first, NCAA explicitly thought this thing through and decided it was legal for volleyball. ergo, legal, not pathetic.
second, this is fleming's 3rd year at SJSU and her first 2 were uneventful. and her 5th including a redshirt, from all schools, with only this year being a poutfest. in fact, last year SJSU sucked. no one complained or sued. ergo not "from day one."
third, i chuckle at generalized "trouble" claims when her problems are basically one teammate and one coach. i had a single jerk soccer teammate who thought i took practices too easily and used to chase me around trying to slide tackle me to (a) punish the infraction and (b) force me to practice harder. the rest of them were m buddies and voted me MVP. but i guess per you a single down vote makes you "trouble."
get your politics out of my sports, it's boring and annoying.
Your point-by-point convinced me. Thanks. I was on the fence before.
NCAA thought it through - you had me at hello.
i don't have to "convince" you anything. i just explained how "your" argument is pseudo-factual "rubbish." she was not seen as trouble from day 1. she is in year 5 of NCAA play. 4 of those years none of us knew she existed. all the supposed trouble is this year 5. it is not with all her teammates. it's 2 people. when sued by a teammate and coach who run their mouths to the media. the coach is gone and IMO the teammate would be gone too if it wasn't buying a title IX lawsuit atop everything else.
Your point-by-point convinced me. Thanks. I was on the fence before.
NCAA thought it through - you had me at hello.
i don't have to "convince" you anything. i just explained how "your" argument is pseudo-factual "rubbish." she was not seen as trouble from day 1. she is in year 5 of NCAA play. 4 of those years none of us knew she existed. all the supposed trouble is this year 5. it is not with all her teammates. it's 2 people. when sued by a teammate and coach who run their mouths to the media. the coach is gone and IMO the teammate would be gone too if it wasn't buying a title IX lawsuit atop everything else.
In year five people got on the right side of history and called out your lunatic ideology. The coaching staff and school covered for the man out of fear of the trans-activist cabal. This Country is tired of your nonsense, plain and clear.
it is not even debatable whether fleming playing is legal. given that the rules are clear, what slusser has done to this team by her stomp fit is reprehensible.
i am sure lousy teammates think they have cajones for ruining the season for the rest of the team, and in this era, plenty of keyboard warrior cheerleaders.
you do not undermine team success with personal vendettas.
It is legal in a lunatic world. Normal people, of which you evidently are not, know a man playing in women’s sports is not fair. That is why you likely are not right between the ears.
i have reported your post as a non-pertinent personal attack. you're not even trying to be on topic here.
and to tie this back, i think you're a bunch of nasty bullies who pretend to be morality police. based on how you treat me, you should be nowhere near these decisions.
it's similarly evident in the way you treat the rest of those with whom you disagree on here. there are 2 sides to this issue. NCAA sided with me. that makes it legal in a debated discussion. act like a man. don't call your opponents nuts.
i don't have to "convince" you anything. i just explained how "your" argument is pseudo-factual "rubbish." she was not seen as trouble from day 1. she is in year 5 of NCAA play. 4 of those years none of us knew she existed. all the supposed trouble is this year 5. it is not with all her teammates. it's 2 people. when sued by a teammate and coach who run their mouths to the media. the coach is gone and IMO the teammate would be gone too if it wasn't buying a title IX lawsuit atop everything else.
In year five people got on the right side of history and called out your lunatic ideology. The coaching staff and school covered for the man out of fear of the trans-activist cabal. This Country is tired of your nonsense, plain and clear.
boring political speeches. on planet facts you just admitted the administration, most of the coaches and players, support this. so does the NCAA in its rules. in a democracy you're outvoted -- if but in the NCAA and SJSU.
i am not scared of fleming. i am concerned about you lot -- the bullies -- you remind me of the future conservatives i played sports who went around abusing teammates and calling the more sensitive ones gay. i don't want that messed up set of folks and your abusive dynamic making any decisions about college sports.
you can run for national elections on it. whatever. the basic facts are in the actual NCAA sports world this is legal.
It is legal in a lunatic world. Normal people, of which you evidently are not, know a man playing in women’s sports is not fair. That is why you likely are not right between the ears.
i have reported your post as a non-pertinent personal attack. you're not even trying to be on topic here.
and to tie this back, i think you're a bunch of nasty bullies who pretend to be morality police. based on how you treat me, you should be nowhere near these decisions.
it's similarly evident in the way you treat the rest of those with whom you disagree on here. there are 2 sides to this issue. NCAA sided with me. that makes it legal in a debated discussion. act like a man. don't call your opponents nuts.
