Big development: Woman who falsely testified in Jarrion Lawson case is one who popped Houlihan. Houlihan ordered a carne asada b

We’ve already heard this dismissively several times ‘cant be ingested orally do the whole thing falls apart’ — who can definitely make that claim?

BALCO was ahead of the doping regime at the time, why arent ppl open to the idea that yes, true, she didnt take it orally yet still could have used it nonetheless

That’s an offal lot.

Snd how do you know that delay was not requested by SH herself?

To people think I'm only defending Jonathan. I'm just pointing out flaws in people's arguments.

The post above is very good and my biggest gripe about this.

And is why I specifically ordered Jonathan to find out this morning what she ate. We broke that story to the world in this column.

toozy wrote:

No professional distance runner is taking oral nandrolone. That’s the bit that doesn’t add up for me. It’d be completely useless as a performance enhancer.

This is the key information I'd like to know

1) WHy wouldn't they take it?

2) And why wouldn't they take it orally?

maybe WADA was being extra prudent to let the process play out without staining her if she was innocent but now we hitting them for that because it came out the other way

statement makes no sense see the 50 or so T&F athletes popped who thought otherwise

rojo wrote:

think first wrote:

More than 10 oz. for levels found in Houlinan sample.

if this is true. Then the story is hard to believe. Very hard.

It’s not true. Find out the ounces or grams of meat per kg body mass/weight to reach the levels she had. Then you have to account for variations in meat and individual metabolism. The tiny study of three persons showed a wide range in the results from well below to well above her levels.

Don’t know if she doped, though.

Rainy Day wrote:

With that said, LRC is not claiming #2 as fact, but as their opinion. Posters jumping all over the creators of this site that nobody is forcing them to visit. They are allowed their opinion like all of us, and you can take it or leave it. Yes, maybe a little biased, but aren’t we all? I appreciate the opposing points of view, but I’m sticking with guilty until there is more evidence to clear Houlihan.

This is Jonathan's piece. It's not an LRC piece.

Anyone with the remotest knowledge of doping in sport will have come to the conclusion that only the most stupid brain dead utter fool would take nandrolone when been on a test register.

If yo go on the Usada site for sanctions you will see the range of stuff people are taking.

Innocent !

In addition, how do we know for certain she wasn’t injecting? We’ve only heard carefully crafted PR and talking points from BTC people. Is there some scientific analysis that proves that this was definitely not injected?

Honest question here. I haven’t dug into all of the reports enough and figured I’d rely on LetsRun to set me straight (lmao).

Jefe in the CO wrote:

That being said, it is highly hypocritical of LRC to witch hunt NOP but defend BTC. I think Rojo's still steaming from Rupp escaping Scot-free.

I am with the minority of posters who don't have enough information yet to cast stones but I am leaning towards the ban being appropriate even though I'm a big fan of SH and BTC. Not sure how they have never heard of nandrolone.

I am also of the opinion that our sport's drug testing system is broken.

Good post. It's not hypocritical. Do you listen to the pod? I repeatedly have ranted that the Salazar ban doesn't do it for me. At one point, I heard USADA wanted Magness to plead guilty to being doped so they could nail Salazar. When I hard that, I called Steve up and, "No. Don't do that. That's absurd. Everyone knows you weren't an elite athlete."

In case you missed the other piece. Here are 12 reasons why it would be reasonable for one to react differently if this was a Salazar athlete and not a Schumacher athlete.

1) Salazar was part of Atheltics west where there was known steroid use.

2)Salazar admitted he used steroids himself.

3) I had guys calling me unsolicited when Rupp was in college saying weird shit was going down, with Rupp getting shots in hotel rooms.

4) I had his massage therapist calling me saying they saw weird shit in the apartment.

5) I've got a picture of a nike lab report saying Rupp was on testerone in HS.

6) I know for a fact his coach has steroids in his bag and gives Rupp massages even though they have a masseuse on staff.

7) Also Slaney was popped.

8) I know Salazar violated the rules on Lcarinitine.

9) I know Salazar repeatedly violated US prescription med rules.

10) I know Salazar sent drugs across the world in hallowed out books.

11) I know Salazar loved Dr. Brown. Jerry - who initially was a co-coach with Salazar -on the other hand thought it was weird and stopped sending his guys there.

12) And last but not least I have the assistant coach in the group calling me up saying he's got grave concerns.

First off, I appreciate all the passion and engagement on this issue. I think we all agree that the sport is facing an existential threat and this latest development was a true gut punch. Houlihan was/is our nation’s absolute best and it’s the Eve of the Olympics. It simply can’t be any worse. When the stakes are so high, I recommend those in the business of telling the rest of us what the hell is going on play it as straight as possible. It’s great that JG broke some relevant news, important pieces of the puzzle, and these should be reported ASAP. At some point down the line enough facts will emerge that drawing a conclusion makes sense. Drawing a conclusion now, however, based some sort of vague knowledge of character or hearsay from others undermines a conclusion based on real data later. JG should not be just like me or the other random, no nothing posters on the site. This is not some stupid debate about Bannister vs El G, or other such nonsense. This is life or death for T&F and we need as close as possible unbiased, dispassionate description of what actually went down followed by a solid interpretation when the time is right.

But you “directed” him what to write? You’re as bad as Houlinhan.

I feel bad fit Shelby but this incident completely exposes LetsRun. They are kind to their favorites and label everyone else a doper

I think LetsRun and Jon Gault have done a terrific job covering this story

just like armstrong, hed be nuts to dope with the spotlight on him

One last thing, you may say that having an opinion is not the same as drawing a conclusion, but in this white hot environment it reads the same. Hold the opinions until it’s a conclusion.

rojo wrote:

Harambe. Can you explain why oral steroids don't work at all? Why is that? That's very important to me to understand.

Rojo, AFAIK (not an expert), most steroids are absorbed rapidly by the liver but lack potency due to so called 'first pass effect' because compounds absorbed in the intestine first pass thru the liver before general circulation. The liver has a lot of enzymes that can modify and deactivate compounds.

Many/most (idk for sure) steroids are hepatically inactivated in this way and thus don't really work orally. They are rapidly degraded into more inert metabolites that are then cleared.

Presumably the oral route for nandrolone works this way. Liver basically immediately breaks them down to NA and NE (that are not nearly as active, if at all) and they get cleared.

Take a gander here at urine profiles of athletes who took oral nandrolone (25 mg x2 i.e. a lot more than in boar meat)

Hoping someone more knowledgeable can chime in

gameantenna wrote:

We should start calling the BTC the BurritoMan Track Club. Just so we could add on to this parody of a doping scandal that everyone is creating.

Now that would be an amazing shirt if I wanted to go the deadspin route, I could print

Burrito

Track

Club

Shirts.