Robert Young fakes run across America

New Laz Report from the ultralist:

"being on hand presents an interesting change in perspective.

there would be no reason in making the trip,

if I came with a closed mind.

that said, there are questions that deserve to be answered.

some things I see a lot differently.

other questions remain for now.

some issues that raised such questions for many

were quickly resolved.

"what runner runs behind his aid vehicle?"

Robert young runs behind his aid vehicle.

one of my first comments, as we followed him thru the night,

was that whatever was blocking his taillight

needed to be removed.

it turned out to be a towel.

he spent a lot of time running at the back of the vehicle.

the had a regular aid station set up on the back bumper

and in a compartment just above the bumper.

using his flashlight (torch) to signal the driver,

they were able to coordinate their speed to allow RY access to the range of supplies,

while running.

"RY does not look fatigued enough to have run that far."

I have seen fatigue.

he started today the same as any multi-day runner;

moving slow and looking stiff.

it took about 3 miles, before he could start running.

then, after the cooker heated up,

I saw him look like death at times in the heat....

but he has remarkable recuperative abilities

(reminding me of steve warshawer, for the old-timers)

and he feeds off of human contact.

regardless of his physical state, RY animates when he talks to people.

"his credentials do not support the mile times he is claiming."

it did not take me long to figure out that "race" does not mean the same thing to RY as it does to me.

I need no further convincing that RY does not give his best effort in races.

not because he "chokes" under pressure,

but because he simply does not care.

his race results have no relationship to what he might be able to run.

we clocked him in some miles this morning, after he loosened up.

they ranged from 5:47 to 6:12.

coordinating with case, those were showing up on the tracker as 7:00 and up.

I am sure that was because he stopped at his van after every one.

not for long, but it does not take long to make the average time go up.

tracker undoubtedly did not put the same endpoints as he began and ended his running segments.

the most "6 minute" miles in a row was 4,

which is far short of the numbers strung together earlier.

but he is capable of running 6 minute miles without blowing up.

however, he does not seem to have any steady state.

his approach to multiday running seems undisciplined

with more exposure.

perhaps a pattern will emerge for me.

he did, as best I could tell, make the mileage he needed to stay on pace for his "record" today

that is the first time in almost a week.

tomorrow will be revealing.

if he can back up today's mileage by making pace tomorrow,

he will no longer appear to be spiraling out of control.

I am going to stop for now.

it is not like you can figure out everything in a single day.

and it is not like I am signing off on the run.

but, there are a lot of challenges that have been made,

which are easily explained.

i figured I would dispense with a few of those.

the more lingering questions I will give them a chance to address

before I say any more.

laz"

Contact the folks at Strava directly. They'd love to jump in here.

bulldozier wrote:

Is everyone you don't know a clown just because you don't know them? Did you do any research whatsoever on who Laz is?

Hey, Bulldozier: Do you know my Aussie friend Chris Smith?

Here's Laz's take thus far (from ultralist):

Part 1:

followed the boys from midnight until they stopped for the day.

but I have a roomful of hungry geezers

and need to get them all fed and out of here,

so I can post a report.

(and sleep before my shift starts tonight)

I have some observations about the questions that have been raised.

I will wait for confirmation,

but I think they did the required distance today.

laz

Part 2:

to address the post I sent thru case;

I don't want to give the impression that it was a result of the fast miles in the morning.

the reference to him suffering was from the heat.

it was nasty today

Part 3:

Ultraboy wrote:

Google Maps makes it 128 miles between those two towns. What does the tracking data say about that stint? Anybody who can read that stuff tell us?

So 125 miles @ just under 6 minute pace with some peaks at 5,000 feet altitude.

!5m1!1e4

Al Sal couldn't do that. Could Shetzov loaded on EPO? No

noobrunner--the hero LRC deserves.

If it's not too hard, get all that data into a spreadsheet us amateur number crunchers can handle. Maybe columns of date, time start, time end, distance travelled, elevation gained, elevation lost. You can probably get a lot of help with different analysis if you can convert the KML data. The first places to look are from the NV border to Flagstaff, AZ and all of NM. He's running huge elevation gains at altitude there.

Maybe there's something in the night mileage/day mileage ratios. He seems to be waddling at all hours now and wasn't pre KS. Has his mileage during daylight changed substantially since all the attention, or is it only the night time mileage?

Mr Young and crew might counter by saying the tracker was on the RV, so calculating break times and estimating best/worst case sleep and pace times might be useful in that event (under the shaky excuse that RY trails way behind and catches the RV).

