This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
Or the other excuse from their side, "we don't know how to read data."
Because you've proven repeatedly you have no idea even how to download data let alone how to read it. Let's see you download PJ's data. I'll wait.....until the next century
We don't need to download it! It's right there on the page. The data we have is sufficient... It's more than 20,000k of nonsense over 5 years, by two different guys in over six events. Your excuse that we're somehow reading it wrong is a non-starter. Why on earth would all these companies put out duff, berserk, physiologically impossible data, that only reads true when you "download" it. They wouldn't, and we all know it.
And why is it that the data comes out 99% clean for everyone else, but only 10% clean for Balenger and Goodge? I'll wait too! You never explain, you just hide behind your absurd theory that somehow if we downloaded the data it would suddenly give them human pulses.
Anyway, the great news is that unlike Balenger and Goodge, Pete and Paul are proper serious runners, who do proper serious training, and have proper, serious heart rates, which affirms they're absolutely belting it out there.
You can have your heroes in WG and RB who run 6-8min Ks off 89-1110, but I'll take Pete and Paul thanks.
Interestingly in his latest podcast appearance WG says the JOGLE video is no longer on Youtube as the rights got pulled down as it was through a sponsor.
That Jogle video made it quite obvious to any experienced multiday runner that Goodge was cheating. It was a Rocky style comeback from the dead that quite simply doesn't happen. He could barely walk, then suddenly he's running at world class speed on a very low heart rate!
Sadly, the new thread was deleted. This is a new transcon attempt, it deserves its own thread.
On what grounds was the new thread deleted?
It's absolutely requires a new thread because the title of this thread raises the question of cheating, and nobody is accusing Paul Johnson of cheating. Just setting unrealistic goals for financial gain.
Or the other excuse from their side, "we don't know how to read data."
Because you've proven repeatedly you have no idea even how to download data let alone how to read it. Let's see you download PJ's data. I'll wait.....until the next century
You have repeatedly declined to explain what you mean by "downloading the data" in the terms you mean and the exact steps to do this. I can download data but it is worthless so being a developer I went to do it properly using the API but quite obviously you need the authentication to access someone else's data.
As you can't define what you mean and detail the steps you use I can only conclude that you don't actually know.
Sadly, the new thread was deleted. This is a new transcon attempt, it deserves its own thread.
On what grounds was the new thread deleted?
It's absolutely requires a new thread because the title of this thread raises the question of cheating, and nobody is accusing Paul Johnson of cheating. Just setting unrealistic goals for financial gain.
Paul Johnson Day 1-2 report.
It has been a magnificent effort, with a thumping heart of 140-160 and cantering along at speeds rarely to be found in nature. To be sure the world of multidaying has found "something"; we just don't know quite what it is yet.
For the show to be on the road after two days PJ had to be at the absolute minimum at Morongo Valley, some 240k/150m from Santa Monica pier. And as the bell tolled 0800 PST he was right flush in the middle of Morongo. In other words the first 48 hours nailed dead centre.
But there are four pieces of news that aren't so rosy. A rather worried looking physio giving him intense massage, a nosebleed out of nowhere, two really bad pieces of route-finding snafus, which included a huge detour in and around Palm Springs and getting kicked off an Indian Reservation.
But vitally it would appear that progress on this 3rd morning has been troubled - maybe 17 miles in 4.5 hours - they're have tracker issues. PJ made up some 14 miles on himself yesterday by the 24 hour buzzer [89 miles], which meant he could relax into the last 10 hours of the day and not panic at "only" finding 49 miles.
But today whilst technically on target, which means no buffer and a grim 58-60 more miles to find today, and that's having been on the go since 0330.
And the fourth piece of bad news is that the road up to Yukka is truly yukky and tomorrow is slated by some to be the worst of the entire event. Some have been known to quit around here, with the desert crossing, blind turns, no shoulder, loads of boating traffic and ankle deep gravel.