I am not afraid to call out the lunacy of your trans-ideology. You believe by censoring that normal people will refuse to challenge your lunacy. Boise State proved your side is losing.
personally i can't even begin to say how awful a teammate slusser looks like. she doesn't sue the first season together, when the team stunk and they were roommates and teammates. she doesn't sue in the offseason to keep this crap and actual sports separate. she sues in the middle of their run to the conference final when they might make NCAAs.
screw that. i don't care what political crap you want to pimp, you don't crap on the team.
awful, awful teammate.
When Fleming confirmed that the article is correct, she told Slusser she would leave the team if Slusser felt uncomfortable. This was back in April. Obviously, Fleming did not leave the team then. (This is based on Slusser's own court filing.)
Fleming posted some vacation photos on her IG account, and Slusser wrote "ur glowing" and "slay" in the comment section. (Those comments have been since deleted.) This was in July.
And then, the team posted this video in August. (Look at Slusser on Fleming's lap at the beginning of the video.)
She was recruited by ICONs Women's Sports to join the lawsuit, and her activist mother had a big role in it. (Check all the rightwing organizations and influencers her mother is following here.)
on what planet do you people exist? i just watched tepid cooper rush face awful drew lock. if you think that a guy who QB'd a team to a super bowl is worse than that you are clueless. his last year in the league, on a 1-10 team, he had 16 TD and 4 INT. if he was "easily defensed" why does he have positive TD vs. INT his whole career?
i am glad i threw in that aside because it underlines the hyperbolic nonsense here. you cannot be an actual objective sports fan and think this.
nah, what actually carries the load in your sentence is "tired of his act," which is a political conclusion held by a loud minority in this country, not unlike the folks who decided in YEAR FIVE of fleming's career it was time to make her and SJSU's lives hell.
i dislike politics in sports. you don't get to decide who you are "tired of."
listen to your own mantras. shut up and dribble.
If you dislike politics in sport you would have dumped Pimple Neck after season two.
You are all about woke ideology, a political movement.
more straw man stuff. you cannot possibly know me and think this. my old roommate and i still discuss decades years later what we thought we endured in some humanities classes with certain women's studies-crosslist professors. spare me the broad brush bs.
i don't like the way y'all treat gay and trans people. it sounds a little too much like the bullies i knew growing up.
here is the deal. fleming is in the girl's dorms. dresses as a woman. is given a woman's name and treatment on the sports website. 99% of her day the authorities are treating her as a girl. when she plays as a girl, her team still loses games. over 5 years she hasn't proven unsafe or unbeatable. letting her finish the las 1% of sports as a girl is how this should go.
if you want to go debate this with her you can find her in the girl's dorms at SJSU.
i have reported your post as a non-pertinent personal attack. you're not even trying to be on topic here.
and to tie this back, i think you're a bunch of nasty bullies who pretend to be morality police. based on how you treat me, you should be nowhere near these decisions.
it's similarly evident in the way you treat the rest of those with whom you disagree on here. there are 2 sides to this issue. NCAA sided with me. that makes it legal in a debated discussion. act like a man. don't call your opponents nuts.
I am not afraid to call out the lunacy of your trans-ideology. You believe by censoring that normal people will refuse to challenge your lunacy. Boise State proved your side is losing.
how is boise winning? the rule remains what it is. the court cases haven't won. and they have 3 Ls on the scoreboard.
to be crystal clear, boise's little political vendetta just ended their season. they made their point. they will also clear out their lockers monday.
If you dislike politics in sport you would have dumped Pimple Neck after season two.
You are all about woke ideology, a political movement.
more straw man stuff. you cannot possibly know me and think this. my old roommate and i still discuss decades years later what we thought we endured in some humanities classes with certain women's studies-crosslist professors. spare me the broad brush bs.
i don't like the way y'all treat gay and trans people. it sounds a little too much like the bullies i knew growing up.
here is the deal. fleming is in the girl's dorms. dresses as a woman. is given a woman's name and treatment on the sports website. 99% of her day the authorities are treating her as a girl. when she plays as a girl, her team still loses games. over 5 years she hasn't proven unsafe or unbeatable. letting her finish the las 1% of sports as a girl is how this should go.
if you want to go debate this with her you can find her in the girl's dorms at SJSU.
