New Gen Camp = Misogyny Training for High Schoolers

i still get why she’s going after Ben and Matt?

Ryder was the one being a d1ckhead

all they did was have the pictures posted on their account.

Matt Wisner on the second slide looks like a real creep. That’s very inappropriate for a “camp counselor”.

1. Yes I do

2. to be real, New Gen honestly gave us all full creative freedom. If we wanted their guidance or if they genuinely thought we could come up with a better idea then they’d tell us. Every single photo and video that wasn’t shot by a counselor, were 100% our ideas.

3. yes actually. Waivers were signed. We all had a talk from Ben and the CU campus people. There were plenty safety measures taken.

People have been saying how weird it is that Emma seems to have had no problems with New Gen in the past, but here's some actual context and evidence:

... she also commented "you literally made this that's so cool"

If I'm not mistaken, Emma and Matt have been friends in the past and the DMs posted on her story were GREATLY taken out of context, not to mention Matt's evident confusion as to what she was talking about in them.

It's also interesting that New Gen as a brand is being accused as homophobic, especially with all the queer athletes that work with and for them. Ben is definitely homophobic, but I feel like this could be made into a Ben issue, rather than a New Gen as a whole issue. I'm not really sure my stance on this, to be honest. I just think it's really sketchy that Emma is framing herself as having always been critical of New Gen when her partner, Nikki, literally has an article dedicated to them in the most recent magazine. It's just weird.

Yikes…No wonder he’s not with Emma gee on this one

They are the adults in the room and are responsible for what the campers are doing while under their supervision and responsible for that terrible apology that they since deleted.

Plus if you look at the instagram comments it seems a lot of unease with New Gen has been bubbling under the surface for a while now, and that is due to Ben mostly. Matt wasn't getting dragged outside of his role with New Gen until he looked like an idiot in his DM's with Emma.

what did they have to apologize for? the campers themselves said it was their idea to do that photoshoot.

and if Matt looking like an idiot” was him saying he wasn’t responsible for what other people did, i don’t know what to tell you.

I like Emma and Nikki, but it seems like she’s really trying to drag out something that could easily have been done privately.

Help me understand: the purpose of the camp was to teach you about storytelling and marketing yourselves, and then you guys came up with this photoshoot, and as you say, the photos hoot DIDNT have a story, marketing purpose or underlying purpose you can identify?

But yet you feel like the leaders of the camp are brilliant and they just...let you do a concept bc..it seemed.."funny?"

Wow. WOW. Sounds like money well spent on this camp! 👏 thanks for sharing the real deal!

Wow..on that ig pic from Bob Kennedy ‘s daughter, Connor burns commented “sugar daddy Crawford” and then Kennedy’s daughter responds with a positive reinforcement comment “when he buys us chick fil a >>>”..like what. These kids are brainwashed into thinking these kind of topics are cool edgy and ok to joke around about.
gross. These kids can post whatever they want freeeom of speech bla bla bla. But Connor burns is clearly a douche bro, and I’m surprised and icked that the girl is just playing along or has the same mindset. Also bet Ben loved seeing a high schooler write that on a teen girl’s pic and is probsbly thinking he’s so cool. If this camp happens again next year I’ll be shocked. Hopefully the new gen boys will realize their fun creep time is up and they can go get normal jobs and be decent adults.
gen z is so messed up..I’m looking at this from someone in their late 20s. This whole issue is a mess and people should be held accountable *cough* the “adults in charge” of this camp. and I think all these kids/campers will really see how cringey and gross they were being in 5 years time from now. At least I really hope they do.
also whoever this teen photographer was for the camp Ryder or whatever. Wow I hope no brands work with him and he gets canceled. The crap he said to Emma using a burner ig account was heinous. I’d love for this kids parents to know what he’s writing to me. Truly soem hateful crap and we all know it’s you who wrote it bro. Your “career” in running influencing should be canned for that period

Matt Wisner taking photos of children in the bathroom should be more concerning to everyone....

Emma Abrahamson should be ashamed !!

i love how you guys downvote the girl who went to the camp and is telling her experiences but keep spouting baseless accusations about a camp that you know nothing about outside of some goofy instagram posts. You guys don’t care about what really happened, you just like trying to confirm your preconceived biases.

1. Okay. Like I said previously, I think it's mostly the adults' responsibility to say something, rather than the campers. Still, I agree with what "I see some problems here" said a few comments up from this. Not saying anything leaves space for onlookers to make assumptions about how the people involved feel, and those assumptions may not be what the campers want people to think about them. That may not feel fair, but it's true. Also, most of the running community I've seen agreeing that the photos and NG's response was problematic have been the slightly older (recent post-collegiates and up) crowd. Those people tend to have a little more perspective and empathy for teens making some stumbles on the internet. I think if a camper were to put out a statement saying something to the effect of "sorry, I didn't mean to participate in something that perpetuates misogyny," they may be surprised by how well it's received. Yeah, some high school boys might call it "soft," but I guess they'd have to consider how much they value those boys' opinions.

2. So there wasn't necessarily any discussion about why the kids involved chose bullying as their shoot theme? Or did whoever wrote the NG apology try to connect it to high school movies, when that wasn't what the kids involved intended? I do think that the staff giving the kids creative freedom is a good thing to an extent; that's how the kids are going to learn to create things themselves. Still, purely from the view of the camp supposedly being a learning opportunity for young creators, it seems like the "professionals" could have been providing a more valuable experience with more workshopping or discussion throughout the creative process.

3. That's good to hear! I said in an earlier comment that I hoped CU was requiring certain precautions as a part of hosting the camp, and I'm glad that's true. From the amount of maturity the NG staff has been displaying, I wasn't sure if they would be considering that type of thing on their own.

At best, it really seems to demonstrate a lack of boundaries / judgement. Not hard to wonder what goes on when the cameras aren’t out.

That 2nd pic on godsey’s IG is where a parent has every right to make life as hard as possible on Matt wisner and new gen

wow…but I’m sure the “culture of bro” at new gen has a perfectly good explanation…”the girls were into it” right?

The camper in this thread said "if they genuinely thought we could come up with a better idea then they’d tell us".

He's not responsible for them taking photos, or what they post on their own instagrams, kids are going to do dumb things. But when New Gen posts those photos on their own page then Matt and Ben are now involved as approving of the message. They are the ones that are supposed to act like adults and they clearly dont.

Plus she did try to handle it privately, thats what the DM was for. she posted after it became clear that Matt didn't care.

I don't think that Matt didn't care. I think if you look at those DMs from a normal conversational POV, he seems to be genuinely confused, like he hadn't seen the post or anything yet. To me it just seems to be taken out of context.

Curious…Do these guys take these kinds of pics with women in the 21-28 year old range?

Yes, the magazines are mostly articles and photoshoots with professional athletes.

maybe "didn't care" is the wrong wording. Maybe better to say he seemed very nonchalant about it.

I have no idea when all of this started since the posts are now deleted, but from the time stamp of the DM it would seem that his responses were after New Gen had deleted the photos if not after the apology itself so it would be weird to truly not know what was going on.