Oh Republicans what happened to you? You were conned by a snake oil salesman is what happened. Please come back to normal. Please. We actually need you.
Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 @RonFilipkowski Imaging telling someone in 2016 that the people Republicans will hate the most in 2022 are Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, John McCain and George Bush.
What happened is people got tired of their endless wars and failure to do basic things for American's like secure the border
And Rs you might not want to appear ignorant by making up stuff about this plan.
NYT analysis (not a news story) suggests that this is a highly targeted program to help middle class and lower.
WASHINGTON — The big winners from President Biden’s plan to forgive hundreds of billions of dollars in student loans are not rich graduates of Harvard and Yale, as many critics claim. In fact, the benefits of Mr. Biden’s proposals will fall squarely on the middle class.
According to independent analyses, the people eligible for debt relief are disproportionately young and Black. And they are concentrated in the middle band of Americans by income, defined as households earning between $51,000 and $82,000 a year. But in choosing to extend more generous debt relief than even many of his allies had expected, Mr. Biden is offering what independent analyses suggest would be his most targeted assistance yet to middle-class workers, while attempting to repair what he casts as a broken bridge to the middle class for young people across the country. The people who will benefit from Mr. Biden’s plans, announced on Wednesday, defy the caricatures that critics have painted — at least the ones based on class and pedigree.
Oh Republicans what happened to you? You were conned by a snake oil salesman is what happened. Please come back to normal. Please. We actually need you.
Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 @RonFilipkowski Imaging telling someone in 2016 that the people Republicans will hate the most in 2022 are Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, John McCain and George Bush.
What happened is people got tired of their endless wars and failure to do basic things for American's like secure the border
Ha! You think trump policy is why he is the most beloved R since Reagan? Trump ended no wars and did not build the wall. You are going to have to come up with something else.
It wasn't any kind of policy that made Rs love Trump. I mean come on - you people say Trump is a normal conservative whose only bad habit is mean tweets.
Truth is, Trump let the Rs be who they really wanted to be all the time: Really bad Americans .
This is a strange and surprising back and forth to have on this topic. My only guess is that maybe we're talking about two different groups of people?
Surely, my assertion that a large fraction of the 70-something million who voted for him have above-average intelligence couldn't be in question, could it? Or, flipped the other way, you're not saying that just about all of that group has well below average intelligence, right?
The other possibility is that you're only talking about his core group of mouth-breathers, a good sampling of which showed up on 6 Jan? I would agree that that slice could likely be much less intelligent than the voted-for-him average. Still though, I can EASILY imagine that tons of people in that mob are quite intelligent and/or have lived quite decent and successful lives.
Pulling back, here's another way to look at it: There are fundamentally 2 groups of Trump supporters:
1) Those ACTUALLY too dumb to see him for what he is. As many dumb f**** as there are out there (I recently passed half a century wandering around here, so please don't tell me I don't know), I still don't think that this explains MOST of the total Trump group.
2) Those smart enough to see what he is, but STILL prefer him for a host of reasons, with the main one probably being an intense dislike for most or all things "liberal." This group includes just about every R politician and official in this country, and tens of millions of reasonably intelligent and/or reasonably well-educated voters.
And I will admit that featured prominently in this latter group is a flavor of stupidity that causes one to improperly weigh the importance of issues - e.g., transgender bathrooms vs. honesty, or marginal differences [maybe!] in illegal immigration versus democracy, or PC/woke crap versus intentionally flubbing a pandemic, etc., etc.
And while this form of stupidity drives me crazy, I still think that it falls more in a "blind spot stupidity" category (populated by LOTS of smart and/or well-educated people), rather than something found ONLY in the truly, uniformly, REALLY dumb group of folks you're talking about.
Lastly, where I think that I will fully agree with you regards rural America. The Trump era sure seems to show that the intellectual disrespect given to the average hayseed in your average rural town or field was......way more deserved than we might have hoped. Red county, dumb f*** county.....ROUGHLY speaking.
Stupid is as stupid does. A vote for or a support of Donald Trump is an affront to our Democratic Republic. It is anti-American. It is dangerous. Donald Trump should not be in charge of anything that affects even a single person other than himself, and to support him on ANY level shows incredible stupidity. There is NO reason that justifies supporting that POS criminal moron. You said in another post that you clearly "gave the American populace WAY too much credit." YES! Go with that. You are giving Trumpers too much credit that there can be ANYTHING other that massive stupidity to be that way.
