Wisconsin is a very good public institution. They are ranked 12th by US News. Ranked 4th is Michigan who managed to win both the men's and women's Big Ten titles in XC. Florida is ranked 9th and they just won the NCAA indoor title. Maybe it is easier to get good runners to attend top public academic institutions.
Up until now there have been little to no personal attacks on this thread and the treatment of Gessner is getting borderline to that. This thread is about the programs and any posts about the individuals should be constructive and not nonsense that doesn't further the thread.
Now that indoor season is officially over can we get some rankings (with explanations) from informed people of ALL teams going into outdoor season?
*drinking legend
It's ok, I'm sure he didn't mean to take stabs at those people. Unless it was Joe Hardy
cut this out wrote:
Up until now there have been little to no personal attacks on this thread and the treatment of Gessner is getting borderline to that. This thread is about the programs and any posts about the individuals should be constructive and not nonsense that doesn't further the thread.
Now that indoor season is officially over can we get some rankings (with explanations) from informed people of ALL teams going into outdoor season?
I second this
Rankings wrote:
cut this out wrote:
Up until now there have been little to no personal attacks on this thread and the treatment of Gessner is getting borderline to that. This thread is about the programs and any posts about the individuals should be constructive and not nonsense that doesn't further the thread.
Now that indoor season is officially over can we get some rankings (with explanations) from informed people of ALL teams going into outdoor season?
I second this
Nothing wrong with criticizing runners and coaches, especially if it is true. You think it doesn't happen in college basketball. Watch ESPN,
Its pretty hard for me and many people on this thread to sympathize with a kid who acts the way Finn acts. Yelling at referees at state, running backwards down the homestretch at state qualifying meets, wearing sunglasses on a shaded evening for the 3200, his social media bravado, and yeah he is a pot head drunk too.
That kind of behavior was a little cute at first, but he isn't Matt Centrowitz or Odell Beckham Jr., he's not good enough to act this way. Now that he's racing like crap, it's kind of hard to feel bad for him.
The_Truth_Guy wrote:
Predictor wrote:
This site would cease to exist if we were all required to be blue chip high schoolers. The old saying is that the best athletes make the worst coaches. So it doesn't take an elite runner to be able to analyze and comment on how other runners are performing.
Hmmm. Ever heard of Chris Solinsky? Or Jerry Schumacher? Or Tim Hacker? Or Matt Esche? Or Cathy Branta? Or Cindy Bremser? Also this site is basically a magnet for losers in their mom's basement....
Get a life and quit picking on 19 year olds who have more going for them at their young age than you have ever had in your dismal life. As for Fins running career give it time he's adjusting like many freshmen do thank you.
Only one person you listed turned into a great coach. Or are we talking about just in the Wisconsin bubble? And how many freshman can you count that have adjusted well being drunk 6.5 nights a week? You're right - he does have a lot going for him...that's why it's a shame if it's wasted...
Does anyone have any insight into what the recruiting classes on the Wisconsin schools looks like right now?
Board of Regents wrote:
We can go that route wrote:
The Badger arrogance never ceases to amaze me. Do you have any idea how many people you disrespected with that post? Proof that Badgers look down upon the rest of us.
The University of Wisconsin maintains a highly selective admission process and rigorous academic cycle. It is not arrogance as you suggest. Whereas the other schools in-state may reward students with short term memorization catered exams (where youre taught the answers not how to obtain the answers) and brownie points for basic attendance UW-Madison does in fact pride itself in demanding much more from its student body. An intro course at Madison may in fact be more difficult than upper level courses at smaller in state institutions (including Marquette) in the same subject area. Why? Because the student body represents the best of the best (of the best).
The University of Wisconsin is the highest level academic institution in Wisconsin. Top of the heirarchy and symbolically hoists the state flag to the rest of the country. There is not an argument here. It is the truth. So when you can run a mile in Badger shoes (eliminating 99.9% of posters here) you can hurl armchair comments critiquing the progress of others in said positions. For the record, I dont even think you could ride a bike in 8:47.
You dare to put Marquette on the same level as UW-Stout? LOL
The Starved Elephant wrote:
You dare to put Marquette on the same level as UW-Stout? LOL
Marquette is a status reinforcement display of corporate daddy money. That's about it. I cant think of one thing that Marquette offers to undergrads that UWM doesnt for $13k cheaper or more per year.
Marquette is garbage wrote:
The Starved Elephant wrote:
You dare to put Marquette on the same level as UW-Stout? LOL
Marquette is a status reinforcement display of corporate daddy money. That's about it. I cant think of one thing that Marquette offers to undergrads that UWM doesnt for $13k cheaper or more per year.
Ask Dwyane Wade.
How about being educated in a Catholic environment.
