OFFICIAL LRC President Donald Trump SECOND TERM Thread

BillionairesForHire wrote:

gnarlysheen wrote:

Now address these, which you left out:

When you claim he's for project 2025 and it's "bad," Trump is evil. When you finally admit he isn't affiliated with it, you label him weird for "not having a plan." Will you always change positions out of convenience for your narrative?

An Ivy League educated bunch of sharp, sober, intelligent people are "nazis" without "a plan." They went to the same obscenely rich schools you pretend to defend against defunding.

Again with the made up quotes? I believe you are referring to my quote:.

"To be clear, other people in the Trump admin may have a long term plan (Project 2025), but Trump himself has never had any cohesive or long term plan for any American issue. His only answer is "I don't like it, get rid of it." The consequences come later and he blames it on someone else. His supporters cheer. Bizarre."

Please re-read it and point out where I said "bad", "evil", "Ivy League", or "nazzi". I did address "no plan" with multiple examples.

Please be civil.

gnarlysheen wrote:

BillionairesForHire wrote:

You put a lot of things in quotes that are not quotes. Why? Also, why the angry insults? I did not insult you.

I did not discuss wealthy people or Ivy league schools.

USMCA - breaking the agreed rules may not be physically "ripping it up", but is substantively the same. Trump made agreement no longer valid by changing the tariff amounts.

You seem to misunderstand my post.

When I say he has no plan, here are a few examples:

He ended the Iran Nuclear Agreement and is now trying to negotiate something similar.

Has talked about ending ACA and will announce a replacement in 2 weeks. We have heard that for 10 years now, still no plan.

He imposed across the board tariffs without concrete plans for what they would deliver to our country. To be fair, he seems to have had a plan that country leaders would come groveling to him and maybe bribe him, but nothing clear for the American people.

USMCA, already covered.

Get rid of FEMA. Then how will we deal with natural disasters?

Lowered taxes, but then is upset that the deficit is higher.

Cut IRS funding and fired employees. But is upset that the deficit is higher.

Was going to end 2 wars. But has at best had no impact on peace and many would say both are worse now due to his interference.

The reason for the name calling is that you are lying. You people spread false information fed to you by main stream news sources. We would be in a horrible situation if Harris won.

- the Abraham Accords, facilitated under Trump, normalized relations between Israel and several Arab nations, signaling a broader regional strategy

- the JCPOA was withdrawn from due to concerns about Iran's ballistic missile program and the sunset clauses allowing eventual nuclear proliferation. Trump replaced it with the “maximum pressure” campaign, which significantly reduced Iran's oil revenue and applied economic constraints, though critics argue about its effectiveness

- legislative attempts, such as the American Health Care Act (AHCA) of 2017, were proposed but failed in Congress due to lack of bipartisan support. While these efforts were incomplete, the administration pursued measures like expanding short-term health plans and association health plans to increase insurance options

- the tariffs on Chinese goods were part of a broader effort to address long-standing trade imbalances and intellectual property theft. The U.S.-China Phase One trade deal signed in 2020 required China to purchase $200 billion in additional U.S. goods and services. They were implemented with the stated goal of securing better terms for American industries

- there is no record of Trump attempting to dismantle FEMA. The administration allocated significant resources through FEMA during natural disasters, including Hurricanes Harvey and Maria, and played a role in the federal COVID-19 response. Claims about ending FEMA are LIES. LIES.

- you enjoy simplifying issues for your narrative. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 reduced corporate and individual tax rates, aiming to stimulate economic growth. Tax reform led to record-low unemployment and increased GDP pre-pandemic. The deficit grew substantially during COVID-19 due to emergency relief spending, not solely tax cuts

- the IRS budget had faced reductions prior to Trump’s presidency

- how has Trump made the Ukraine war worse? He has talked to both leaders more than anyone from Biden in multiple diplomatic attempts. We both know Zelenskyy is an actor and a corrupt politician benefiting from war money. Of course he doesn't want to end the war. Your plan is to what? Continue to feed Ukraine with ammunition and stand back and watch as they die, slowly, as Russia continues to obliterate them? We've already been doing that, and it doesn't work. Why don't you contact the president and see if he will let you try????? Blaming someone for attempting something he said he would attempt is just bullsh!t and you know it. He has attempted more the last few months than Biden did his entire term.