Again, my position on this has evolved over time. Back in 2016, I clearly did not like him, but I had NO IDEA he was the criminal man he is. I have NO IDEA how absolutely stupid he was. I had NO IDEA how bad of a businessman he has actually been all these years. He's a moron. He never read anything they gave him when he was in the White House unless they peppered his name throughout or it had nice big pictures. He spent most of his day watching television or spending millions of dollars of taxpayer money going golfing, but of course the biggest two things are:
1) He invited and incited the insurrectionists to try to stop the official counting of electoral votes in an effort to overturn our election.
2) He STOLE top secret and classified material INCLUDING nuclear weapons secrets from the US Government, didn't return all of the materials when asked nicely to, refused to return the rest when in discussions with the DOJ with his lawyer present, ignored one subpoena to return the material and then ignored a second subpoena before they finally had no choice but to issue a search warrant. Nothing any President or former President has done even REMOTELY approaches this level of criminality.
So yeah, ANYONE who supports Trump for ANY reason is a moron of epic proportions, WITHOUT exception.
Anyone who supports Biden lives in an alternate reality. Our sputtering economy, lack of leadership, the open border, the refusal to take full advantage of our domestic energy production, the embracement of socialist principles and the incessant pandering to the "woke" will be the downfall to our republic. Thankfully, the start in the right direction begins on election night 2022.
Stupid is as stupid does. A vote for or a support of Donald Trump is an affront to our Democratic Republic. It is anti-American. It is dangerous. Donald Trump should not be in charge of anything that affects even a single person other than himself, and to support him on ANY level shows incredible stupidity. There is NO reason that justifies supporting that POS criminal moron. You said in another post that you clearly "gave the American populace WAY too much credit." YES! Go with that. You are giving Trumpers too much credit that there can be ANYTHING other that massive stupidity to be that way.
Again, my position on this has evolved over time. Back in 2016, I clearly did not like him, but I had NO IDEA he was the criminal man he is. I have NO IDEA how absolutely stupid he was. I had NO IDEA how bad of a businessman he has actually been all these years. He's a moron. He never read anything they gave him when he was in the White House unless they peppered his name throughout or it had nice big pictures. He spent most of his day watching television or spending millions of dollars of taxpayer money going golfing, but of course the biggest two things are:
1) He invited and incited the insurrectionists to try to stop the official counting of electoral votes in an effort to overturn our election.
2) He STOLE top secret and classified material INCLUDING nuclear weapons secrets from the US Government, didn't return all of the materials when asked nicely to, refused to return the rest when in discussions with the DOJ with his lawyer present, ignored one subpoena to return the material and then ignored a second subpoena before they finally had no choice but to issue a search warrant. Nothing any President or former President has done even REMOTELY approaches this level of criminality.
So yeah, ANYONE who supports Trump for ANY reason is a moron of epic proportions, WITHOUT exception.
Anyone who supports Biden lives in an alternate reality. Our sputtering economy, lack of leadership, the open border, the refusal to take full advantage of our domestic energy production, the embracement of socialist principles and the incessant pandering to the "woke" will be the downfall to our republic. Thankfully, the start in the right direction begins on election night 2022.
Your continued ramblings are a hoot.
See you in November indeed.
‘Women are registering to vote in Pennsylvania in numbers far exceeding men since the Supreme Court overturned Roe. Of the women who've registered since the decision, there are four Democrats for every Republican.’
And Rs you might not want to appear ignorant by making up stuff about this plan.
NYT analysis (not a news story) suggests that this is a highly targeted program to help middle class and lower.
WASHINGTON — The big winners from President Biden’s plan to forgive hundreds of billions of dollars in student loans are not rich graduates of Harvard and Yale, as many critics claim. In fact, the benefits of Mr. Biden’s proposals will fall squarely on the middle class.
According to independent analyses, the people eligible for debt relief are disproportionately young and Black. And they are concentrated in the middle band of Americans by income, defined as households earning between $51,000 and $82,000 a year. But in choosing to extend more generous debt relief than even many of his allies had expected, Mr. Biden is offering what independent analyses suggest would be his most targeted assistance yet to middle-class workers, while attempting to repair what he casts as a broken bridge to the middle class for young people across the country. The people who will benefit from Mr. Biden’s plans, announced on Wednesday, defy the caricatures that critics have painted — at least the ones based on class and pedigree.
Wow NYT finally attempting to defend this thing. The plan is illegal. He doesn't have the authority to do it without an act of congress. In a constitutional republic that follows laws and norms, that would be the end of the discussion.
Besides being outrageously unfair to those of us who paid our loans and aggravating college costs more, the benefits clearly skew to the upper-middle class. According to the Penn-Wharton Budget Model, The bottom quintile of Americans get 10% of the benefit, the 4th quintile (roughly 82k-141k) get the largest share at roughly 28%. And they tend to be on the young side, meaning they have higher earning potential. Almost like it was "targeted" not at the poor, but at the Democrats' ascendant voting base. It will cost about $330 billion.
