World's fastest man Christian Coleman faces potential whereabouts failure ban for 3 missed drug tests

semenyagoat wrote:

funny that the us. doping apologists are out in full force. For real the usa should be banned from sprinting including the 800m for constant doping violations and letting known dopers (beef eaters) run for them. Worse case than russia for sure

Do you understand that he didn't miss the test as in avoid the test....He was late by some minutes.

And he had already been tested 11 times this year, and 11 times last year. .....Does that sound like someone who is trying to avoid testing?

First of all, he is given the benefit of the doubt which is why he is only being penalized after the third missed drug test. The third.

Secondly, John Drummond said nothing in that post about Christian actually showing up and being denied the drug test. His version of the story ends with just explaining that Christian was in another facility. I don’t see where John stated that Christian showed back up to meet the drug testing officials five minutes or even one minute late and they denied him the test. I don’t see that anywhere in here.

And let me tell you, if you are over one hour late to work, and you work for me and my company, you are definitely fired. I’m cool with somebody being 10-15 minutes late on occasion. Even a half an hour. But if you are so late that you’re over an hour late to work three times then that’s a problem.

Yes, like I said, it’s a complete pain in the ass that you have to subject yourself to the drug testing and you have a one hour window. If you don’t like it, then don’t be a world-class sprinter.

Like I said, I’m not saying that he is taking Van substances. However, I am saying, it doesn’t matter how many times he had already been tested this year, the fact remains that you can take banned substances at any time and some of them can be completely flushed from your system within 24 hours.

Anabolic steroids are not the only band substance!

Trying to argue that the system is unfair, isn’t helping your cause. Christian trying to argue that the system isn’t fair isn’t helping his cost. The system is the system and you either abide by it or you find another line of work.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

semenyagoat wrote:

funny that the us. doping apologists are out in full force. For real the usa should be banned from sprinting including the 800m for constant doping violations and letting known dopers (beef eaters) run for them. Worse case than russia for sure

Do you understand that he didn't miss the test as in avoid the test....He was late by some minutes.

And he had already been tested 11 times this year, and 11 times last year. .....Does that sound like someone who is trying to avoid testing?

Who are you his PR firm?

Ps: How many times do you think Lance Armstrong’s tested?

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Do you understand that he didn't miss the test as in avoid the test....He was late by some minutes.

And he had already been tested 11 times this year, and 11 times last year. .....Does that sound like someone who is trying to avoid testing?

a) Unconfirmed rumor, hinted at by banned drug cheat coach Drummond.

b) Lol. "just tested by WADA/IAAF": exactly, right after a test; that's when many cheats load up, because normally you don't get tested twice in 48 hours.

In this context, always good to remember:

Dick Pound, ex WADA President:

"you can miss two tests simply by not answering the door if you're on something."

"There is no general appetite to undertake the effort and expense of a successful effort to deliver doping-free sport."

"There's this psychological aspect about it: nobody wants to catch anybody. There's no incentive. Countries are embarrassed if their nationals are caught. And sports are embarrassed if someone from their sport is caught."

Cool. Then according to your perception and argument, He is automatically guilty. So no need to have an adjudication whatsoever. No matter what argument is given, he is going to be perceived as guilty no matter how it is explained or argued.

Enjoy Gatlin on podium as the proud american that you are.

Bullcrap.

Yes, the system is flawed as it has been argued and explained by coaches and athletes, and even people within the association. There is this thing called logic and reasoning, and with this situation a huge amount of reasoning should have been given for an athlete who was on his was to be tested ( minutes away).

Other testers have stretched the time way beyond that. Hell, the Rollins situation where the tester showed up to her house, only for rollins to not be there, was willing to meet rollins at the airport later on in the day!

"The first violation came when she said she would be home in California from 7:00-8:00 AM on April 27, but at the Drake Relays April 27-30. The report says that "when reached by phone at 7:08 a.m., [Rollins] indicated that she was on her way to the airport for a flight." The drug tester then comes to the airport, but Rollins had already gone through security. The IAAF told Rollins immediately that this counted as a missed test and asked her to respond in writing, which her camp never did."

So it appears that each tester is different in approach, rollins was nowhere near her house, and at the airport. Coleman was minutes away. But the tester was being UNREASONABLE about it regardless of how many minutes away Coleman was. The rollins tester, when rollins was not at the place she was supposed to be, according to the rule, should have marked that as a missed test immediately.....not go to another place of meeting, which was not listed or give extra time.