Again, you guys still act surprised at how he operates. He operates in a way that is seen to be unpredictable for a reason. What happened right after he said he would develop Gaza? People started problem solving. You people are too literal. Too thick-skulled. Let some things go, go on a run, relax. Trump really cares about the country. Harris cared about what? Trans/ gays? DEI? Ineffective military? Further racial segregation? Violent protests? You do realize the FBI has confirmed J6 was staged by you awful people, correct? Letting illegals in? Giving them tax payers' money to buy votes? Bought out by Cheney?

BillionairesForHire wrote:

gnarlysheen wrote:

The reason for the name calling is that you are lying. You people spread false information fed to you by main stream news sources. We would be in a horrible situation if Harris won.

- the Abraham Accords, facilitated under Trump, normalized relations between Israel and several Arab nations, signaling a broader regional strategy

- the JCPOA was withdrawn from due to concerns about Iran's ballistic missile program and the sunset clauses allowing eventual nuclear proliferation. Trump replaced it with the “maximum pressure” campaign, which significantly reduced Iran's oil revenue and applied economic constraints, though critics argue about its effectiveness

- legislative attempts, such as the American Health Care Act (AHCA) of 2017, were proposed but failed in Congress due to lack of bipartisan support. While these efforts were incomplete, the administration pursued measures like expanding short-term health plans and association health plans to increase insurance options

- the tariffs on Chinese goods were part of a broader effort to address long-standing trade imbalances and intellectual property theft. The U.S.-China Phase One trade deal signed in 2020 required China to purchase $200 billion in additional U.S. goods and services. They were implemented with the stated goal of securing better terms for American industries

- there is no record of Trump attempting to dismantle FEMA. The administration allocated significant resources through FEMA during natural disasters, including Hurricanes Harvey and Maria, and played a role in the federal COVID-19 response. Claims about ending FEMA are LIES. LIES.

- you enjoy simplifying issues for your narrative. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 reduced corporate and individual tax rates, aiming to stimulate economic growth. Tax reform led to record-low unemployment and increased GDP pre-pandemic. The deficit grew substantially during COVID-19 due to emergency relief spending, not solely tax cuts

- the IRS budget had faced reductions prior to Trump’s presidency

- how has Trump made the Ukraine war worse? He has talked to both leaders more than anyone from Biden in multiple diplomatic attempts. We both know Zelenskyy is an actor and a corrupt politician benefiting from war money. Of course he doesn't want to end the war. Your plan is to what? Continue to feed Ukraine with ammunition and stand back and watch as they die, slowly, as Russia continues to obliterate them? We've already been doing that, and it doesn't work. Why don't you contact the president and see if he will let you try????? Blaming someone for attempting something he said he would attempt is just bullsh!t and you know it. He has attempted more the last few months than Biden did his entire term.

Again, you guys still act surprised at how he operates. He operates in a way that is seen to be unpredictable for a reason. What happened right after he said he would develop Gaza? People started problem solving. You people are too literal. Too thick-skulled. Let some things go, go on a run, relax. Trump really cares about the country. Harris cared about what? Trans/ gays? DEI? Ineffective military? Further racial segregation? Violent protests? You do realize the FBI has confirmed J6 was staged by you awful people, correct? Letting illegals in? Giving them tax payers' money to buy votes? Bought out by Cheney?

I addressed your comments civilly. I am not lying, you just don't agree. But that is allowed in a free speech society.

FEMA - Trump has called it a failed government agency and said states should handle disasters on their own. He cut funding and fired FEMA employees. Those are facts.

Trump and his people have not come up with an ACA replacement or even guidlines. We are still 2 weeks away... I agree with you that congress made an attempt. It was not good attempt so it did not pass.

Has Trump ended the Gaza or Ukraine war as he promised? No. Is more or less aid getting to Gaza? Civillians continue dying in both places. Russia is a US adversary. Abandoning Ukraine is good for Russia, bad for US allies in Europe. You are allowed to support Russia or believe this is not a US problem. I believe they should be repelled from incursion further into Europe, preferably without US troops as has been done.

The federal deficit started rising immediately after the 2017 tax cut. Covid certainly ballooned it worse. I am FOR fiscal responsibility. That means collecting taxes and cutting costs. I prefer cutting with a plan and a scalpel vs a wildly swinging chainsaw by someone who has never held one before.

gnarlysheen wrote:

BillionairesForHire wrote:

I addressed your comments civilly. I am not lying, you just don't agree. But that is allowed in a free speech society.

FEMA - Trump has called it a failed government agency and said states should handle disasters on their own. He cut funding and fired FEMA employees. Those are facts.