It is widely accepted knowledge that 2.4 mph is the speed of a hopped up crack whore looking for her next trick and not a world record ultra runner. Fact.

being on hand presents an interesting change in perspective.

there would be no reason in making the trip,

if I came with a closed mind.

that said, there are questions that deserve to be answered.

some things I see a lot differently.

other questions remain for now.

some issues that raised such questions for many

were quickly resolved.

"what runner runs behind his aid vehicle?"

Robert young runs behind his aid vehicle.

one of my first comments, as we followed him thru the night,

was that whatever was blocking his taillight

needed to be removed.

it turned out to be a towel.

he spent a lot of time running at the back of the vehicle.

the had a regular aid station set up on the back bumper

and in a compartment just above the bumper.

using his flashlight (torch) to signal the driver,

they were able to coordinate their speed to allow RY access to the range of supplies,

while running.

"RY does not look fatigued enough to have run that far."

I have seen fatigue.

he started today the same as any multi-day runner;

moving slow and looking stiff.

it took about 3 miles, before he could start running.

then, after the cooker heated up,

I saw him look like death at times in the heat....

but he has remarkable recuperative abilities

(reminding me of steve warshawer, for the old-timers)

and he feeds off of human contact.

regardless of his physical state, RY animates when he talks to people.

"his credentials do not support the mile times he is claiming."

it did not take me long to figure out that "race" does not mean the same thing to RY as it does to me.

I need no further convincing that RY does not give his best effort in races.

not because he "chokes" under pressure,

but because he simply does not care.

his race results have no relationship to what he might be able to run.

we clocked him in some miles this morning, after he loosened up.

they ranged from 5:47 to 6:12.

coordinating with case, those were showing up on the tracker as 7:00 and up.

I am sure that was because he stopped at his van after every one.

not for long, but it does not take long to make the average time go up.

tracker undoubtedly did not put the same endpoints as he began and ended his running segments.

the most "6 minute" miles in a row was 4,

which is far short of the numbers strung together earlier.

but he is capable of running 6 minute miles without blowing up.

however, he does not seem to have any steady state.

his approach to multiday running seems undisciplined

with more exposure.

perhaps a pattern will emerge for me.

he did, as best I could tell, make the mileage he needed to stay on pace for his "record" today

that is the first time in almost a week.

tomorrow will be revealing.

if he can back up today's mileage by making pace tomorrow,

he will no longer appear to be spiraling out of control.

I am going to stop for now.

it is not like you can figure out everything in a single day.

and it is not like I am signing off on the run.

but, there are a lot of challenges that have been made,

which are easily explained.

i figured I would dispense with a few of those.

the more lingering questions I will give them a chance to address

before I say any more.

laz

Can someone ask Laz why Rob won't upload his data from the entire run immediately? Where is the TomTom data and why can't he upload it?

At this point, that's the only question that really matters. His pace and times are believable now, but they weren't before. And we don't have the only data that could possibly help him, even though he's been using his TomTom.

Seems like the only way to reach Laz is by phone. So if someone has his phone number, can they ask him to press Rob on the data (not that I think Laz is the best person to take the lead on a technical issue)?

fred wrote:

So 125 miles @ just under 6 minute pace with some peaks at 5,000 feet altitude.

Impressive athlete, this Rob. That will shut up the 12 basement trolls!

Expect great things.

fred wrote:

Ultraboy wrote:

Google Maps makes it 128 miles between those two towns. What does the tracking data say about that stint? Anybody who can read that stuff tell us?

So 125 miles @ just under 6 minute pace with some peaks at 5,000 feet altitude.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@36.8324178,-109.0653246,12z/data=

!5m1!1e4

Al Sal couldn't do that. Could Svhetsov loaded on EPO? No

Comrades Up - 56 miles

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fujtyjdj wrote:

New Laz Report from the ultralist:

"we clocked him in some miles this morning, after he loosened up.

they ranged from 5:47 to 6:12.

coordinating with case, those were showing up on the tracker as 7:00 and up.

I am sure that was because he stopped at his van after every one.

not for long, but it does not take long to make the average time go up.

tracker undoubtedly did not put the same endpoints as he began and ended his running segments.

the most "6 minute" miles in a row was 4,

which is far short of the numbers strung together earlier.

but he is capable of running 6 minute miles without blowing up.

laz"

Nice work, Laz. Many questions about this section of the post.

Is "6 minute miles" 6:00/mile or 6:xx/mile (such as 6:45/mile)?