Oh Republicans what happened to you? You were conned by a snake oil salesman is what happened. Please come back to normal. Please. We actually need you.
Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 @RonFilipkowski Imaging telling someone in 2016 that the people Republicans will hate the most in 2022 are Liz Cheney, Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, John McCain and George Bush.
What happened is people got tired of their endless wars and failure to do basic things for American's like secure the border
Very few really gave a cr** about whether we were, or weren't in Afghanistan. And if anything, Rs probably skew towards having wanted to stay. And, of course, he didn't come close to securing the border (cuz, you know, it's hard no matter what letter is after you name, and he's neither capable nor committed [to anything but himself]).
But, hey, let's play along: "Attention dumb a** Americans, I'll give you an autocrat wanna-be utter piece of sh** for POTUS, and in return you'll get 2.5K troops out of AFG and PERHAPS a few less illegal immigrants coming in. How's that sound ?!"
And you and Gary and Sally and the others scream - "HELL YEAH !!!!!!"
There’s an old saying – you can’t argue with results. There’s another old saying – give credit where credit is due. The Democrat convention portrayed President Trump as lazy and disengaged, but nothing could be further from t...
This is a strange and surprising back and forth to have on this topic. My only guess is that maybe we're talking about two different groups of people?
Surely, my assertion that a large fraction of the 70-something million who voted for him have above-average intelligence couldn't be in question, could it? Or, flipped the other way, you're not saying that just about all of that group has well below average intelligence, right?
The other possibility is that you're only talking about his core group of mouth-breathers, a good sampling of which showed up on 6 Jan? I would agree that that slice could likely be much less intelligent than the voted-for-him average. Still though, I can EASILY imagine that tons of people in that mob are quite intelligent and/or have lived quite decent and successful lives.
Pulling back, here's another way to look at it: There are fundamentally 2 groups of Trump supporters:
1) Those ACTUALLY too dumb to see him for what he is. As many dumb f**** as there are out there (I recently passed half a century wandering around here, so please don't tell me I don't know), I still don't think that this explains MOST of the total Trump group.
2) Those smart enough to see what he is, but STILL prefer him for a host of reasons, with the main one probably being an intense dislike for most or all things "liberal." This group includes just about every R politician and official in this country, and tens of millions of reasonably intelligent and/or reasonably well-educated voters.
And I will admit that featured prominently in this latter group is a flavor of stupidity that causes one to improperly weigh the importance of issues - e.g., transgender bathrooms vs. honesty, or marginal differences [maybe!] in illegal immigration versus democracy, or PC/woke crap versus intentionally flubbing a pandemic, etc., etc.
And while this form of stupidity drives me crazy, I still think that it falls more in a "blind spot stupidity" category (populated by LOTS of smart and/or well-educated people), rather than something found ONLY in the truly, uniformly, REALLY dumb group of folks you're talking about.
Lastly, where I think that I will fully agree with you regards rural America. The Trump era sure seems to show that the intellectual disrespect given to the average hayseed in your average rural town or field was......way more deserved than we might have hoped. Red county, dumb f*** county.....ROUGHLY speaking.
Stupid is as stupid does. A vote for or a support of Donald Trump is an affront to our Democratic Republic. It is anti-American. It is dangerous. Donald Trump should not be in charge of anything that affects even a single person other than himself, and to support him on ANY level shows incredible stupidity. There is NO reason that justifies supporting that POS criminal moron. You said in another post that you clearly "gave the American populace WAY too much credit." YES! Go with that. You are giving Trumpers too much credit that there can be ANYTHING other that massive stupidity to be that way.
Again, my position on this has evolved over time. Back in 2016, I clearly did not like him, but I had NO IDEA he was the criminal man he is. I have NO IDEA how absolutely stupid he was. I had NO IDEA how bad of a businessman he has actually been all these years. He's a moron. He never read anything they gave him when he was in the White House unless they peppered his name throughout or it had nice big pictures. He spent most of his day watching television or spending millions of dollars of taxpayer money going golfing, but of course the biggest two things are:
1) He invited and incited the insurrectionists to try to stop the official counting of electoral votes in an effort to overturn our election.
2) He STOLE top secret and classified material INCLUDING nuclear weapons secrets from the US Government, didn't return all of the materials when asked nicely to, refused to return the rest when in discussions with the DOJ with his lawyer present, ignored one subpoena to return the material and then ignored a second subpoena before they finally had no choice but to issue a search warrant. Nothing any President or former President has done even REMOTELY approaches this level of criminality.
