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ih8fetterman wrote:
The real problem in the coming election is that Trump almost can't lose the nomination. And none of the other Republicans can win the general election. So never Trumpers will get an 86 year old man running the country in 2028.
Versus an 82 year old.
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NYT has a big story that Tucker was fired mainly because a trove of indefensible texts was seen by Fox executives. Sounds like really extreme stuff. But given how Republicans think, it could be vile in any number of horrendous directions.
ah, 'conservatives.' You never fail to do bad things and make very bad decisions. You dance with the devil and then when it takes your soul you are shocked. Fools.
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agip wrote:
NYT has a big story that Tucker was fired mainly because a trove of indefensible texts was seen by Fox executives. Sounds like really extreme stuff. But given how Republicans think, it could be vile in any number of horrendous directions.
ah, 'conservatives.' You never fail to do bad things and make very bad decisions. You dance with the devil and then when it takes your soul you are shocked. Fools.
and now smartmatic knows that Fox is desperate not to have these emails and texts go public. They will not settle for corporate pocket change. Fox is in big right wing doo-doo.
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Coincidence ?
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Drive Faze wrote:
So if Trump is the republican nominee, you are still voting for him right?
Not exactly sure what you mean by DEI gulag, but your politics and beliefs run secondary to the larger issue. Trump has actively tried to destroy our country's democracy. And while politicians are rarely seen as beacons of integrity, the fact that Trump has ushered in the likes of MTG, Santos, Boebert and Gaetz and they are actual GOP representatives tells you how bad things have become. Not a single one is qualified to lead or represent a damn thing, yet here they are playing prominent roles in the direction of our country. Herschel bleeping Walker almost got elected. I am OK debating the merits of the things you want to see done in America, but how can your values be taken seriously when those who claim to represent those values are clown shows? Willing to wager you and I share many things in common, but for me quality of candidate has become the single biggest factor in who I vote for. I disagree with 90% of what Liz Cheney votes for. But I wouldn't think twice about voting for her. This country needs someone with integrity running it.
I've never once voted for a Republican for president, and I don't support Trump. However, I will not vote Democrat if they continue on their current path. They've let a bunch of illiberal zealots hijack the party, and the have much more power than Republicans. I will vote for whomever supports liberal values (liberal in the philosophical liberalism sense, not the left/right sense).
My prior post is pointing out the hatred on the left directed at the right. I see it every single day. Many educated white liberals have absolute contempt for conservatives and Trump supporters. They don't try to understand how this voting block thinks and what motivates them. They just assume that these people are stupid, indoctrinated, racist, xenophobic, etc. It doesn't occur to them they their own side is a mirror image of the the things they criticize.
What a bizarre post. You pretty much regurgitate what Tucker Carlson is famous for while pretending to be a liberal. Oh, I'm such a victim! They are out to get me! Deep State!
Biden won because he is close to the political center and doesn't have much in the way of political scandals (not talking about the made up kind). He is certainly not a liberal zealot. That point of view comes from being so far right as to see the middle as extreme left.
However, if you want to overthrow the government and make a dictator for life, Trump is your guy. He literally said he would not accept the election results before the 2016 election, he met with Russian operatives, publicly asked Russians to hack and post Clinton's emails, asked Ukrainian President to investigate Biden's son on the threat of withholding military aid while praising Putin as a good guy. He appointed a head of USPS who dismantled the sorting machines to keep mail in ballots from being counted in time. He pressured Georgia officials to change the election count. He attempted to refuse a peaceful transfer of power when he lost. Then incited a riot to stop certification and asked the mob to lynch his Vice President. That is not someone who believes in democracy.
Seems like we could do better than both of them. But too many people are listening to inflammatory idiots like Tucker Carlson and refusing to question the obvious problems.
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Wise Old Man wrote:
GD wrote:
I don't support Trump, but I'm not going to vote for a candidate who wants to define biological sex out of existence or turn my workplace into a DEI gulag. I certainly won't vote for Biden.
The only sensible thing to do is to list out all of the policy positions that matter to you and try to prioritize them and then review the candidates before you and decide who has the most positive checks, or fewest negative checks, and vote that way. For some the list of important issues is very long, and for others the list might be just a single issue. Taking the emotion out of it, I would think it would be hard for most left of center people to vote for Trump or his acolytes, even if they agree with their position regarding trans rights and inclusion. For example, is “defining biological sex out of existence” a greater threat to women than the political right’s all out assault on reproductive freedom? I would think being dictated to about control over one’s body and the decision about whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term, or potentially being denied access to the birth control of your choice, would be paramount, but I’m just a man.
