Certainly more deeper.
Certainly more deeper.
Looks like Haverford won their region though Schillit did not run.....any idea what's up there.....?
Calvin wins GL with 36. Kramer and Vanderoest run but don't look like top 10 runners. With a minute spread I think Calvin is out of title contention unless they pull out something crazy like at Oshkosh.
1
Jones, William
SR-4
Franciscan (Ohio)
4:54
24:26.16
1
2
Kerr, Dan
SR-4
Calvin
4:55
24:27.35
2
3
Muller, Caleb
SR-4
Marietta
4:58
24:45.25
3
4
Kramer, Nick
SR-4
Calvin
4:59
24:49.24
4
5
Droddy, Noah
SR-4
DePauw
5:01
24:58.29
5
6
Christiansen, Job
SR-4
Calvin
5:04
25:13.14
6
7
Deng , Abram
SR-4
Spalding
5:06
25:21.64
7
8
Nordman, Curtis
JR-3
Manchester
5:06
25:22.58
8
9
Kelly, Chris
JR-3
Case Western
5:06
25:23.66
9
10
Hoerbert, Shane
SO-2
Wabash
5:06
25:24.45
10
11
Vande Bunte, David
SR-4
Calvin
5:07
25:26.64
11
12
Lewis, Paul
JR-3
Albion
5:07
25:28.40
12
13
Vander Roest, Matt
SR-4
Calvin
5:07
25:29.39
13
Anybody have a central region update?
Did Oshkosh spontaneously collapse into a black hole? I can't find a word on what happened and the race has been over for an hour.
Wintheiser and St. Olaf win the central region, Central College is second. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Dutch have been to nationals for 20+ years.
Not official but l heard ncc for the win over uw lax but that's all I got.
Midwest Results:
Men's West results:
1 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 34 1 2 5 7 19 21 35
2 Pomona-Pitzer 68 4 8 9 15 32 40 83
3 La Verne 93 12 13 18 23 27 49 56
4 Willamette 166 6 29 39 45 47 50 54
5 Whittier 204 25 30 36 55 58 72 73
6 Lewis & Clark 204 22 24 37 46 75 80 94
CMS + PP are autos. Will La Verne get in by scoring under 100? after a 7-8th place region rating all season, beating Willamette, I wonder if they'll qualify.
That joke wasn't clever the first hundred times I saw it when I first went on this board seven years ago. I have no connection to St. Olaf other than that I graduated from another school in the MIAC before most of you were born. While looking in horror at the dismal performances of my old school's team, I noticed this kid is kind of impressive considering how much he's improving.My point is that if he keeps improving like he has been, just maybe the 14 second gap between Tim Nelson and GrantWintheiser at Griak might shrink at nationals. Even if it doesn't shrink, if Grant can keep within 25 seconds of Nelson, I'd say there's at least some chance for top 3.I didn't see it but I'm guessing he won Regionals easily enough. We'll see what happens.
hey what you doin wrote:
Grant, you've had some great races this year, Although I think the Griak and Miac were a little down this year, I understand though that you would imagine yourself a top 3 guy, but I think nationals will be a bit deeper than the griak and certianly more deeper than Lacrosse.
Women's Team Qualifiers
Autos
CMS
Lewis and Clark
Trinity
Emory
Eau Claire
Chicago
Hopkins
Haverford
St Lawrence
SUNY G
MIT
Williams
Hope
Oberlin
Wartburg
St Olaf
Safe Ins
Middlebury
Calvin
NYU
Dickenson
Carnegie Melon
Tougher Choices - But Likely In
Luther
Williamette
Bates
Amherst
Rowan
Illinois Wesleyan
Last Ins
Oshkosh
Gustavus Adolphus
Carlton
Kenyon
Lacrosse
First Out
Case Western
Occidental
Centre
Only speclative, but based on history/rankings/previous meets, I think the bids/rankings for men will look something like this (feel free to make any suggestions you see fit):
Men’s Nationals Qualifiers (speculative)
(seed) (team) (pre-regional ranking)
1. Haverford 1
2. Calvin 2
3. NCC 3
4. La crosse 6
5. Midd 8
6. NYU 12
7. Wash U 9
8. Bowdoin 14
9. Geneseo 4
10. Bates 11
11. CMS 10
12. Williams 17
13. Tufts 5
14. Wheaton (Ill) 13
15. Eau Calire 7
16. Cortland 16
17. CMU 20
18. Rochester 30
19. Hopkins 25
20. Dickinson 23
21. Allegheny 19
22. St. Lawrence 24
23. St Olaf 29
24. Wabash 27
25. Central 22
26. Case 33
27. Pomona Pitzer (36)
28. La Verne
29. Willamette 28
30. Lynchburg
31. Luther
32. Trinity (Texas)
aoitwej wrote:
Can anybody think of any scenario besides a fall or getting sick the week of where Tim Nelson does not win nationals? Can he run in the 23:30 range?