Did RY run these 4 miles to show off his abilities or just because he felt good? (I still don't understand the rationale of doing any miles in this whole transcon thingie at that kind of pace. Incredibly inefficient in the big picture of things.)

Was RY straining to do this? (I would imagine so. He posted data for May 25 that he ran 25.74 miles at 6:45 pace. That was 11 days into his transcon run.)

Again, nice work, Laz.

MightyUlist wrote:

158 miles from Indy, 883 from Times Square.

56.46mpd required to achieve record.

Good stuff. Thanks for the update.

But, don't forget: soon Rob will be in Rossi County. Mike for sure will show him some shortcuts, as he is as knowledgeable as fast.

[quote="laz"]his credentials do not support the mile times he is claiming."

it did not take me long to figure out that "race" does not mean the same thing to RY as it does to me.

I need no further convincing that RY does not give his best effort in races.

not because he "chokes" under pressure,

but because he simply does not care.

his race results have no relationship to what he might be able to run.

we clocked him in some miles this morning, after he loosened up.

they ranged from 5:47 to 6:12.

coordinating with case, those were showing up on the tracker as 7:00 and up.

I am sure that was because he stopped at his van after every one.

not for long, but it does not take long to make the average time go up.

tracker undoubtedly did not put the same endpoints as he began and ended his running segments.

the most "6 minute" miles in a row was 4,

which is far short of the numbers strung together earlier.

but he is capable of running 6 minute miles without blowing up[/quote]

He's a decently fit man in his early thirties, I'd fully expect him to be able to run a few six minute miles.

BUT HE CLAIMS A 30:47 10k AND 67/68 HALF MARATHON.

The act of not caring about races is preposterous disingenuousness. His identity is wrapped up in being recognised for being a Super Special and if he actually showed some balls and trained to his limit for a couple of years and ran, I don't know, a 2:25 marathon, he'd still be demonstrably 20+ mins behind the best guys. Make up your own silly challenges and you can be Super Special and a Hero.

My take away reading between the lines of Laz's post is this:

1. He has a newfound level of respect for RY as an ultra runner.

2. He can put in the miles to finish this thing at the record pace.

3. The time is not right yet to get to the bottom of what happened out West.

Laz fanboy wrote:

My take away reading between the lines of Laz's post is this:

1. He has a newfound level of respect for RY as an ultra runner.

2. He can put in the miles to finish this thing at the record pace.

3. The time is not right yet to get to the bottom of what happened out West.

More like:

1. He thinks the bloke is fairly tough and not as bad a runner as he suspected. Also somewhat taken in by his wide eyed faux-naif couldn't-possibly-be-a-bad-guy demeanour.

2. Might be able to put the miles in to finish at record pace.

3. Time is not right to go nuclear.

It looks like it would be quite easy to get on the back of the RV, hold on to the ladder and take a breather when needed during those big mileage days.

https://www.facebook.com/marathonmanuk/photos/pcb.1020380798046178/1020379961379595/?type=3&theater

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Letsrun PVSSIES owned by Robert MF Young!!!

Rob is the GOAT letsrun troll killer.

Go home devastated, you sorry mud throwing basement dwellers.

fred wrote:

Ultraboy wrote:

Google Maps makes it 128 miles between those two towns. What does the tracking data say about that stint? Anybody who can read that stuff tell us?

So 125 miles @ just under 6 minute pace with some peaks at 5,000 feet altitude.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@36.8324178,-109.0653246,12z/data=

!5m1!1e4

Al Sal couldn't do that. Could Shetzov loaded on EPO? No

Rob's blog has him covering the distance from Kayenta to Farmington in two nights and days, not one. The Robert Shakleford poster didn't explain the details clearly enough, but did state that they left RY east of Kayenta in the evening, and found him the next morning somewhere west of Farmington and crewed for him all day while the RV crew went ahead to Farmington to get the RV (whose name is Frank apparently) repaired. Rob's blog has him covering 70 miles for the day he arrived in Farmington.

realism wrote:

grandstand wrote:

LOL.

People forget that these are PROFESSIONAL cheaters. Their income depends on this. It's not like Rossi or Litton who just wanted some fame in their local communities. The guys in the RV do this to make a living. They'll do ANYTHING to make a profit from this. And they have very little to lose. So no, it's not "absurd" cheating. If anything, it's fraud.

"And they have very little to lose"

They do, this org is on to them right now:

>HM Revenue & Customs - GOV.UK

We are the UK's tax, payments and customs authority, and we have a vital purpose: we collect the money"