Trump himself is a special case depending on whether or not you believe he is a unique threat to democracy, and for some this issue outweighs all the others.
My perspective is not about individual policy positions. It's about political ideology. The illiberal left is currently the greatest threat to democracy, and right now we're living through a slow-motion cultural revolution. Liberal values and institutions are slowly being gutted. When these are sufficiently weakened, we're all in for despair and bloodshed. Anybody who doubts the danger of these social dynamics should watch videos of the meltdown at the Evergreen State College in 2017 and read up on Mao's cultural revolution.
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GD wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
The only sensible thing to do is to list out all of the policy positions that matter to you and try to prioritize them and then review the candidates before you and decide who has the most positive checks, or fewest negative checks, and vote that way. For some the list of important issues is very long, and for others the list might be just a single issue. Taking the emotion out of it, I would think it would be hard for most left of center people to vote for Trump or his acolytes, even if they agree with their position regarding trans rights and inclusion. For example, is “defining biological sex out of existence” a greater threat to women than the political right’s all out assault on reproductive freedom? I would think being dictated to about control over one’s body and the decision about whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term, or potentially being denied access to the birth control of your choice, would be paramount, but I’m just a man.
Trump himself is a special case depending on whether or not you believe he is a unique threat to democracy, and for some this issue outweighs all the others.
My perspective is not about individual policy positions. It's about political ideology. The illiberal left is currently the greatest threat to democracy, and right now we're living through a slow-motion cultural revolution. Liberal values and institutions are slowly being gutted. When these are sufficiently weakened, we're all in for despair and bloodshed. Anybody who doubts the danger of these social dynamics should watch videos of the meltdown at the Evergreen State College in 2017 and read up on Mao's cultural revolution.
literally, right wingers attempted a coup in 2021 and you think the left is the problem.
literally, right wing Trump said he favored suspending the Constitution. And you think the left wing is the problem
Dude.
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GD wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
The only sensible thing to do is to list out all of the policy positions that matter to you and try to prioritize them and then review the candidates before you and decide who has the most positive checks, or fewest negative checks, and vote that way. For some the list of important issues is very long, and for others the list might be just a single issue. Taking the emotion out of it, I would think it would be hard for most left of center people to vote for Trump or his acolytes, even if they agree with their position regarding trans rights and inclusion. For example, is “defining biological sex out of existence” a greater threat to women than the political right’s all out assault on reproductive freedom? I would think being dictated to about control over one’s body and the decision about whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term, or potentially being denied access to the birth control of your choice, would be paramount, but I’m just a man.
Trump himself is a special case depending on whether or not you believe he is a unique threat to democracy, and for some this issue outweighs all the others.
My perspective is not about individual policy positions. It's about political ideology. The illiberal left is currently the greatest threat to democracy, and right now we're living through a slow-motion cultural revolution. Liberal values and institutions are slowly being gutted. When these are sufficiently weakened, we're all in for despair and bloodshed. Anybody who doubts the danger of these social dynamics should watch videos of the meltdown at the Evergreen State College in 2017 and read up on Mao's cultural revolution.
Ok, so how does this translate for you at the ballot box? You’re not voting, or if you are tell me what local, regional, national candidates you support? You are going to vote away your reproductive freedom to combat the illiberal left? That’s amazing….I’ll leave it at that.
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GD wrote:
Drive Faze wrote:
I'm equal parts confused and disturbed by people who STILL support anything Trump. The fact that seemingly good, educated, hard-working folks on the right still haven't stood up and collectively demanded more from their candidates and their party further bothers me. As an independent with beliefs and opinions that cross lines, I could be swayed to vote for a GOP candidate if there was one worth voting for. Since Trump and DeSantis are the top two, the dems will reluctantly continue to get my vote. Dems don't impress me. But they don't concern me the way many on the right do.
I don't support Trump, but I'm not going to vote for a candidate who wants to define biological sex out of existence or turn my workplace into a DEI gulag. I certainly won't vote for Biden.
To paraphrase David Sedaris, you are the person on the flight who is offered two meal choices by the flight attendant, chicken or diarrhea with ground up glass, and you choose the second option because you don’t like how the chicken is cooked. Enjoy your meal.
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Wise Old Man wrote:
GD wrote:
My perspective is not about individual policy positions. It's about political ideology. The illiberal left is currently the greatest threat to democracy, and right now we're living through a slow-motion cultural revolution. Liberal values and institutions are slowly being gutted. When these are sufficiently weakened, we're all in for despair and bloodshed. Anybody who doubts the danger of these social dynamics should watch videos of the meltdown at the Evergreen State College in 2017 and read up on Mao's cultural revolution.