In 48 hours he must have reached Parker, nothing else really will do. The preamble is over, the Transcon World record attempt starts here!
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Sadly, the new thread was deleted. This is a new transcon attempt, it deserves its own thread.
On what grounds was the new thread deleted?
It's absolutely requires a new thread because the title of this thread raises the question of cheating, and nobody is accusing Paul Johnson of cheating. Just setting unrealistic goals for financial gain.
It's absolutely requires a new thread because the title of this thread raises the question of cheating, and nobody is accusing Paul Johnson of cheating. Just setting unrealistic goals for financial gain.
No idea. I was banned for a month doing this.
Well, we're 7hrs30 into the day, and circa 30 miles logged and he's been on poles, up a climb yes, but it's hardly the Raid on Entebbe.
This day could be savage. Add in the 15+ miles of route snafus and he's nearly marathon or so behind already - his nonsense about being 11 miles up on schedule is just that. 45 hours to get to Parker, I don't see how he gets close. And even then he's only "on course" for 10% of the race.
Well, we're 7hrs30 into the day, and circa 30 miles logged and he's been on poles, up a climb yes, but it's hardly the Raid on Entebbe.
This day could be savage. Add in the 15+ miles of route snafus and he's nearly marathon or so behind already - his nonsense about being 11 miles up on schedule is just that. 45 hours to get to Parker, I don't see how he gets close. And even then he's only "on course" for 10% of the race.
There's a very strong tailwind the next two days. If there are miles left in his legs it should do well to prop him up.
I keep seeing this as such a missed opportunity and is fairly frustrating. Having an experienced crew captain could have put him 30 miles further for the same amount of energy. Road closures happen, but the Indian reservation mistake is beyond inexcusable, and the palm springs scenic route arguably put him in a headwind this morning. If he had taken the shorter route he might have finished a decent way up the climb (or walked the climb out while eating dinner) before the winds picked up.
Its always good to have some extra fitness in the legs for this exact reason. A 25 mph sustained tailwind would realistically enable some 85+ mile days for the next two days. You almost have to take advantage of it.
60k up today - that's halfway, in 9.5 hours. If he has a 15 hour day, that'll be circa 100k for a 14 mile shortfall. The prediction I sent to him had him shortfalling by 3 miles on day 6.
Will be an intriguing next 6 hours, as will the media that comes out of their camp, which is currently precious little info except him snapping at the camera and saying, "I don't care!" [about his slower pace], and some Hollywood production values of him Nordic walking. WG had solid media guys, but this is top notch stuff.
My man is in a world of hurt at the moment. I predict a media spin from the previously overly positive coverage to "Sometimes life knocks you down, but this is how you keep moving forward no matter the pace".
I think most people have been there before in races, when you realize that the race is not going to go as planned, and life is about to suck. Luckily the longest I've had to go after that realization was only another 60 miles.
The weird thing is I bet he would have still gotten the majority of his sponsors and media if he would have doubled down on the veterans mental health with the US Navy and Team RWB and less on record or bust.
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I don't think I care so much about his demeanor, so much as disrespecting the distance and the standard. His ultrasignup has him as a very mediocre ultrarunner in his 20s. Anyone who has trained for something like this and succeeded was winning competitive 100+ mile races and doing what he did in training (120+ mpw minimum, which he barely covered), but 2 minutes per mile faster. Obviously there is a lot of slack in ultrarunning between ability and execution, and many races that went "great" for even the elites have their own pitfalls. But it seems like he's grasping already, which is what others have done. Can he reconcile that with such little 100+ mile experience is TBD.
We're very early in the piece but the unraveling has begun. PJ claims to be only 1 mile behind, but he's more like 35, after just 63 miles. There have been at least 15 miles of poor routing, and let's face it, Twenty nine palms is not that far from LA - about 150 miles. And three days have been used up. Yes, he has that little window to make time up between 0330-0800 every day, but he loses three of those hours with the time changes - make that 4 as the clocks are going forward soon as well.