William Jones looks good and has run in the 23:30 range. Could be a few runners up there contending.
What would be everyone's guesses for the women's rankings with regionals finished?
OnPoint wrote:
Only speclative, but based on history/rankings/previous meets, I think the bids/rankings for men will look something like this (feel free to make any suggestions you see fit):
Men’s Nationals Qualifiers (speculative)
(seed) (team) (pre-regional ranking)
1. Haverford 1
2. Calvin 2
3. NCC 3
4. La crosse 6
5. Midd 8
6. NYU 12
7. Wash U 9
8. Bowdoin 14
9. Geneseo 4
10. Bates 11
11. CMS 10
12. Williams 17
13. Tufts 5
14. Wheaton (Ill) 13
15. Eau Calire 7
16. Cortland 16
17. CMU 20
18. Rochester 30
19. Hopkins 25
20. Dickinson 23
21. Allegheny 19
22. St. Lawrence 24
23. St Olaf 29
24. Wabash 27
25. Central 22
26. Case 33
27. Pomona Pitzer (36)
28. La Verne
29. Willamette 28
30. Lynchburg
31. Luther
32. Trinity (Texas)
Johns Hopkins has to be in there somewhere, they beat Dickinson and Allegheny
Autos
Atlantic:
NYU
Geneseo
Central:
St. Olaf
Central College
Great Lakes:
Calvin
Wabash
Mideast:
Haverford
Carnegie Melon
Midwest:
North Central
Wis. La Crosse
New England:
Middlebury
Bowdoin
South:
Lynchburg
Trinty
West:
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
Pomona-Pitzer
Bids:
Cortland-A
Rochester-A
St. Lawrence-A
Luther-C
St. John's-C
Case Western-GL
Johns Hopkins-ME
Dickinson-ME
Allegheny-ME
Washington U-MW
Wheaton-MW
Wis. Eau Claire-MW
Bates-NE
Williams-NE
Tufts-NE
La Verne-W
This is what I'm thinking it's going to be. Any glaring omissions?
Calvin Runs Kramer wrote:
Calvin wins GL with 36. Kramer and Vanderoest run but don't look like top 10 runners. With a minute spread I think Calvin is out of title contention unless they pull out something crazy like at Oshkosh.
I think this depends on just how good Kerr and Williams Jones are. A 48 second spread between the 1 and 4 guy isn't good and they'll need to close that up, but sometimes in a xc race the top couple guys will break away early and end up running a very different race going out hard while the chase pack runs more tactically, so the gap between the top guys and the rest of the field is larger than it normally might be. And if Kerr and William Jones are contending for the win, which they very well could be, that makes a 62 second spread less concerning.
So in sum, i think that didn't look a great race from Calvin, but I wouldn't say they are out of contention. North Central and Haverford didn't have great 1-5 spreads either, and Haverford hasn't had Schillit in their last two races, which hurts them a lot. I think North Central looked the best at their regional meet and should be the favorite going in to Nationals, even if they aren't ranked #1.
Official Selection
1. Bowdoin College
2. Allegheny College
3. Calvin College
4. Bates College
5. Carnegie Mellon University
6. Case Western Reserve University
7. Central College (Iowa)
8. Dickinson College
9. Claremont McKenna-Harvey Mudd-Scripps Colleges
10. Johns Hopkins University
11. Haverford College
12. University of La Verne
13. Lynchburg College
14. Luther College
15. Middlebury College
16. Manchester University
17. New York University
18. University of Rochester
19. North Central College
20. St. Lawrence University
21. Pomona-Pitzer Colleges
22. State University of New York at Cortland
23. St. Olaf College
24. Tufts University
25. State University of New York at Geneseo
26. Washington University in St. Louis
27. Trinity University (Texas)
28. Wheaton College (Illinois)
29. Wabash College
30. Williams College
31. University of Wisconsin, La Crosse
32. University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire
I had St. Lawrence instead of Machester. Not bad guessing. It will be a lot harder to guess if they ever remove the 5 team cap.
I find it hard to believe that a team (Claremont, CA) who just averaged under 25:00 per scoring runner is only ranked 9th in D3. Was the course short or something?