Mo taking a page from Cavendish's playbook. And the IAAF predictably supports it.
chilhowee wrote:
just announced on NBC that Mead was denied his appeal to advance to the 5,000 final. But the replay on his fall clearly shows Mo Farah drifting over into Mead's legs and taking him down. Mead was tripped up by Farah and should be allowed to compete. More dubious edicts with athletes getting the shaft.
chilhowee wrote:
just announced on NBC that Mead was denied his appeal to advance to the 5,000 final. But the replay on his fall clearly shows Mo Farah drifting over into Mead's legs and taking him down. Mead was tripped up by Farah and should be allowed to compete. More dubious edicts with athletes getting the shaft.
The athlete clearly in front has the right of way. Do you expect them to look behind?? Mead was too close to Farah, and Farah has a long back kick, especially when they are spooling up the final 200. It was up to Mead to steer around Farah.
If the shoulder of a runner in lane two is only a few inches ahead of the runner in lane one, I would not expect the runner in lane two to have the right of way. Absolutely yes, I would expect them to glance over their left shoulder. Not barge in like a fking high schooler.
If Snell ran 1:44.3 and grass and was not doped, it is reasonable to think that in the next 50 years, people could run considerably faster without having to dope. So we cannot simply be suspicious of fast times.
We can come up with similar examples in every event.
Chunky McSpunky wrote:
BBC announcer just said there is a vibrant distance running community in the USA and that they'll be delighted with Jager's result.
Must be talking about LRC in some way?
Who knows. Great run!
they've talked about this board before without mentioning it by name. Cram reads, Foster doesn't.
I knew that appeal was going to be denied. If Mead had been tripped by anyone other than Mo, he'd been advanced to the final.
No shortcuts wrote:
I knew that appeal was going to be denied. If Mead had been tripped by anyone other than Mo, he'd been advanced to the final.
Another non-controversy to add to the Farah hate pile.
After watching the first 5000m several times, how has Mead not been allowed in the finals? Anybody who has ever run on the track knows that you can't just drift inside and expect people to move out of your way. Shame on Mo and the IOC.
I don't think Mo had any say in the decision. IOC at fault here. If they let Charlie Grice advance, they should let Mead advance as well. Very strange decision.
JAKIR wrote:
I'm just curious as to what has happened recently for you to think that the sport is cleaner? People are running faster than ever and Gatiln is running faster than his doped times. You're response is some smart ass remark about Snell. So again, I ask you, if people are breaking or coming close to breaking records that are thought to be doped, why do you think that the sport is cleaner now? Because Americans are in the mix? Yes of course people have been clean but again, a reporter of all people showed that he could easily beat his bio passport by micro dosing. You don't think that athletes can do that or are doing it?
There is still tons of doping in track and field, and there probably always has been. But what on earth about today's race would make you think it was particularly doped up? If Donn Cabral, a stubby guy with a 3:40/13:22 PRs can run 8:20, then why on earth wouldn't Jager, Kipruto, and Kemboi-- who look like they were designed by a higher power to run this specific event-- be able to run around 8:00? Steeple times, especially for Americans, have been soft forever. These guys are just bring the top performances in line with the rest of the events on the track. Even then, there are only 5-6 guys capable of those elite marks. If anything, I'd expect to see the steeple get much faster and more competitive over the next few years.
Who's Jaeger?
113 wrote:
JAKIR wrote:I'm just curious as to what has happened recently for you to think that the sport is cleaner? People are running faster than ever and Gatiln is running faster than his doped times. You're response is some smart ass remark about Snell. So again, I ask you, if people are breaking or coming close to breaking records that are thought to be doped, why do you think that the sport is cleaner now? Because Americans are in the mix? Yes of course people have been clean but again, a reporter of all people showed that he could easily beat his bio passport by micro dosing. You don't think that athletes can do that or are doing it?
There is still tons of doping in track and field, and there probably always has been. But what on earth about today's race would make you think it was particularly doped up? If Donn Cabral, a stubby guy with a 3:40/13:22 PRs can run 8:20, then why on earth wouldn't Jager, Kipruto, and Kemboi-- who look like they were designed by a higher power to run this specific event-- be able to run around 8:00? Steeple times, especially for Americans, have been soft forever. These guys are just bring the top performances in line with the rest of the events on the track. Even then, there are only 5-6 guys capable of those elite marks. If anything, I'd expect to see the steeple get much faster and more competitive over the next few years.