Hopefully, Coleman's law representation argues that same situation if other athletes were given extra time, because that would be an infraction on the WADA's part , and could be an argument of favoritism or discrimination. Why were some athletes given extra time, as well as meet at new locations?

So cut the crap.

Kevin Hadsell wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Do you understand that he didn't miss the test as in avoid the test....He was late by some minutes.

And he had already been tested 11 times this year, and 11 times last year. .....Does that sound like someone who is trying to avoid testing?

Who are you his PR firm?

Ps: How many times do you think Lance Armstrong’s tested?

No not his PR firm, just giving an argument just like you are. period. You got the US Champion and biggest star in track and field at the moment, who is minutes away from the facility, WC And Olympics are coming up, and you are not willing to be reasonable with a few minutes?......But other testers have with other athletes?

Well, the only thing I can say is that I hope he wins his case. If not, well, it is what it is. And I guarantee you that there will be testing reform with this matter in the next 2 years or so. It is becoming too prevalent.

I Hope Coleman can win his appeal on the one missed test that's in question. Dammit. When are the other two names coming out

Yes, you're banned. And if it was the week of the US Nationals, why did you tell them you'd be in Baltimore?

rojo wrote:

"Robert, this is WADA . We are in Baltimore where you said you be available for drug testing but don't see you. Can you come outside?"

"What? You're in Baltimore? It's the week of US nationals and I'm there.

When Coleman set the then thought to be world record in the 60 meter dash last year at the Clemson

Invite he drove 2 hours to Atlanta to take a drug test . Also, the Daily Mail is a British Tabloid . Has anyone

even thought to question the veracity of the story they published ? Dogs eat whatever their owner's

feed them...

Again. Drummond never said anything about him being denied the test or how long it took for him to come back out. If you think about it logically, how big can this facility possibly be that Christian, one of the fastest humans on the planet, can’t make his way back out to the track within 30 minutes?

In addition, if Drummond wasn’t standing there arguing then how did the paperwork he claims to have had to show the recent test magically appear? Does he carry these around with him in his back pocket? Or did he waste 30 minutes arguing with the guy digging out drug testing paperwork instead of just going and getting Christian and telling him to come and take the test?

This is not going to lead to any reform. First of all Christian is not important enough for this to be groundbreaking. Secondly, this drug testing is not specific to track and field. This drug testing covers sports all over the world and I have never heard of someone missing three tests in one year until now in any sport.

In addition, as I said before, anabolic steroids are not the only band substance that they are looking for. It is completely conceivable that he could be taking something at practice to enhance his performance that would not necessarily show up in a drug test 24 hours later. The drug testing protocol is pretty cut and dry.

Do athletes and coaches complain about it? Yes of course they do. Is it an inconvenience to have to change your flight because you are a distance runner and can’t muster up a full sample for four hours after a race? Yeah that sucks.

If I am the world’s fastest man, I understand that I’m going to be highly scrutinized. If I also add to that then I’ve got two missed tests this year, I also understand that my scrutiny is going to be intensified. Why put yourself in that position?

I really couldn’t care less if he wins the appeal or if he loses it. If he is clean then he should be thankful the testing is this strict. International drug testing protocol is bigger than track and field and it is certainly bigger than Christian Coleman.

I’d love to hear the rest of the story Drummond is trying to push. How big is the facility that we are talking about? How far away from the track was the facility the Christian claims that he was in? Did anyone actually go and try to get Christian to come back to the track or did they just stand there and argue with the drug tester’s? Did Christian show up one minute or two minutes or 10 minutes late and they denied in the drug test? Drummond only telling us a portion of the story isn’t convincing enough.

Ps: i’m using my voice text so if there is poor grammar and spelling then just deal with it instead of focusing on that trying to divert attention away from the real issues.

We need the facts.

Wilfully leaving the place you said you would be during one hour is not random.

Only an emergency or removal against one’s will or by plausible deceit should count.

Other than that, it would have to be the unilateral fault of the tester.

Otherwise, CC will have to make a plea for discretion to be invoked, and discretion usually requires some equitable grounds.

Kinda wish Kevin Barbaro had some athletes to go sext, I mean athletes to coach right now.

BraveyNation brought to you by Champion wrote:

Kinda wish Kevin Barbaro had some athletes to go sext, I mean athletes to coach right now.

That’s the best you got? Please. It must be absolutely exhausting search button five or six times a day searching for my last name.

