Film at 11:00? wrote:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but part of the Guiness World Record rules for point to point records state that the support vehicle needs to be BEHIND the runner at all times; pretty sure RY has been running behind the RV and there's video that shows him getting shade protection from the vehicle.
In other words, he might DQd.
Link?
So it seems to me that everyone thinks I should offer a cash challenge he data from his watch. Offer him maybe cash for it to be produced by the time he gets to Indy?? If not, he's clearly a fraud.
Maybe I'll do both. Offer him cash for the reward and buy him a new watch to wear all the way home - that way we know he's not cheating moving forward if Laz can't stay with him.. Is that the best plan moving forward?
-Robert
I don't think anyone has asked for the film from Colorado. I'll try to figure that out tomororow as well.
Someone mentioned the escorts earlier, whether they could be contacted.
The one jackass in the van did mention a stay at the Mustang Ranch. For those of you who are under 15 & don't know about it, there are plenty of escorts here...er, there I mean...at the Mustang Ranch. We..uh, THEY might remember a visit from the teenie weenie boys.
oops i posted as noobrunner2 a couple of times.
and got beaten to converting the kml to csv (I posted the KML from a different PC, didn't have the CSV on hand to post at that time)
I am pretty sure Guinness also has one of the most advanced testing facilities for PEDs. If you scan the thousands upon thousands of records you won't find one doper. (Except of course the hot dog eating dude)
Has anyone contacted the tow truck guy in the video?
Has anyone contacted the tow truck guy in the video?
I have Laz's number and just left him a voice mail about if they've asked for the watch data or if the thinkg RY will give it up if i Offer a cash donation to the charity.
I also had a few generic questions which I sent to him via email that maybe the forum posters can answer.
1) How long do you guys (laz and crew) plan on staying with him? I think it only takes one or two nights of cheating to make it so he can break the record.
2) You said today that you witnessed him running some six minute miles. I never thought he wasn't a bad runner. He's clearly a good runner, but what I don't get it is if he's running some 6 minute miles then how did he only cover 48.6 miles on the day. I could leisurely walk 3 mph for 16 hours, sleep 8 and still get that many. How did he only do so few miles?
3) there isnt' a requirement that he actually run is there? Walking is fine, right?
Cooter1234 wrote:
Has anyone contacted the tow truck guy in the video?
Cooter1234 wrote:
Has anyone contacted the tow truck guy in the video?
Sorry, didn't quite catch your question there fella?
Arealpersson wrote:
Judge won't budge wrote:Throwing out this question: what is a fitting punishement for his alleged 'crimes' here?
Ok we site back for now and let all the evidence (or lack of) come in, be analyzed and verdicts reached. If it becomes clear beyond reasonable doubt that his claims of completing this (with or without achiveing the record) are proven false then what will actually happen?
Will he be allowed to continue with his status of being a hero and champion of childrens charities cheered on by his many fans on facebook?
Will he be allowed to continue to claim his previous records ie. sub 31 10K etc?
Will he continue to profit directly from his book sales even if he is exposed as a fraud?
Will he be ostracised from the running community?
Will he be ostracised from the charity community?
Will he be ostracised from the general public at large?
It seems to me that if found to be gulity of fabricating many of his athletic accomplishments then an example must be made of him and expose him to the full glare of the media to prevent other would be 'heros' from ever attempting something like this again. I wouldn't care so much if he was just doing this just to boost his ego but he is actually making a mockery of charities here and this is the key point here. He is in a way committing fraud by taking sponsorship deals and money from genuine people who accept his achievements at face value with no questions asked.
I am completely sick and tired of the great sport of running being totally abused by outright cheaters who seem to take advantage of the fact that most people will never question things. For me, this guy has gone way too far this time and deserves everything that is coming his way.
The case continues to build against him and he is now damned by his own silence and lack of credible data. Once all the evidence has been weighed up, I'm sure there will be quite a few media outlets rather interested in highlighting this. I could see the BBC's Jeremy Vine running with a story like this on primetime UK radio time.
Rob, give it up buddy, it's time to come clean now and admit to everything you have falsely claimed. It's better you do this now than to continue this as it will only get worse for you from here on.
Stop walking, get in the van, check into a nice hotel for a couple of nights. Once rested, release a video owning up to these lies and issue an apology to the many you have duped throughout all of this.
It's not too late to reveal the truth and walk away with at least some dignity in tact.
And if he's shown to be running legitimately will there be any consequences for the people hiding behind their fake names and accusing him of cheating before he's even finished the thing. In guessing not.
Have you been repeatedly dropped on your head, or something?
Seriously, are you just completely incapable of objectively evaluating information, or what?
