you f*cking tool wrote:
oh cool, rojo's making this about himself.
LMAO sometimes I love this place
Jonathan Gault's story on the bust is now out: https://www.letsrun.com/news/2...
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I thought rojo went too far when his question made it to international news, but we have to give credit where credit is due. He posed a question that other reporters wouldn't touch.
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I feel sorry for kids who actually look up to people and performances like hers. Sucks to know that someone who they respect is just another a-hole.
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Ghost1 wrote:
#1 question: Will her record stand?
If it doesn't she can still always say that she's a former WR holder.
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Grassrunner wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
#1 question: Will her record stand?
If it doesn't she can still always say that she's a former WR holder.
I wonder if there is any contractual language in the Chicago appearance contract that would allow them (Chicago Marathon) to nullify the result. Then there is no time a WR could be based on.
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Oh Please wrote:
Grassrunner wrote:
If it doesn't she can still always say that she's a former WR holder.
I wonder if there is any contractual language in the Chicago appearance contract that would allow them (Chicago Marathon) to nullify the result. Then there is no time a WR could be based on.
They'd have to nullify the results for the whole field - basically decertify the race. Would diminish real accomplishments to do so. But you have to wonder if it might just be worth it. Thing is you'd assume another doper would use Chicago for a pay day so too many would stay away if they ever did that.
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Iron Bars wrote:
Yes. Rojo and LRC is owed an apology.
What's extraordinary in this case, first discovered in March/April 2025, is that Chepngetich has remained completely silent about the alleged infraction. Perhaps she's being advised by her legal rep (if applicable) to stay mum ...
Even if facets of the case are discovered, it will be difficult if not impossible to determine when she started taking supplements, or other means to enhance her performances.
This sport, and to a lesser extent -other endurance sports (cycling, cc skiing, etc) is unique in that outlier performances will usually be viewed with scepticism by a sizeable audience, even if the athlete was above board. Example people doubting Jakob Ingebrigtsen's performances.
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Every single time.
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Your "shtick" was never of interest, and is increasingly tiresome
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Ghost1 wrote:
Iron Bars wrote:
Yes. Rojo and LRC is owed an apology.
What's extraordinary in this case, first discovered in March/April 2025, is that Chepngetich has remained completely silent about the alleged infraction. Perhaps she's being advised by her legal rep (if applicable) to stay mum ...
Even if facets of the case are discovered, it will be difficult if not impossible to determine when she started taking supplements, or other means to enhance her performances.
This sport, and to a lesser extent -other endurance sports (cycling, cc skiing, etc) is unique in that outlier performances will usually be viewed with scepticism by a sizeable audience, even if the athlete was above board. Example people doubting Jakob Ingebrigtsen's performances.
Why would she say anything? She'll be fit enough in 2 years to resume defrauding clean runners and scooping up prize money.
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Kvothe wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
What's extraordinary in this case, first discovered in March/April 2025, is that Chepngetich has remained completely silent about the alleged infraction. Perhaps she's being advised by her legal rep (if applicable) to stay mum ...
Even if facets of the case are discovered, it will be difficult if not impossible to determine when she started taking supplements, or other means to enhance her performances.
This sport, and to a lesser extent -other endurance sports (cycling, cc skiing, etc) is unique in that outlier performances will usually be viewed with scepticism by a sizeable audience, even if the athlete was above board. Example people doubting Jakob Ingebrigtsen's performances.
Why would she say anything? She'll be fit enough in 2 years to resume defrauding clean runners and scooping up prize money.
She'll also be defrauding other fraudsters out of prize money, so there's that...
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I’m really shocked…
said no one ever 😆
Chepngetich is far from the first athlete represented by sports agent Federico Rosa to test positive for a banned substance. Rosa represented Rita Jeptoo (the three-time Boston Marathon and two-time Boston Marathon champion who tested positive for EPO in 2014), Jemima Sumgong (the 2016 Olympic champion who tested positive for EPO in 2017 but still retained her gold medal. Her suspension was later extended to eight years for tampering with the anti-doping process), Lawrence Cherono (the
2019 Boston Marathon and Chicago Marathon champion who received a seven-year ban in 2024 for testing positive for trimetazidine and then tampering), Sarah Chepchirchir (the 2017 Tokyo Marathon champion who was banned four years for violations found in her Athlete Biological Passport and then tested positive for testosterone upon her return in 2024), Titus Ekiru (the 2:02:57 marathoner who tested positive for triamcinolone acetonide, pethidine and then tampered with the process and received a 10-year ban), and most recently Sheila Chelangat (the 16th place finisher in the Paris Olympics 10,000m final and 1:06:06 half marathoner who is provisionally suspended following a positive test for EPO).This post was edited 12 minutes after it was posted.230 -
Who cares I've known since the 1990s that over half national and world class runners use some type of PED.
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Evidence? Though it’s believable tbh lol
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Yes but wrote:
But Rojo if she was American you would not have asked her the question.
let me wonder the reason why
You’re seriously suggesting Rojo would not have asked this question of an American woman who ran 2:09?! That’s ridiculous…I think he would have asked his own sister (if he has/had one) the question.
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Ghost1 wrote:
So who is the "real" women's record holder in the marathon.
