Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

SouthernmostIllini wrote:

nonequals wrote:

Perfect example of the shameless lack of consistency:

1) Claimed, at least, concern for those Americans who died in Kabul last summer [I happen to have disagreed with the pullout, and agree that it was handled poorly, and like so many others, felt particularly bad about that bombing]

2) Zero concern for the hundreds of thousands of Trump voters/supporters/donators who died, no doubt, as an indirect result of Trump constantly saying things he knew to be wrong about COVID mitigation (and didn't follow himself).

As one of the few admitted Trumpers here, Gary, you should be so, so fu*** ashamed of yourself.

So the doctor heading the NIH was flip flopping around about how to respond to covid and that’s excuseable because “the science was changing”. But the non science person he was advising doesn’t get a pass for being inconsistent?

nonequals wrote:

SouthernmostIllini wrote:

So the doctor heading the NIH was flip flopping around about how to respond to covid and that’s excuseable because “the science was changing”. But the non science person he was advising doesn’t get a pass for being inconsistent?

Aside from getting his job wrong, your first sentence is more or less correct. Beyond that, did Fauci probably say a few wrong things across the course of the pandemic? Probably. Especially the stuff about mask use early on, if I recall correctly. Does any of the put him REMOTELY in Trump's class? Of course not.

As you well know, but pretend otherwise, Trump's "problem" during the pandemic wasn't "inconsistency." It was far, far worse than that. And you know it, and pretend otherwise.

You guys want to defend conservative positions versus liberal positions? Fine. You want to defend the average DB R politician versus the average DB D politician? Fine.

But when you hugely downplay Trump's (and his imitators') huge faults, you're just being as****s. And maybe helping to wreck a country.

SouthernmostIllini wrote:

nonequals wrote:

Aside from getting his job wrong, your first sentence is more or less correct. Beyond that, did Fauci probably say a few wrong things across the course of the pandemic? Probably. Especially the stuff about mask use early on, if I recall correctly. Does any of the put him REMOTELY in Trump's class? Of course not.

As you well know, but pretend otherwise, Trump's "problem" during the pandemic wasn't "inconsistency." It was far, far worse than that. And you know it, and pretend otherwise.

You guys want to defend conservative positions versus liberal positions? Fine. You want to defend the average DB R politician versus the average DB D politician? Fine.

But when you hugely downplay Trump's (and his imitators') huge faults, you're just being as****s. And maybe helping to wreck a country.

15 months into the pandemic and Fauci was asked about the effect of a previous infection on immunity. Hemmed and hawed and said something to the effect that’s something that needs to be investigated. The guy who masterminded our response to the AIDS epidemic claiming that he didn’t know the effect of a previous infection after millions had recovered? Not plausible! That just confirmed what I already suspected…the covid response in this country was highly politicized. Anybody that didn’t think their institutions weren’t deceiving them wasn’t thinking. The distrust was earned and by government.

nonequals wrote:

SouthernmostIllini wrote:

Like I already posted a foggy response is justified when it’s all new. By Fauci and even more so by Trump who’s getting advice from him. Over a year into the pandemic for Fauci to not know the effects of a prior infection after millions have recovered? He’s either grossly incompetent or lying and since they were pimping the vaccines…I’ll take Option 2.

We know you would, because you've already displayed your lack of intellect/perception by constructing a conspiracy theory, or thereabouts.

And the government that you think purposely screwed it up was RUN by Trump.

And for that - and everything that the rest of us saw him say and do - you label him.....wait for it.....INCONSISTENT. Yeah, that was it, just inconsistent. It was Fauci and those horrible scientists and doctors and government bureaucrats who were the real evil ones.

I love you guys who think that you're SO smart because you sniffed out a conspiracy that wasn't there, but somehow CAN'T see a guy like Trump coming from many, many miles away. The intellectual delusion is tremendous.

nonequals wrote:

SouthernmostIllini wrote:

Like I already posted a foggy response is justified when it’s all new. By Fauci and even more so by Trump who’s getting advice from him. Over a year into the pandemic for Fauci to not know the effects of a prior infection after millions have recovered? He’s either grossly incompetent or lying and since they were pimping the vaccines…I’ll take Option 2.

We know you would, because you've already displayed your lack of intellect/perception by constructing a conspiracy theory, or thereabouts.

And the government that you think purposely screwed it up was RUN by Trump.

And for that - and everything that the rest of us saw him say and do - you label him.....wait for it.....INCONSISTENT. Yeah, that was it, just inconsistent. It was Fauci and those horrible scientists and doctors and government bureaucrats who were the real evil ones.

I love you guys who think that you're SO smart because you sniffed out a conspiracy that wasn't there, but somehow CAN'T see a guy like Trump coming from many, many miles away. The intellectual delusion is tremendous.

SouthernmostIllini wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

TRADITIONAL Conservatives are needed, not these Trumper idiots. TRADITIONAL Conservatives at least TALK a good game when it comes to fiscal responsibility and smaller government, but I have yet to see one actually implement it. IF a conservative were to actually do that, and IF they stopped the hatred against anyone who isn't Christian, white and/or straight, and IF they were for reasonable gun control laws, and IF they were for liberty for ALL people including women, then I'd be inclined to vote for one.

Traditional Republicans believed in the rule of law, legal immigration (and actually illegal immigration too which I do NOT agree with), fiscal responsibility, free markets, personal freedom/liberty (beyond just gun ownership). I'm on board with all of that (guns need to be restricted more than they are though, but they should not be illegal in this country).

BUT, the bottom began to fall out during Reagan's Administration. Rampant overspending became normalized with him. He courted and brought the Religious Right (mainly Christians) into the party, and with that, people who have intellects that make them prone to beyond nutso conspiracy theories, who reject science, and who believe they are victims and that everyone is out to get them, so racism and a whole bunch of other isms were fertilized and watered.

There really are only a handful of "Conservatives" left in the country who are even remotely decent people.

John Kasich

George Will

George Conway

Mitt Romney

I'd be hard-pressed to think of more. Liz Cheney is just right about Trump...she's wrong about everything else (well, she did come around on LGBT people and apologized for having been wrong, so props to her there too).

I’d vote for someone that fit your description. And I did vote for Kasich when I lived in Ohio. Second best governor I’ve ever had. DeSantis is the best unless you chose to believe all the misinformation about him. Most conservatives don’t hate anyone unless you think respecting and not pandering to people is hating. it is not.

Thats a small list you have and the list of liberals that are worthwhile candidates is even smaller.

SouthernmostIllini wrote:

nonequals wrote:

We know you would, because you've already displayed your lack of intellect/perception by constructing a conspiracy theory, or thereabouts.

And the government that you think purposely screwed it up was RUN by Trump.

And for that - and everything that the rest of us saw him say and do - you label him.....wait for it.....INCONSISTENT. Yeah, that was it, just inconsistent. It was Fauci and those horrible scientists and doctors and government bureaucrats who were the real evil ones.

I love you guys who think that you're SO smart because you sniffed out a conspiracy that wasn't there, but somehow CAN'T see a guy like Trump coming from many, many miles away. The intellectual delusion is tremendous.

Not going to address how Fauci could not know the effects of a previous infection on natural immunity after millions had already recovered? There are lots more examples of how the response was mismanaged but you’re not open minded. You are mindless. Tell me you’re not a product of the American higher education system?

I'm actually thinking you haven’t even provided one example of Trump’s egregious behavior in regard to covid. Doesn’t make for a winning argument.