Ok, so how does this translate for you at the ballot box? You’re not voting, or if you are tell me what local, regional, national candidates you support? You are going to vote away your reproductive freedom to combat the illiberal left? That’s amazing….I’ll leave it at that.
I don't owe you a list of my preferred political candidates. I'm telling you that I believe the biggest threat to democracy is currently coming from the left. Jan 6th was scary, but it was much more a bonehead riot than a serious coup. You're free to disagree, but your disdainful take on my "reproductive freedom" is, quite frankly, condescending and sanctimonious. As much as I support abortion access, it's preposterous to argue that I would lack reproductive freedom without abortion access; it's especially absurd given that abortion is decided at the state level. A US president cannot ban abortion in all states.
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GD wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
Ok, so how does this translate for you at the ballot box? You’re not voting, or if you are tell me what local, regional, national candidates you support? You are going to vote away your reproductive freedom to combat the illiberal left? That’s amazing….I’ll leave it at that.
I don't owe you a list of my preferred political candidates. I'm telling you that I believe the biggest threat to democracy is currently coming from the left. Jan 6th was scary, but it was much more a bonehead riot than a serious coup. You're free to disagree, but your disdainful take on my "reproductive freedom" is, quite frankly, condescending and sanctimonious. As much as I support abortion access, it's preposterous to argue that I would lack reproductive freedom without abortion access; it's especially absurd given that abortion is decided at the state level. A US president cannot ban abortion in all states.
If you think the left is the biggest threat to democracy, then why not tell us which politicians and policy makers you support to combat that threat? Seems like because of your “fear of the left” you are likely to cast your lot with politicians who are working as hard as they can to limit abortion access, and these same politicians probably support a long list of other policy positions you dislike or abhor. At the end of the day, it comes down to voting for candidate A or B. Good luck with your strategy to save us all. Yeah, I’m disdainful of your views because I think they are profoundly misguided.
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GD wrote:
Wise Old Man wrote:
Ok, so how does this translate for you at the ballot box? You’re not voting, or if you are tell me what local, regional, national candidates you support? You are going to vote away your reproductive freedom to combat the illiberal left? That’s amazing….I’ll leave it at that.
....it's especially absurd given that abortion is decided at the state level. A US president cannot ban abortion in all states.
Well, that is unless the President was able to appoint 3 Supreme Court Justices who were expressly chosen because they were willing to overturn Roe v. Wade, which they did. And while we are on the subject of threats to democracy: The Republican Senate refused to hear any Supreme Court nominees for the last 9 months of Obama's term because it was too close to the election, then rammed through a nominee weeks before Trump's term ended. This is for an unelected, lifetime appointment. Does that sound like the will of the people?
And what about the facts stated about Trump's election attacks in my previous post?
You think that sort of politics is not a threat to democracy? You have been listening to WAAAAY too much Tucker Carlson.
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WakeUpCall wrote:
GD wrote:
....it's especially absurd given that abortion is decided at the state level. A US president cannot ban abortion in all states.
Well, that is unless the President was able to appoint 3 Supreme Court Justices who were expressly chosen because they were willing to overturn Roe v. Wade, which they did. And while we are on the subject of threats to democracy: The Republican Senate refused to hear any Supreme Court nominees for the last 9 months of Obama's term because it was too close to the election, then rammed through a nominee weeks before Trump's term ended. This is for an unelected, lifetime appointment. Does that sound like the will of the people?
And what about the facts stated about Trump's election attacks in my previous post?
You think that sort of politics is not a threat to democracy? You have been listening to WAAAAY too much Tucker Carlson.
And those justices have been a vital check on executive power. The left wanted to pack the court and install 4 new justices so that they could rubber-stamp any dictat Joe Biden issued.
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This got more than 10x as many views as anything on CNN tonight
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Kokinho wrote:
This got more than 10x as many views as anything on CNN tonight
Everything he says would be very mainstrea/normal/common sense just 10-20 years ago.
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The king is back baby!!
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douglas burke wrote:
Kokinho wrote:
This got more than 10x as many views as anything on CNN tonight
Everything he says would be very mainstrea/normal/common sense just 10-20 years ago.
Bull.
Here's a few of his quotes. And they are so atrocious, I can't even repeat them here. Check it out. He's your boy. Own it, dirtball. Scroll down to the part about what he called Sidney Powell, for starters.
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