Trump and his people have not come up with an ACA replacement or even guidlines. We are still 2 weeks away... I agree with you that congress made an attempt. It was not good attempt so it did not pass.

Has Trump ended the Gaza or Ukraine war as he promised? No. Is more or less aid getting to Gaza? Civillians continue dying in both places. Russia is a US adversary. Abandoning Ukraine is good for Russia, bad for US allies in Europe. You are allowed to support Russia or believe this is not a US problem. I believe they should be repelled from incursion further into Europe, preferably without US troops as has been done.

The federal deficit started rising immediately after the 2017 tax cut. Covid certainly ballooned it worse. I am FOR fiscal responsibility. That means collecting taxes and cutting costs. I prefer cutting with a plan and a scalpel vs a wildly swinging chainsaw by someone who has never held one before.

While Trump has criticized FEMA in the past, there is no evidence he dismantled it or rendered it ineffective. FEMA continued to operate during his administration, managing disaster relief efforts such as hurricanes and wildfires. Budgetary adjustments are common across administrations, often driven by broader fiscal goals rather than an intent to eliminate the agency.

So WTF are you talking about? You are lying.

The Trump administration did propose alternatives to the ACA, including the promotion of short-term, limited-duration insurance plans and association health plans.

While the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act reduced revenue in the short term, it also spurred economic growth, as evidenced by historically low unemployment rates and increased consumer spending pre-COVID-19. The pandemic-induced economic downturn and emergency spending were the primary drivers of the ballooning deficit, not the tax cuts themselves.

He did not "abandon" Ukraine.

During President Donald Trump's first term (2017–2021), the United States provided Ukraine with approximately $2 billion in military and security assistance. This aid included lethal weaponry such as Javelin anti-tank missiles, marking a significant shift from previous U.S. policy.

In his second term, beginning in 2025, President Trump initially paused military aid to Ukraine, citing concerns over Ukraine's commitment to peace negotiations with Russia. However, following diplomatic engagements, including a pivotal meeting in Saudi Arabia, the Trump administration resumed military aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine.

Additionally, in April 2025, the Trump administration finalized an economic agreement with Ukraine, granting the U.S. access to Ukraine’s mineral resources. This deal was seen as a form of compensation for U.S. military aid and included the establishment of a joint United States-Ukraine Reconstruction Investment Fund to support Ukraine’s postwar recovery.

If you call Biden a scalpel, then a "chainsaw" was needed. Poor analogy. More like you prefer dead guy to getting things done guy.

We have already been through this. You just fail to acknowledge the truth.

LetsRunSpecial wrote:

gnarlysheen wrote:

While Trump has criticized FEMA in the past, there is no evidence he dismantled it or rendered it ineffective. FEMA continued to operate during his administration, managing disaster relief efforts such as hurricanes and wildfires. Budgetary adjustments are common across administrations, often driven by broader fiscal goals rather than an intent to eliminate the agency.

So WTF are you talking about? You are lying.

The Trump administration did propose alternatives to the ACA, including the promotion of short-term, limited-duration insurance plans and association health plans.

While the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act reduced revenue in the short term, it also spurred economic growth, as evidenced by historically low unemployment rates and increased consumer spending pre-COVID-19. The pandemic-induced economic downturn and emergency spending were the primary drivers of the ballooning deficit, not the tax cuts themselves.

He did not "abandon" Ukraine.

During President Donald Trump's first term (2017–2021), the United States provided Ukraine with approximately $2 billion in military and security assistance. This aid included lethal weaponry such as Javelin anti-tank missiles, marking a significant shift from previous U.S. policy.

In his second term, beginning in 2025, President Trump initially paused military aid to Ukraine, citing concerns over Ukraine's commitment to peace negotiations with Russia. However, following diplomatic engagements, including a pivotal meeting in Saudi Arabia, the Trump administration resumed military aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine.

Additionally, in April 2025, the Trump administration finalized an economic agreement with Ukraine, granting the U.S. access to Ukraine’s mineral resources. This deal was seen as a form of compensation for U.S. military aid and included the establishment of a joint United States-Ukraine Reconstruction Investment Fund to support Ukraine’s postwar recovery.

If you call Biden a scalpel, then a "chainsaw" was needed. Poor analogy. More like you prefer dead guy to getting things done guy.

We have already been through this. You just fail to acknowledge the truth.

Relax. You should learn to use ALL CAPS when you write a long essay.