The stubborn fact is that PK has taken 32 miles out of him in the 3 days - and he'll just keep on pounding away, we already know what PK does on day 4: 73 miles at 6:16 off an HR of 140. Follow that. Simply peerless multidaying.
Giving PJ a goal every 4 days breaks the run down much easier and we have a better idea where things are at, because a lot that comes from the camp is smoke and mirrors. The day 4 goal of Parker is too generous - he needs quite a bit more. The ghost town of Bouse, population 770 is more like it - 13 miles before it to be exact. But that's a whopping 18 miles on from Parker - 118 miles from where's he's currently at, and a little over a day's running to get there.
Pete Kostelnick has popped up and is now commenting freely across PJ's various platforms and will chaperone in AZ. It is a disgrace that his name has been mentionned so little by PJs camp this past 4 months. All it's been is "world record, world record, world record." But never, "this is a legendary record, that was 26 years in the making, set by a great ultra runner at the top of his game, who absolutely nailed it dead centre, and has 48 miles over me for the 24 hour run..."
Yes, so many have asked to see WGs Whoop and he simply refuses to share it, despite going on to Rich Roll to say he had shared it, which was a mistruth. It's interesting how much Mr Roll has been drawn into the saga, as he tended to rather distance himself from the whole biz, but then turned out to be great mates with Balenger, and used to live with their cameraman Robinson. I now see that he was photographed with, and in deep discussion, with WG on day 1 of his Transcon.
Yes, the tracking was a joke and a farce. Their absurd excuses for him not be tracked changed on a daily basis.
Yes, Paul route-finding by Garmin was pointed out as a blunder by a Transconner yesterday, who wrote to me:
They didn't scout the route very well. They are doing at least 10 more miles than necessary on day 1/2. The climb to Morongo Valley is treacherous. He won't have an entourage on that one. I cut through a windmill farm. They are going all the way into Palm Springs for some reason. I only mention this because he seems to be just following the map on his Garmin.
In hindsight, with all the information available, another smoking gun with WG's run is the consistency of the inconsistencies. At every level, nothing really made sense, even down to the glimpse of Whoop data.
Yes, so many have asked to see WGs Whoop and he simply refuses to share it, despite going on to Rich Roll to say he had shared it, which was a mistruth. It's interesting how much Mr Roll has been drawn into the saga, as he tended to rather distance himself from the whole biz, but then turned out to be great mates with Balenger, and used to live with their cameraman Robinson. I now see that he was photographed with, and in deep discussion, with WG on day 1 of his Transcon.
Yes, the tracking was a joke and a farce. Their absurd excuses for him not be tracked changed on a daily basis.
Yes, Paul route-finding by Garmin was pointed out as a blunder by a Transconner yesterday, who wrote to me:
They didn't scout the route very well. They are doing at least 10 more miles than necessary on day 1/2. The climb to Morongo Valley is treacherous. He won't have an entourage on that one. I cut through a windmill farm. They are going all the way into Palm Springs for some reason. I only mention this because he seems to be just following the map on his Garmin.
In hindsight, with all the information available, another smoking gun with WG's run is the consistency of the inconsistencies. At every level, nothing really made sense, even down to the glimpse of Whoop data.
Nice to see you again - been a while. Yes, the year that's passed has told us so much. The refusal to engage, the horror run in Cali etc. But the great thing with Paul is the authenticity. We've already seen far more drama, suffering, horror, and discombobulation than WG's entire run, to whom quite simply NOTHING happened. No drama, no sagas, nothing went wrong, just one perfect day following the next.
He would just put b/s descriptions of Kostelnickesque days like: "never did like math, we've been holding back..." or the next day the curt, "backed it," or the bonkers 112k day: "big f*cking day." Paul has given us an amazingly colourful essay today, and Jenny Hoffman did the same, with a page of descriptions per day.
Already Paul has suffered from heatstroke, sunburn, sore throat, stomach pain, nose bleed, monsoons, sandstorms, and three route-finding snafus.