What exactly is the major malfunction in you people?
team1.kml wrote:
http://pastebin.com/h8pkj5WHcsv with segment times, distances, paces
Nice work.
I'm combing right now. Would appreciate some double checking here, and elevations as I can't get gmaps pedometer to take coordinates.
First suspect segment:
Line 1112 to 1115:
37.575258, -105.273929 to 37.549271, -105.097904
13.4 miles in 74 min (6:05 pace) in the CO Rockies on HWY 160.
Appears to rest for a bit, then back off on the same road.
Line 1117 to 1126:
11.7 miles in 70 min (6:00) pace, with the first ~10 miles in sub 6:00
derval wrote:
It looks like it would be quite easy to get on the back of the RV, hold on to the ladder and take a breather when needed during those big mileage days.
https://www.facebook.com/marathonmanuk/photos/pcb.1020380798046178/1020379961379595/?type=3&theater
Yeah, it would make "sticky bottles" in cycling look like a joke. That entire RV is sticky.
Just finished a 64 mile run wrote:
First suspect segment:
Line 1112 to 1115:
37.575258, -105.273929 to 37.549271, -105.097904
13.4 miles in 74 min (6:05 pace) in the CO Rockies on HWY 160.
According to google maps, that stretch starts at 8553', goes up 843' to an elevation of 9396' and then drops 1762' down to an elevation of 7671'. I'm guessing the RV was rolling downhill pretty fast.
Rojo...
Cash should be offered for proof of this
fred wrote:
Ultraboy wrote:
Google Maps makes it 128 miles between those two towns. What does the tracking data say about that stint? Anybody who can read that stuff tell us?So 125 miles @ just under 6 minute pace with some peaks at 5,000 feet altitude.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@36.8324178,-109.0653246,12z/data=
!5m1!1e4
FMD Fred, that's unbelievable, now that 125 miles I really would like to see them release the data on.
ccr wrote:
from his website:
Rob tore himself away from his new friends to get a few hours sleep before we got going again that evening at 8pm. From there he made good mileage through the night as we headed into New Mexico, a night not without drama. With Michael driving and Rob running, they were pulled over twice by a local police officer. He was insistent Rob was risking his life doing what he was doing and threatened to shut him down for the night, which would have been the end of his attempt on the World Record. Fortunately that never happened but it was another occasion where you realise it only takes one thing to go wrong to derail this whole grand attempt.
The following dawn we met up with Vanessa and Shacky further down the road.
8pm to 7am 11 hours for 100+ miles. Hmmm.
Why is he not claiming the American Record for 100 miles. 11:4x would do it, no?
Another good stretch, and this is showing up from Emporium, KS to Lebo, KS on HWY 50.
Line 1652 to 1659:
38.405042, -96.153943 to 38.404797, -95.871675
15.3 mi in ~96 min (6:15 pace).
Also accompanied by Vanessa Rodriguez - here is her Facebook entry:
Vanessa Rodriguez
June 11 at 6:48am ·
We crewed Rob for two days and in that time I saw and contributed to the meticulous record keeping of his record attempt. They were so adamant I had to sign my name next to every recorded minute I witnesses and the times were checked and double checked. This was before any debate started. I rode next to him myself... on the bike because he's way too fast. And I shit you not, there were times I could not even keep up on the bike. I have seen him run and there is no question in my mind he's legit. So is his crew. I would stake my reputation on it.
Knowing their pattern and schedule and I can think of several reasonable explanations for the accusations against him, but let's remember it's not our job to humor the haters. We know he's doing it. He knows he's doing it. Some people talk shit and some people DO shit. The little people talk while the big people do the impossible.
Rob, just keep running. We believe.
‪#‎RUNWITHROB‬
Klukkluk wrote:
New video up, from the first week:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1025912397493018
Wow, I'm convinced now. Rob's definitely capable of running *really* slowly for very short distances. No doubt about it.
And walking, too. He's clearly capable of walking, slowly, for short distances, as well.
There's your proof, Haters.
Just outside Flagstaff, approaching Grey Mountain:
Line 593 to 596:
35.568612, -111.532232 to 35.679746, -111.507809
7.8 miles in 48 minutes (6:12 pace).
Just finished a 64 mile run wrote:
Another good stretch, and this is showing up from Emporium, KS to Lebo, KS on HWY 50.
Line 1652 to 1659:
38.405042, -96.153943 to 38.404797, -95.871675
15.3 mi in ~96 min (6:15 pace).
These are great analyses. Can we get a list of these suspect segments, WITH date/time stamps? Then perhaps Rojo, FOIA man, or others could specifically check for video footage of those times/locations.