I wasn't referring to the steeple specifically. Steeple is soft compared to other records and events because it's an afterthought. I will say that most people think Cherono was a doper and Conseslus will probably break his record. I referred to the 1500m, the 800m and the marathon specifically and of course talked about Gatlin now running faster than his doped times. In addition, swimming is a total joke. Remember in Beijing how records were falling left and right and they were attributing it to the pool and the new swim suits? Now I'm these Olympics the records have been dropping even more. So we are to believe that records which were set with help from the "pool" and the "swimsuits" are now being broken by clean athletes just eight years later. There is no evidence whatsoever that track and field is any less doped than in the EPO heyday. We have a Briton who just can't seem to lose (Armstrong anyone?) and a constant assault on the marathon record and the 800m and 1500m are under constant threat. Since the 5000m in Paris there have been no other sub 12:50 races that I can think of more than anything because the talent is going where the money is which is the marathon. If you know anyone who is a professional athlete in anything, you will know that doping is rampant in everything from golf to the NBA to track and field. It's the way of the world. Jesus Christ, Kennedy was a Dr Brown patient as is Rupp. Yet every American is hard working and every African is suspect. Everyone is suspect.
Cherono was the real deal.
And let me add just one more thing. El G's 1500m record which is considered to be one of the most egregious examples of doping in the history of men's track and field (next to Komen's 3000m) is in jeopardy. Not only that but MORE ATHLETES are running sub 3:30 than ever. So I just find it hard to believe that testing is better or there is less drug use in the sport.
Manzana wrote:
Cherono was the real deal.
No idea if he was clean or not, but he was certainly a complete beast.
I remember feeling like it was such a let down that El G lost his first ever 5000m to Cherono. Fast forward a few years and El G runs the second 5000m of his career and smokes Bekele in the last 100m of the Olympic final and Cherono (now Saif Said Shaheen (sp)) has smashed the world record in the steeplechase and it didn't feel like such a disappointment for El G anymore!
Would have loved to have seen an all out 5k with pacesetters or someone taking it out hard between Cherono, El G, and Bekele when they were all in their primes.
Anyway, amazing run from Jager. It didn't bring a tear to my eye, but I can see why it would for someone. I've been trying to explain to my girlfriend throughout the games that having Americans like Huddle hanging with the Africans at Wr pace and Murphy and Jager and Simpson medalling seemed like an impossible dream when I was first getting into track (2001). American distance running has come a long way, and it all started with the high school studs of the late 90's/early 2000s breaking through those barriers and showing everyone that greatness is indeed possible for American running even now.
Finalists for mens 5000:
AUS ROBINSON Brett
BRN BALEW Birhanu ------------- born in Nigeria
BRN ROP Albert Kibichii ------------- born in Kenya
CAN AHMED Mohammed ------------- born in Somalia
ERI OSMAN Abrar
ETH GEBREMESKEL Dejen
ETH GEBRHIWET Hagos
ETH EDRIS Muktar
GBR BUTCHART Andrew
GBR FARAH Mohamed ------------- born in Somalia
PER TORRENCE David ------------- born in Japan, raised in USA
RSA GELANT Elroy
UGA CHEPTEGEI Joshua Kiprui
USA CHELIMO Paul Kipkemoi ------------- born in Kenya
USA LAGAT Bernard ------------- born in Kenya
Is this right?
Told you so!
Yo DC...did you see the replay? Farah was at fault. Approaching the final turn, Mo was in lane 2, with Mead occupying lane 1, maybe a half-step behind Farah, but nonetheless well within Farah's peripheral vision. As the turn began, Farah veered left directly into Mead's legs, not only taking Mead out, but almost himself. Farah was unmistakably to blame. Mead should have been allowed to advance.
Why was kemboi dq'ed?
Ultrahype wrote:
Why was kemboi dq'ed?
Stepping on the inside lane too many times.