VroomVroom wrote:

I Hope Coleman can win his appeal on the one missed test that's in question. Dammit. When are the other two names coming out

Watching the 100m at the Worlds without CC would totally suck. And then no Olympics if a two year ban....ouch~~~~

The powers that be need to think about the sport just a little bit. Track is struggling as is.

This is your first time ever hearing of a track athlete missing three drug tests?

It happened to Brianna Rollins last year, the Olympic Champion in the women’s 100m hurdles. And even that was a huge ordeal for the world championships.

Mo Farah missed two tests.

Missing drug tests happens more than you think.

100m is the premier event in track and field and the Olympics in general.. This will be a huge ordeal, because anytime a top sprinter, especially an American sprinter, is associated with anything related to a drug test, it will be magnified. All you have to do is look at history. Marion, gay, Gatlin, Flo-jo(accusations).

Plus with the World Championships and the Olympics coming up, this will be the main story, even overseas, where track and field is more appreciated.

The only other person on coleman’s Level as a sprinter world wide is Lyle.

With that being said, it will put the protocol under a microscope, which will lead to discussions about the protocol, and should it be reformed.

America’s top sprinter missing the Olympics and WC? Plus Nike’s biggest track athlete? This will not go over smoothly and without some serious fighting.

I personally doubt that he will be suspended.

Clearly we all know about Rollins. I was talking in the context of all sports covered by WADA, I have never heard of athletes missing three tests except for track and field. Maybe it has happened? I don't think so because we would have likely heard anecdotal references to it by now.

We will see. WADA doesn't give two $hits who Christian Coleman is nor what he means to track and field. And they shouldn't. Their task to make sure everyone, in all sports, is playing by the same rules. If they make exceptions for one they then lose their credibility. It is not their job to adapt to the athletes, it is the athletes' job to adapt to their rules and procedures.

I, of anyone, can honestly say that I believe in rules. I believe people should follow those rules. When you break those rules, you own it, accept your punishment, and move on.

Curious not only to the exact circumstances behind the incident he is appealing, but also why we have not hear a single word about the other two tests he missed. Like I said, there are a lot of drugs and stimulants that are banned that can be taken from time to time and cleared within 24-48 hours.

I would bet he is suspended. Either way, it looks bad. If he is, it is another American male sprinter banned/suspended. If they grant his appeal, it is the Big Bad USA getting their way. USADA and WADA will want their protocols followed. Any deviation from that opens a Pandora's box for others to systematically skip tests and get away with various types of doping.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-7382801/Worlds-fastest-man-Christian-Coleman-missed-THREE-drugs-tests.html

If this is in fact the news that was hinted, it could very well disappear in the next month before Doha.

I am not an expert on anti-doling procedures, but even if he missed some tests, surely he took others and was cleared as clean then?

If the ban ends up being put on Coleman for this, we couldn’t rightfully say he was a doper and we’d still have to honor any past performances (WRs, WC medals, etc.)

It's not difficult to miss a test and the more successful you are, the easier it is to miss one. When you are a tier one pro athlete, there are a lot of demands on your time and you rely on a team of people for certain things. Unfortunately USADA only deals with the athlete and in theory, no one on your team can assist you with the whereabouts. There is a fair amount of athletes who have missed 2 tests, but obviously much fewer than have missed one. In one year, about half of the Jamaican team missed at least one test and a large number missed 2 as well. I think Bolt missed 2 test one year. When you have 2 missed tests, what usually happens is someone is assigned to making sure you don't miss a third one. Like I said, it's fairly easy to miss one test, but missing three in a 12-month period by accident is really difficult. I am inclined to believe any athlete who miss 3 test is a doper. My mantra for life in general has always been:

The first time is - An accident

The second time is - A coincidence

The third time is - A pattern

Btw, from the grapevine, the only MASSIVE doping news is Coleman and that Coleman's group feels he has an legitimate argument for one of the missed test.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Then according to your perception and argument, He is automatically guilty. So no need to have an adjudication whatsoever.

He's not disputing missing three tests. He's not disputing being "guilty," only trying to argue that the rules shouldn't apply to him.

And don't try to sneak terms like "guilty" and "adjudication" like the rules of a sport are a courtroom where the rights of accused citizens apply. This isn't a matter of criminal law, or any kind of law, just the internal rules of a private organization.

In a sport, referees and officials enforce the rules, period.