Here's top 10
1. Chepngetich 2:09:56 (2024)
2. Assefa 2:11:53 (2023)
3. Hassan 2:13:44 (2023)
4. Kosgei 2:14:04 (2019)
5. Shankule 2:14:56 (2022)
6. Radcliffe 2:15:25 (2003)
7. Degefa 2:15:51 (2023)
8.Kebede 2:15:55 (2024)
9. Ketema 2:16:07 (2024)
10. Wanjiru 2:16:14 (2024)
In principle, Chepngetich's record will stand because difficult/impossible to prove she was using Peds last year, even though highly likely.
In the above list: 3 Kenyans, 5 Ethiopians, 1 Dutch (Ethiopian born), and 1 Brit. Radcliffe of course didn't have supershoes back in 2003. Teleporting Radcliffe to this era, and assuming clean, I'm thinking she might be equivalent to 2:11:00/2:12:00. Intrinsically, Paula's performance might be considered the most impressive.
I"m not sure of the world record but it apperars to me the Kenyan record is over 2:16 in my brain.
What still doesn't make sense is why no Ethiopians ever get popped. Remember there was an Ethiopian running with Chepngetich for much of Chicago last year.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
this and this wrote:
Not defending her, but her 2:09 was not so much an outlier based on her history.
Her history indicates that she was a very successful and accomplished runner that had never failed a drug test before running 2:09 in Chicago. She had won 8 prior marathons, including the World Championship marathon. She had a more recent history of going out very hard and fast in marathons (sub world record pace) but then fading.
In addition, she had run 15 half marathons. This included setting a world record in the half marathon of 1:04:02 in 2021. She won 8 of the half marathons she ran and broke 1:07 six times.
Both her marathon and half marathon times indicate a general progression/trend of faster and faster times.
Again not defending her, but Chepngetich did not come out of nowhere and she generally lowered her half and full marathon times as she became more experienced.
It seems likely that she was targeting world records in both those distances as she went on and it took her a few attempts to get there. Note how she ran the four Chicago Marathons in 2021-2024 below which indicated that she was likely targeting the world record in those races. Her splits during the 2024 races were not much of an outlier based on her approach to the three prior years.
Every world record can be viewed as an outlier to a certain extent.
Her major race history:
2018 won Istanbul Marathon in 2:18
2022 2nd Paris Marathon 2:22
2019 won Dubai Marathon in 2:17:08
2019 won World Championship Marathon in 2:32. This was in Doha and run in incredibly hot and humid conditions
2020 third in London Marathon in 2:22
2021 won Istanbul Half Marathon in new world record time of 1:04:02. She had run 15 half marathons in the 5 years before this. She won 7 of those other half marathons and her times indicated a normal progression of improvement until she ran 1:04. She broke 1:07 six times.
2021 won Chicago Marathon in 2:22, but she did so by going out really fast (67 min at half marathon) before fading.
2022 won Nagoya Women only Marathon in 2:22. Ran negative splits.
2022 won Chicago Marathon in 2:14:18. This was a personal best by 2:50 and only 14 seconds slower than the world record. She went out incredibly fast and well under world record pace (49:49 at 10 miles, 65 at the half) before slowing.
2023 won Nagoya Women only Marathon in 2:18
2023 2nd in Chicago Marathon in 2:15:37. She again started incredibly fast (31:05 at 10k, 65 at the half) before slowing and being passed by eventual winner Sifan Hassan.
2024 won Chicago Marathon in 2:09:56 a personal best by 4:22. She started faster ( 30:14 at 10k and 64 at the half) and slowed less.
Yes it was a major outlier. At age 30 you do not go out 1 minute faster at half and slow not just less but barely at all without mechanical/doping assistance. She attributed it to Maurten and shoes (which were barely changed). A non-outlier performance actually would’ve been a 2:15 as she’d overcooked the race based on her past attempts.
But by this logic does that mean all of her other times were clean?
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I posted on pages 3 & 4 of this thread, and here I am again, coming back on page 16 to say this really f*cking sucks.
Cheaters really suck man. The more I think about it, the more pissed off I get.
The first female sub 2:10 turned out to be phony. Who knows when it might have happened otherwise, but it should have been remembered as a joyous occasion. Not this sh*t. Now, somebody is going to break 2:10 some day for real, and everybody's going to go "meh it's done before technically, but no one can say 100% for sure if it was dirty because, technically, it was diuretic and it was months later..." and so on and so on.
This woman stole the world's reaction to first sub 2:10 performance that should have belonged to someone else. She stole it on dirty legs. And she stole it by 4 freaking seconds. 2:09:56.
4 seconds dude.
The next huge barrier is 2:00:00, which we will probably never see in our lifetime from a woman. 2:10 was one of the last big barriers that we still had, and now it's ruined. It's no longer black and white, but instead this stupid sh*tty gray area.
F*ck cheaters.
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The best are the Instagram posts after her run with all the pro fake US women giving props. The same snowflakes are now posting hearts that she's caught. Hell no! I said she was doped to the gills from the start. Wonder if she could have broken 4 for NIKE.
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rojo wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Yes it was a major outlier. At age 30 you do not go out 1 minute faster at half and slow not just less but barely at all without mechanical/doping assistance. She attributed it to Maurten and shoes (which were barely changed). A non-outlier performance actually would’ve been a 2:15 as she’d overcooked the race based on her past attempts.
But by this logic does that mean all of her other times were clean?
Good counterpoint. But there’re of course different types of doping she could be doing.
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