pence wouldn't just have declared victory the election would have gone to the courts.
....illegal.....
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qqqwwerty wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
You still don't understand that the vote is returned to the states. Pence wouldn't just have declared victory the election would have gone to the courts.
....illegal.....
If it was "illegal" they wouldn't have rewritten the law after January 6th to prevent it from happening again.
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More bad news for Inmate No. P01135808.
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Commode flusher wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
This will backfire on the dems.
Trump 2024
I keep telling you guys this Ghost of Disco Gary, but none of you listen. It's like you can't compute it. There is no way Biden can lose in 2024. If Biden finds that he is behind after election night, the Biden campaign will hand their pre-drafted alternate elector certificates to Kamala Harris on January 6, 2025 and she will count the ones she thinks are valid. There is precedent for this. The 2024 election is a done deal.
Let's see if you stick around when Biden loses or drops out.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
get the loser out wrote:
Donald Trump seemingly transferred Mar A Lago estate to his son before his arrest (msn.com)
So if inmate No. P01135809 isn't the owner, he should no longer be allowed to stay there. His crap flawed logic that somehow got him residence is no longer valid. Adios, bioootch.
So being the owner of a property isn't a valid reason to be able to live on it?
"Never go full retard."
You should listen to your own advice.
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