Course Records??? wrote:
Anyone know what the course record on the course is (individual and team?) Will it go down? Doing a little digging the fastest times seemed to come from 2007. Based on those times sub 24 should be possible in 2011.
Individual Results
Place Name Year School Time Pace
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1 Brian Butzler Sr. University of Wiscons 24:01.71 4:51
2 Ryan Williams Sr. NYU 24:10.04 4:52
3 Ian Ramsey-North Sr. Haverford College 24:12.29 4:53
4 Donald Letts Sr. Haverford College 24:15.34 4:53
5 Jesse Schneider Jr. NYU 24:16.48 4:53
6 Hany Abdallah Sr. NYU 24:20.63 4:54
7 Chris Guerriero Jr. The College of New Je 24:33.32 4:57
8 Brandon Mull Jr. Wheaton College 24:35.40 4:57
9 Paul Brown 24:35.91 4:57
10 Ryan Carrigan So. North Central College 24:36.26 4:57
What about the team times:
1. 68 New York Univ. ( 24:38 2:03:06)
2. 71 Haverford College ( 24:41 2:03:25)
Can any OshKosh people confirm these are the fastest individual and team times?
Notably, those ended up being the 1-2 teams at nationals, in that order, by a not too dissimilar percentage margin--a slightly different race by a couple of guys on either team would have flipped it.
The point being, those Haverford/NYU times may be a really good indicator of what we're going to see at nationals this year, probably a couple of guys under 24:00, the top couple of teams needing to have a couple of guys around 24:15.
Further note, Haverford and NYU both got a little bit stronger after that race too--Haverford notoriously peaks late, and Hany turned into a FORCE after that race, he was like 6th at nationals, versus 6th at Oshkosh, and handily beat Haverford's top two. So maybe NYU's 24:38 and Haverford's 24:41 translate by the end of the season to something more like NCC's 24:32.
So a winning team looks either like NCC's with a pack of five guys between 24:20 and 24:40, or like the '07 teams with say 2 guys at 24:00, 1 or 2 at 24:30, and 1 or 2 at 25:00. That doesn't say a whole lot, but that's a hell of a lot faster winning team times than in '07 when NYU won with around 25:00 avg. versus the 24:38 at Oshkosh.