So after 15 pages we can all agree, Cam Hanes is a cheating old man who is scared of the passage of time and Sage Canaday is a YouTube has been desperately trying to cling on to relevance because he failed to innovate with YouTube as the platform grew.
Two idiots come together through fate and we get to talk about it for 15 pages, what a time to be alive.
This thread is essentially finished. Sage has done all the whining he is going to do on here with his posts and neither the people who side with him or Cam are changing their minds. Let’s move on.
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You wrote 3 replies to the same comment over the span of an hour and now you want the thread to end? Keep going dude you’re on a roll!
he peddled anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and suggested that's why Sage got pulmonary embolisms.
That is why he got PEs . It’s a conspiracy theory? Wake up man. A fit mountain runner does not get clots out of the blue. You guys won’t touch any PED but are ok with big Pharma vaccines? Hmm.
he peddled anti-vaccine conspiracy theories and suggested that's why Sage got pulmonary embolisms.
That is why he got PEs . It’s a conspiracy theory? Wake up man. A fit mountain runner does not get clots out of the blue. You guys won’t touch any PED but are ok with big Pharma vaccines? Hmm.
You dk what you're talking about. Some people are genetically predisposed to clotting & would never know without testing. Elite endurance athletes are prime candidates to get clots -- long period of activity that leads to dehydration + long periods of sitting (throw in long flights to races as another risk). Plus elite endurance athletes aren't adept at catching clots if they start in the leg because they would just think it's normal to be feeling some fatigue/calf tightness. Leave partisan hot takes out of whatever this is.
This thread is about someone abusing anti-doping rules, & profiting off of that. Why are we even doing this.
While I am not anywhere near this level of running, it's good when some some age groupers get busted. I suspect there are many more out there who take stuff to enhance their performances.
That is why he got PEs . It’s a conspiracy theory? Wake up man. A fit mountain runner does not get clots out of the blue. You guys won’t touch any PED but are ok with big Pharma vaccines? Hmm.
You are wrong about PEs. BTW, we're geeks and you're the freak.
Honestly, why not use the big guns (Rachel and Killian) and go after this guy? Esp. assuming they are clean. They are already legends in ultra and that would make this go away.
Not a supporter of Cam at all.
But Rachel and Killian have actual running careers to worry about. There's zero upside and only potential downside to them "going after" Cam. Sage has a lot of time and not much to lose at this point. If anything, Cam drawing attention to Cocodona is good for everyone, especially Aravaipa and the top finishers who get tons of extra free publicity.
I get your point, it sounds like everyone needs to stay in their lane and not rock the boat, if I understand you correctly.
Had friends in the military who dealt with this--they kept their heads down and realized they had to survive even though they really wanted to effect change for the better. It's a no-win situation and it looks like Cam will basically outlast Sage.
Has anybody dropped comments on Freetrail/Singletrack/Boulder Boys etc?
Have a hard time imagining Deebo touching this considering his association with Speedland, but Finn or the Boulder Boys are not fettered by that.
The Boulder Boys in particular have not been shy voicing their opinions about the lack of testing at trail events, would love to hear them sound off on this.
I would try to start touching the other ultra forums and subreddits and getting the word out...I know LRC has a bad rep for some but it is still valued, HS and college runners (among others) probably come here even if their coaches tell them no. It's an open secret. I do wonder how many ultra peeps view LRC as a valuable resource as well.
The fundamental problem here is that the rules can't be enforced unless there's out-of-competition testing which requires more money.
And even with out-of-competition testing it's hard to know whether we can trust the people collecting samples, the labs running the tests, and whether the athletes have foreknowledge of the testing dates.
It seems likely that something is going on behind the scenes, as Cam has continued to post and crash out over the long weekend like a 16 year old girl who just got dumped: https://imgur.com/a/paA1Y5v. Maybe another podcast with some more crying will be coming next week?
He also made a post claiming that 20 years ago he was running 20 miles a day (26+ miles if he was preparing for a big race), while sleeping from ~11pm to 2:45am each night. A few things about this: 1) He's now trying to make it seem like proper sleep / recovery is the reason for his huge PR at Eugene and not the cocktail of Chinese pharmaceuticals, 2) This is the dumbest training plan I've ever heard of, other than whatever his nepo baby has been trying for the last 4 months. Cam is definitely lying about this and not particularly smart if he thinks others will buy it, 3) This conflicts with what Cam said immediately after Eugene, when he claimed that it was the first marathon he had ever really trained for, which was the reason for the breakthrough.
Cam, big dawg, you can't seem to keep your made up story straight and don't know enough to even keep your lies sounding plausible! Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that you broke the rules, knew you were breaking the rules when you took whatever combo of peptides/TRT/ miscellaneous other non-WADA sanctioned drugs are currently coursing through your veins, and stop trying make up a story on the fly to get you out of facing any social repercussions? The jug hooters in your comments have already made it clear that, no matter how much of a fraud you are shown to be, they aren't going to stop buying your merch or reading your knockoff David Goggins book.
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It seems likely that something is going on behind the scenes, as Cam has continued to post and crash out over the long weekend like a 16 year old girl who just got dumped: https://imgur.com/a/paA1Y5v. Maybe another podcast with some more crying will be coming next week?
He's talking like this is just Sage vs. him. Like his lifestyle is just too freeTM for the woke vegan to handle.
If that were the case this wouldn't have got any traction. Sage is just the highest profile person actually saying what we're all thinking.