So yeah, ANYONE who supports Trump for ANY reason is a moron of epic proportions, WITHOUT exception.
I probably shouldn't have to tell you this, but I really don't need to be convinced about how bad he is. Really.
The issue, I thought, was whether all of his supporters and/or voters are ACTUALLY intellectually dumb? Like, say, IQs well below 100, or some reasonably objective measure like that. You emphasized how many REALLY dumb Americans there are.
Unfortunately, perhaps, that simply doesn't fully explain the success of Trumpism.
The reality is that lots and lots of NOT objectively dumb Americans support and/or vote for Trump. From Senators with Ivy League law degrees to your successful, extremely well-educated neighbor (who appears to be an otherwise decent person and raised his or her kids well). Sad and bad as hell, and I certainly can't fully explain it.
If all of Trump's supporters had IQs far below 100 and acted like the worst in the mob on 6 Jan, our country wouldn't be in nearly as much trouble as it is.
Trump has achieved many of his goals, while surviving a corrupt impeachment investigation, hostility by a liberal press and a continuing pandemic of epic proportions.
Just ONE of Trumps acomplishments dwarfs ANYTHING Biden has done...WE BECAME A NET EXPORTER OF GAS AND OIL....Energy independence...Huge...from a National security standpoint and every other way...
The crazy thing about the diary is the trove of data the investigators seized from the press and how that data was handled. It definitely raises first amendment concerns. They seized data from months before the press even knew of the existence of the diary. It's a whole lotta law enforcement for one person's diary. It was questionable as to whether or not the diary could be considered abandoned property when she left it at her friend's house for more than 30 days (the only thing that would have been required to transfer ownership would be contacting the owner).
I just posted this in the other thread. This is so unfair to those who never got student loans.
You are not giving it away for free. You are transferring the debt from Judy, who benefited from the student loan and signed on and agreed to pay it back, to Jose who never went to college and is now being forced to pay $4,000 for a debt that Judy incurred and is now having $40,000 of that debt that she signed up for transferred to Jose who is making $40,,000. Judy has $40,000 more to apply to her retirement while Jose is burdened with a $4,000 debt for something he never signed on for and never benefited from. He is essentially helping pay for Judy's retirement.
I get it. Trump was a massively ineffective president.
On the other hand, Biden has been able to deliver big for Democrats.
Biden gets things done.
Everything Brandon gets done hurts Americans like me. He and the other Democrats want only to help the Americans who are lazy and don't want to work. The bleeding heart liberals don't care about hard work, love of God and patriotism. They want to export American jobs and welcome millions of unskilled workers who cannot speak English. They are not helping small businesses. The Democrats do not look out for people like me. I hate wokeism. I hate that the FBI only cares to screw over Trump and lets the unofficial advisor to the President, Hunter Biden, skate free. I paid off my loans and so did my friends. Now a bunch of rich brats have 10K to play online poker and bet on sports. It is not fair. It is not fair. It is not fair.
I get it. Trump was a massively ineffective president.
On the other hand, Biden has been able to deliver big for Democrats.
Biden gets things done.
Everything Brandon gets done hurts Americans like me. He and the other Democrats want only to help the Americans who are lazy and don't want to work. The bleeding heart liberals don't care about hard work, love of God and patriotism. They want to export American jobs and welcome millions of unskilled workers who cannot speak English. They are not helping small businesses. The Democrats do not look out for people like me. I hate wokeism. I hate that the FBI only cares to screw over Trump and lets the unofficial advisor to the President, Hunter Biden, skate free. I paid off my loans and so did my friends. Now a bunch of rich brats have 10K to play online poker and bet on sports. It is not fair. It is not fair. It is not fair.
But you don't mind the giveaways to rich corporations, right?
Everything Brandon gets done hurts Americans like me. He and the other Democrats want only to help the Americans who are lazy and don't want to work. The bleeding heart liberals don't care about hard work, love of God and patriotism. They want to export American jobs and welcome millions of unskilled workers who cannot speak English. They are not helping small businesses. The Democrats do not look out for people like me. I hate wokeism. I hate that the FBI only cares to screw over Trump and lets the unofficial advisor to the President, Hunter Biden, skate free. I paid off my loans and so did my friends. Now a bunch of rich brats have 10K to play online poker and bet on sports. It is not fair. It is not fair. It is not fair.
But you don't mind the giveaways to rich corporations, right?
Like what? You have to be more specific. Most corporate tax breaks are designed to encourage them to do certain things like go green, create certain types of jobs, build affordable housing, etc. (Democrats love passing these tax incentives and then complaining that corporations don't pay taxes.) But this loan forgiveness plan does the opposite, it rewards the wrong behavior on the borrowers and the schools.