Oh brother, “straw man” claims are a tired lib retort. What you endured, give me a break. Claim you are somehow disadvantaged to get things you haven’t earned. Like a fake woman getting a full ride athletic scholarship in a woman’s sport.
I am not afraid to call out the lunacy of your trans-ideology. You believe by censoring that normal people will refuse to challenge your lunacy. Boise State proved your side is losing.
how is boise winning? the rule remains what it is. the court cases haven't won. and they have 3 Ls on the scoreboard.
to be crystal clear, boise's little political vendetta just ended their season. they made their point. they will also clear out their lockers monday.
Easy, normal people realize how unfair and lunatic your woke ideology is.
what evidence whatsoever is there that fleming is a perv?
look, i get you folks think you can just lob around "stolen elections" or "crisis actors" and such but dominion has $700m of fox's money, and the onion is about to own alex jones' old website.
how is boise winning? the rule remains what it is. the court cases haven't won. and they have 3 Ls on the scoreboard.
to be crystal clear, boise's little political vendetta just ended their season. they made their point. they will also clear out their lockers monday.
Easy, normal people realize how unfair and lunatic your woke ideology is.
you want me to be blunt? it's right leaning HS diploma holders wanting to say who gets to play college sports. where, well, the presidents lean left. your ideas have therefore been considered, and rejected.
what evidence whatsoever is there that fleming is a perv?
look, i get you folks think you can just lob around "stolen elections" or "crisis actors" and such but dominion has $700m of fox's money, and the onion is about to own alex jones' old website.
Huh? You are rambling there, leftist.
How about all the male prisoners wanting trans surgeries and transfers to a women’s ward? I would garner most trans men wanting to be women have severe sexual and psychological issues. Of course most people are afraid to tell the truth, because of people like you. I am not afraid of your trans activist lobby.
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Easy, normal people realize how unfair and lunatic your woke ideology is.
you want me to be blunt? it's right leaning HS diploma holders wanting to say who gets to play college sports. where, well, the presidents lean left. your ideas have therefore been considered, and rejected.
thanks for playing.
That college degree has earned you the woke mind virus.
more straw man stuff. you cannot possibly know me and think this. my old roommate and i still discuss decades years later what we thought we endured in some humanities classes with certain women's studies-crosslist professors. spare me the broad brush bs.
i don't like the way y'all treat gay and trans people. it sounds a little too much like the bullies i knew growing up.
here is the deal. fleming is in the girl's dorms. dresses as a woman. is given a woman's name and treatment on the sports website. 99% of her day the authorities are treating her as a girl. when she plays as a girl, her team still loses games. over 5 years she hasn't proven unsafe or unbeatable. letting her finish the las 1% of sports as a girl is how this should go.
if you want to go debate this with her you can find her in the girl's dorms at SJSU.
Oh brother, “straw man” claims are a tired lib retort. What you endured, give me a break. Claim you are somehow disadvantaged to get things you haven’t earned. Like a fake woman getting a full ride athletic scholarship in a woman’s sport.
do you not understand what "straw man" means? you just underlined my point that this is right wing HS educated folks trying to weigh in on college educated folks deciding how their own sphere is run.
"straw man" is i am not very "woke" at all. you can claim i am, but i actually did not enjoy many aspects of my college career that ring "woke" any more than you would have.
but, i have seen how gays and nice kids get treated by bullies in the sports context. i think from that experience that the folks making these arguments sound too much like the bullies i remember. i want your nasty bullying out of sports.
i have in other contexts advocated creating a third sports category for gays, trans, wheelchairs, paralympians, special olympics, and anyone else the usual approach leaves out. i feel like everyone should get to play sports. i do not think this is "woke." i think it is "modern" as opposed to "stuck in 1950."
i think you "pretend" you want these kids back in male category when you know quite well they won't play that way, and it's basically a "shadow ban." you're kicking most trans out of sports. most people are not going to live lives as women then play as men after school.
i find that bullying approach disgusting.
i do not take seriously any approach to this issue that isn't updated to modern day and basically forcing religion into the games under the guise of protecting women.
as the one poster made clear with the comments suggesting psychopathology of trans folks, this is not the narrow "sports" issue you claim, it's a general bigotry of their whole daily lives. in other contexts you do non-sports stuff like bathroom bans, letting parents weigh in on their names during the school day, and otherwise trying to make the rest of their lives hell. the sports part is merely the popular "hook" for the rest of your overall mission.
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