Keep telling yourself its just as hard to get into Geneseo as it is to get into UR, NYU, Hamilton, hell even Ithaca. Geneseo athletics gets admissions slots as well. As a few people already have said, its what you do with the talent. Berube was a 9:0X guy I believe, which means he should be running 1440's at worst by now.
rfrdengnos wrote:
Keep telling yourself its just as hard to get into Geneseo as it is to get into UR, NYU, Hamilton, hell even Ithaca. Geneseo athletics gets admissions slots as well. As a few people already have said, its what you do with the talent. Berube was a 9:0X guy I believe, which means he should be running 1440's at worst by now.
From what I understand, Geneseo pads their numbers. Only fall numbers are counted toward official statistics. While I am sure they use athletic slots (like many other schools), most of the students who get in with lower high school grades are accepted for admission in the spring semester.
I'm pretty certain that Geneseo no longer has those "athletic slots". They were taken away this academic year from all the athletic teams, not just XC/TF.
And Geneseo has really, really low transfer GPA standards, so they can get nearly anyone they want if they choose to transfer. And when I say low, I mean in the 2.25 range.
And UR requires a SAT score higher than 1340 to even be considered for their incoming class. If you have 1330 or lower, don't even bother applying. This may be different for football, but for everyone else, it's true.
Forget "average" teams. Compare Geneseo's NCAA success with the best teams in the AR. They come out at or near the top any way you slice it.
FYI - Lee Berube WAS iron deficient through the first half of last year. He also was the fastest freshmen in the AR in the 5k (15:03) at the end of the year. Not bad considering his iron problem.
Just a few other facts (which seem to be in short supply when discussing a program's worth from the OUTSIDE):
1. "Poorly Coached" Geneseo wins the SUNYAC Outdoor Championship on the strength of their distance team. 5 Distance Events:
Geneseo 74 pts, Cortland 44 pts, Fredonia 42 pts
2. "Poorly Coached" Geneseo has 4 guys sub 32 in the 10k/5 guys sub 15:20 in the 5K/6 guys sub 2min in the 800/2 guys sub 4 in the 15/4 guys sub 9:40 in the steeple.
Look it up and then tell me that my school is underachieving.
why all the hate in this thread? its getting ridiculous....
all the schools that have been mentioned are very very good schools. anyone who says geneseo isn't difficult to get into is kidding themselves. it's just as good as nyu, hamilton, ur, st. lawrence, etc...
a lot of this thread has just been speculation and vagueness. if you want your post to be taken seriously then actually post facts.
Since when do academics matter in this discussion at all?
Let's hear some more predictions or at least some things that are somewhat interesting!!!!!!
Vin wrote:
I'm pretty certain that Geneseo no longer has those "athletic slots". They were taken away this academic year from all the athletic teams, not just XC/TF.
And Geneseo has really, really low transfer GPA standards, so they can get nearly anyone they want if they choose to transfer. And when I say low, I mean in the 2.25 range.
And UR requires a SAT score higher than 1340 to even be considered for their incoming class. If you have 1330 or lower, don't even bother applying. This may be different for football, but for everyone else, it's true.
How dare you try to sully my good name!
Yes they all run relatively fast compared to people who didn't run fast in highschool. I think the point was that at Geneseo a higher percentage of guys tend not to improve or get worse from how fast they were in high school when compared to other schools. I'd have to agree with that btw.
It's not exactly fair to say "Geneseo runners tend not to improve" and compare it to other schools.
Look at it this way:
Say Plattsburgh (or any school) got a guy who ran 4:45 in high school off of 30 mpw. Just bumping that up to 50-60 mpw is gonna pretty much guarantee improvement. There is a lot more room for improvement for a guy like that then there is for someone like Streb or O'Connor or Berube. Those guys must have done some pretty serious training in high school, otherwise they wouldn't have been as good as they were.
That's my 2 cents. Plus, I can't really find anyone on their team besides Berube who has run slower than in high school (although I'm not familiar with that many of their runners). And he was anemic, was he not?
Despite anything thats said here, Geneseo is still a rock solid team with pretty good tradition - not as good as Cortland, but better than anyone else in the SUNYAC. Bantering about academics has no place here. We're all here to run.
Back to running...
SLU had their alumni meet this weekend and the top two current mens team members were under the old course record, or at least the alumni record. However, I believe the alumni record was the record, of course, until this race. I'm trying to be really careful not to spread any false information as I didn't see the results, but the times were well under 19 (for a 6k).
By the way the 3rd and 4th place finishers were Lawton Redman, an Olympic xc skier and accomplished xc runner, and Erik Donohoe.
Buff state is on staurday.
I assume Geneseo will run a B-team and freshmen again.
Will Fredonia run everyone like last year (will beck take up woodsy's strategy)?
Will Brockport even be there (new coach), if so will the top few be sat?
Any strong out of region teams attending (mt union last year)?
anyone know?
If Fredonia runs full strength again I think they would beat any B-team Geneseo could put together. Unless strong out of region teams show up that matchup looks to be the only interesting one here.
In other news, the P-Burgh 5k could get interesting as well.
edinboro and mt union will both be there
should make for a decent race it will be interesting to see where fredonia and geneseo b team stack up against these two teams
should make for a decent race it will be interesting to see where fredonia and geneseo b team stack up against these two teams[/quote]
I think this is a big meet for fredonia. Lets see hoe they stack up against Edinboro (ranked in d2) and Mount Union (ranked in d3).
If fredonia does well against the teams, they are legit and will be going for at least 5th in region.
Are you kidding? If Fredonia beats Geneseo's "B" team, they are legit... Think how that sounds.
I've said it before and I will say it again...
for Fredonia to finish higher than 5th at regionals would take many injuries to the top 4 teams.
thats actually not what he said, you misread his post he never said anything about Fredonia and Geneseo B team. It was about how Fredonia stacks up with Edinboro and Mount Union. .....now..think about how that sounds.
Lets also not forget how early it is in the season. Times and performances tend not to mean as much at this point. Good luck to all teams though.
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Lets also not forget how early it is in the season. Times and performances tend not to mean as much at this point. Good luck to all teams though.
we'll have a pretty good idea if fredonia can contend or not. if they don't have 5 under 27:00 then it would be pretty safe to count them out.
looks good for Cortland