In other words just a normal piece of multidaying, all at a rock steady 120-160bpm. The great Don Ritchie's descriptions of his Jogle tie into all this. Horrible suffering right from the off - really graphic stuff.
Here's to real life - it may not be pretty, but it's positively beautiful compared to last year's rubbish.
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In other words just a normal piece of multidaying, all at a rock steady 120-160bpm. The great Don Ritchie's descriptions of his Jogle tie into all this. Horrible suffering right from the off - really graphic stuff.
Here's to real life - it may not be pretty, but it's positively beautiful compared to last year's rubbish.
Spending more than like two hours at 160bpm would leave me on the floor, begging to be put down like Ol' Yeller. This dude's in the for the ride of his life.
willvlc wrote: Already Paul has suffered from heatstroke, sunburn, sore throat, stomach pain, nose bleed, monsoons, sandstorms, and three route-finding snafus.
Road closures & route-finding snafus are part of the game. I'm impressed he made it out of LA at all on foot. I wanted to run LA to Boston, but my A+ route-scouter Cinder spent 12 hours driving all over SoCal the day before our planned start and determined it was unsafe/impossible, so the rest of my A+ crew drove our RV & crew car overnight to SF for a 5am start the next morning.
It's a hard but rewarding journey. I wish him well. (But I do wish somebody had given me free shoes. Hoka, if you're listening, I have 600+ miles on my current pair and could use some new ones!)
Putting a "Projected Finish" time on his website 3 hours into day 4 is surely a choice.
I'd say a linear extrapolation based on the average pace is a bad idea as it ignores the challenges of hilly days or bad weather, or slow times through cities due to stop lights... But then again Paul also ignored all those when he set his goal to hammer out exactly 75 miles per day.
14.05 miles in 3 hours today, Paul went to the poles pretty quickly. This is one of the days where 75 needs to be fairly smooth. Straight desert roads, downhill most of the day with a very strong tailwind. Optimal conditions for a 75 mile day to recover the legs a bit.
Putting a "Projected Finish" time on his website 3 hours into day 4 is surely a choice.
I'd say a linear extrapolation based on the average pace is a bad idea as it ignores the challenges of hilly days or bad weather, or slow times through cities due to stop lights... But then again Paul also ignored all those when he set his goal to hammer out exactly 75 miles per day.
14.05 miles in 3 hours today, Paul went to the poles pretty quickly. This is one of the days where 75 needs to be fairly smooth. Straight desert roads, downhill most of the day with a very strong tailwind. Optimal conditions for a 75 mile day to recover the legs a bit.
Yes, with friends like that... the projected finish gimmick will be an almighty nuisance and play havoc with strategy, confidence, elan and self-belief. If it's only taking into account miles logged it's way off. This morning it jumped from 40-42 days, now back to 40.9.
The 14 miles in 3 hours has become a grim 22 in 4:57. Allowing for 90 minutes worth of rest, that's circa an 18:30 day. The footage of him in the last clip looking deeply depressed and washed out is an odd choice by the media team; what are they trying to convey there? It seems to be a case of: we need footage of Paul... but he looks like he's about to cry... meh, f*ck it.
A crucial 6 hours coming up. Needs to find a solid 30 miles, or else this could be Goodnight Vienna.
Hi Jenny, many thanks for the post and huge congrats for your truly brilliant run. A stunning feat.
Fascinating stuff about route finding, and with all the resources they had available, to give back around 3 hours to the course so quickly is a poor show.
And I hear your Hoka plea a lot. Great runners like yourself craving more help from the companies whilst novice rookies like Goodge and Johnson simply drown in free swag. The 16 free pairs of state of the art shoes is stunning overkill, and a bit of a moral outrage.
As a GB International said last year about WG when he ran with him: "the amount of money and infrastructure behind him is incredible. It all felt like a movie. Meanwhile, I'm Team GB and I'm broke."