David Roche GOES HOME DEVASTATED from Western States

Further this thread is filled with conspiracy theories from both supporters and opponents. It’s totally unhinged. People are just waiting for a gotcha. Meanwhile I never watched one of these YouTube videos.

Is it a conspiracy theory when it's direct quotes from their podcast and/or published videos? Maybe if you watched any of their videos, even if just for the sake of research since you're currently failing at attempting to participate in a discussion while being wholly uninformed, you'd see there's no gotchya. Megan and David gotchya'd themselves.

Quick just TWO upvotes you got. It's too easy.

Just started listening to his post mortem podcast. So much dual narcissism between those two. The amount they think the world depends on them is crazy. “All the people we let down around the world.” I was rooting for him to win - TF do I care if it didn’t work out?

And I feel bad for their kids - how in the world are they going to survive intact when both parents are way off the top end of the scale on fake positive energy constantly 24 hours a day. There’s gotta be no oxygen in their house LOL. They might turn into the best ultra runners ever just to be out of the house all day.

You know him? That’s what I thought you loopy tw@t.

i know him, as do many of the posters on here. much of the criticism is spot on.

Homophobes? But Roche is openly not gay? How can people who dislike him be homophobic for their dislike of him when he’s openly not gay?

You hear his voice and mannerisms and hate him due to homophobia. You know this and I know this.

That sounds like a you problem.

I don’t understand as his voice and mannerisms are perfectly normal

Somebody uninformed anonymously voicing their opinion? How American…

He seems to say there was some fuelling issue. I'm not clear exactly on what they're trying to say was the issue - he's said possibly too much sodium, and also possibly too few calories?

But it's one of those weird things where the reality doesn't match what he was telling people in the lead-up. Hydration/fuelling was a huge part of his shtick and he acted like he had that completely dialed in.

He said that he took in too much sodium and started vomiting a little, which caused the underfueling. They were also pretty clear about how it was ultimately a panic attack/mental health issue that prompted him to drop and not actually physical issue. He admitted that his fears were unfounded and discussed seeking help, which I think is good. Megan sounded more defensive of him which is just her being his wife.

Some of these “quotes” are completely out of context. He talked about the possibility of winning WSER after Javelina but has also been pretty clear about how he knew the chances were slim. Before Jim dropped he openly said he thought he had less than an 1% chance. Essentially he was talking about taking a shot at winning, not saying that he was the best. All this stuff about how he “talked a big game” is a little overblown too.

I get some of the criticism but most people seem like they’re seeking out reasons to hate by cherry-picking quotes.

How dare you accuse those of us who dislike him of being to the right of him. He's the most basic, centrist lib on the planet who would drop his advocacy in a heartbeat if it made him $20

You don't get ads featuring this guy? Lucky you.

I listened to the podcast and they make a brief reference to the heat suit training possibly changing his sweat rate, causing him to take in too much sodium relative to what he needed early in the race. I haven't read the abstracts and then ignored the research-based protocols that are outlined assuming that I know best like David has, so I have no way of knowing if that's true or even a possibility. But that's, essentially, his claim.

He also makes a lot of references to feeling anxious during the race and his legs seeming heavy earlier than expected. These feelings of panic, combined with just feeling off in general during the race, sound ALOT like the results of overtraining to me but interestingly that possibility never comes up in their conversion. They also never at any point explore that David might have gone out too fast.

After listening to this conversation, I haven't moved much from my initial assessment of his race: David overtrained relative to his actual fitness, cooked himself with heat suit, went out too fast, and then packed it in when he realized that he wasn't going to be on the podium.

As a side note, I do wish that I could have $5 for every time they say vulnerable, openness, transparency, or related words. It comes across to me as manipulative, along with their love bombing of their audience.

What about the countless time he talked about "shock the world?" He can't stop mentioning it because he thought the world had a 99% chance of being spared of a shock?

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