Board of Regents wrote:
We can go that route wrote:
The Badger arrogance never ceases to amaze me. Do you have any idea how many people you disrespected with that post? Proof that Badgers look down upon the rest of us.
The University of Wisconsin maintains a highly selective admission process and rigorous academic cycle. It is not arrogance as you suggest. Whereas the other schools in-state may reward students with short term memorization catered exams (where youre taught the answers not how to obtain the answers) and brownie points for basic attendance UW-Madison does in fact pride itself in demanding much more from its student body. An intro course at Madison may in fact be more difficult than upper level courses at smaller in state institutions (including Marquette) in the same subject area. Why? Because the student body represents the best of the best (of the best).
The University of Wisconsin is the highest level academic institution in Wisconsin. Top of the heirarchy and symbolically hoists the state flag to the rest of the country. There is not an argument here. It is the truth. So when you can run a mile in Badger shoes (eliminating 99.9% of posters here) you can hurl armchair comments critiquing the progress of others in said positions. For the record, I dont even think you could ride a bike in 8:47.
Say what you will about the national school rankings, nobody will deny that wisco is a good school. However, there are plenty of dim light bulbs on the Wisconsin track team. So don’t make it out to sound like everyone at Wisco is a high achiever. Also, as a side note, I’d love you know your PR’s, I highly doubt you ever broke 17:00 for 5k. Feel free to link your tfrrs page.
This is comical.
Madison is a good school, but to assume that the work load is head and shoulders above the other UW schools is arrogance to the extreme.
I've been at three different Universities, and I can say the most prestigious are most definitely not guaranteed to be the most rigorous.
ha lol wrote:
This is comical.
Madison is a good school, but to assume that the work load is head and shoulders above the other UW schools is arrogance to the extreme.
I've been at three different Universities, and I can say the most prestigious are most definitely not guaranteed to be the most rigorous.
To assume it is head and shoulders above the rest is actually quite natural. Marquette is a decent community college but with better amenities.
Legit Academic Rankings:
1. UW-Madison
2. UW-LaX (Where MadTown wait listers go)
3. UW-Eau Claire (underrated school)
4. UWM (Architecture, Business, Engineering)
4. UW-Platteville (Engineering)
6. MSOE (Engineering)
6. UW-Oshkosh
6. Marquette (Business, Law)
9. UW-Stevens Point
10. UW-Whitewater (Business)
haha wrote:
ha lol wrote:
This is comical.
Madison is a good school, but to assume that the work load is head and shoulders above the other UW schools is arrogance to the extreme.
I've been at three different Universities, and I can say the most prestigious are most definitely not guaranteed to be the most rigorous.
To assume it is head and shoulders above the rest is actually quite natural. Marquette is a decent community college but with better amenities.
Legit Academic Rankings:
1. UW-Madison
2. UW-LaX (Where MadTown wait listers go)
3. UW-Eau Claire (underrated school)
4. UWM (Architecture, Business, Engineering)
4. UW-Platteville (Engineering)
6. MSOE (Engineering)
6. UW-Oshkosh
6. Marquette (Business, Law)
9. UW-Stevens Point
10. UW-Whitewater (Business)
Rankings are great. Cool.
But to assume all the students at Madison are working harder? Bit much.
To assume all student-athletes at Madison are working harder? ha lol
US News and Works Report ranks WI colleges as:
MSOE
WI Lutheran
Lacrosse
Superior
Eau Claire
Carroll
Madison
Concordia
Alverno
Stevens Point
Maranatha
Lawrence
Whitewater
Stout
Oshkosh
Beloit
Marquette
I didn’t dig deeper but was very surprised. On the East coast, we only heard about Marquette and Wisconsin Madison.
The web page below enumerates incorrectly as it orders the rankings by their "advertised ranking" even though they are in different contexts:
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/wi
For instance, they arrive at Wisconsin-Madison being ranked #46 nationwide and lower in the Wisconsin rankings than #38 MW regional university Carroll College. Re-read that sentence and look back again at the web page to grasp that.
I feel the results are skewed in other places too. There is no way UW-Superior should be in the same general range as UW-La Crosse and UW-Eau Claire. I thought I read somewhere that UW-Superior nearly closed down and had to do serious budgeting to keep their doors open. I will not try to sell UW-Milwaukee as a premier university but their Business School, Architecture and Engineering & Mathematical Sciences programs are pretty competitive. Not a place to go for liberal arts (sorry!) and expect to be hired for a standard salaried job. Marquette has good nursing, business and law. MSOE has a number of majors with applicability to the real world and I suspect their post graduation hiring rates are quite competitive. The only problem is that the best rising stars out of MSOE end up in Chicago and not back in Milwaukee.
People might retract what they're saying about Marquette soon. A majority of their best runners went on spring break and drank all week. Also not very Catholic if you ask me. They just don't take it seriously and it will show in their performances.
What would Jesus do?