Is there any NFL player that could currently run a 4:30 mile?

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6 years ago 12/11/2018 7:02am EST

re: Chris P

Chris P wrote:
The point you're missing is that the question is could any NFL player do it
It's reasonable to believe that there's probably a few guys in the NFL who with just there current training could go to a track and run around 4:30. Especially if that's all they had to do for a day
Again some of the top kick returners who have to stay in incredible running shape and aren't that bulky but focus more on running and Agility. It's reasonable that these guys can run continuously at a high rate of speed for 4 and 1/2 minutes and cover a mile
I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of running that top kick returners and wide receivers and cornerbacks have to do to be able to Sprint real fast continuously over an NFL game. These guys are running on every play at a reasonable speed and while yeah it's 30 40 50 yards a play to be able to do that for a full game you have to be able to have a great bass line of overall cardio and running Fitness

Chris P, I appreciate your rant, honestly. I come from a football background, I was an above average local player, never elite, so let's be clear about that. I ran the mile maybe twice a year, and was usually in the spring before our summer conditioning. I played hoops and strength trained primarily, as I ran hurdles, and running a mile to us was def "distance."

The spring of my junior year, I ran a 5:40 mile, with absolutely zero specific training, weighing 190 and squatting 400+ lbs during that time of my life.

I say that because while reading these threads, I am just thinking, "they really don't understand the caliber of athlete of a professional skill player in the NFL." They do a lot more running than people realize. Le'Veon Bell once stated in a workout video he ran over 4 miles in intervals during an off season training session. That's crazy for a 225 lb running back.

Once again, I ran a 5:40 at 17, nowhere near 4:30, I get that, but that was after heavy strength training in the morning, and simply just running hurdles and hoops all winter. As the local strength coach told me, "they absolutely could, these are freak professional athletes, some may need a bit of specific training, some might come damn close on the first try depending on their build and age."

6 years ago 12/11/2018 10:14am EST

re: never ending debate

never ending debate wrote:
Chris P wrote:
The point you're missing is that the question is could any NFL player do it
It's reasonable to believe that there's probably a few guys in the NFL who with just there current training could go to a track and run around 4:30. Especially if that's all they had to do for a day
Again some of the top kick returners who have to stay in incredible running shape and aren't that bulky but focus more on running and Agility. It's reasonable that these guys can run continuously at a high rate of speed for 4 and 1/2 minutes and cover a mile
I think a lot of people underestimate the amount of running that top kick returners and wide receivers and cornerbacks have to do to be able to Sprint real fast continuously over an NFL game. These guys are running on every play at a reasonable speed and while yeah it's 30 40 50 yards a play to be able to do that for a full game you have to be able to have a great bass line of overall cardio and running Fitness
Chris P, I appreciate your rant, honestly. I come from a football background, I was an above average local player, never elite, so let's be clear about that. I ran the mile maybe twice a year, and was usually in the spring before our summer conditioning. I played hoops and strength trained primarily, as I ran hurdles, and running a mile to us was def "distance."
The spring of my junior year, I ran a 5:40 mile, with absolutely zero specific training, weighing 190 and squatting 400+ lbs during that time of my life.
I say that because while reading these threads, I am just thinking, "they really don't understand the caliber of athlete of a professional skill player in the NFL." They do a lot more running than people realize. Le'Veon Bell once stated in a workout video he ran over 4 miles in intervals during an off season training session. That's crazy for a 225 lb running back.
Once again, I ran a 5:40 at 17, nowhere near 4:30, I get that, but that was after heavy strength training in the morning, and simply just running hurdles and hoops all winter. As the local strength coach told me, "they absolutely could, these are freak professional athletes, some may need a bit of specific training, some might come damn close on the first try depending on their build and age."

Nope. All this talk about how great of an athlete NFL players are is true. Which makes it exactly why they could not run a 4:30 mile without specific training. They are basically very coordinated sprinters. James Lofton and Carl Lewis ran 800m in 2:00 at the superstars challenge. Lofton trained “a little bit” for this event. He was absolutely spent after. This equates to a 4:30 mile. But of course he has another 800m to run. He is a sprinter. There is no way he could have run 4:30. His athleticism has nothing to do with it.

Running a 4:30 mile doesn’t take much athleticism at all, don’t get that confused.

6 years ago 12/11/2018 12:53pm EST

re: It ends now

It ends now wrote:
never ending debate wrote:
Chris P, I appreciate your rant, honestly. I come from a football background, I was an above average local player, never elite, so let's be clear about that. I ran the mile maybe twice a year, and was usually in the spring before our summer conditioning. I played hoops and strength trained primarily, as I ran hurdles, and running a mile to us was def "distance."
The spring of my junior year, I ran a 5:40 mile, with absolutely zero specific training, weighing 190 and squatting 400+ lbs during that time of my life.
I say that because while reading these threads, I am just thinking, "they really don't understand the caliber of athlete of a professional skill player in the NFL." They do a lot more running than people realize. Le'Veon Bell once stated in a workout video he ran over 4 miles in intervals during an off season training session. That's crazy for a 225 lb running back.
Once again, I ran a 5:40 at 17, nowhere near 4:30, I get that, but that was after heavy strength training in the morning, and simply just running hurdles and hoops all winter. As the local strength coach told me, "they absolutely could, these are freak professional athletes, some may need a bit of specific training, some might come damn close on the first try depending on their build and age."
Nope. All this talk about how great of an athlete NFL players are is true. Which makes it exactly why they could not run a 4:30 mile without specific training. They are basically very coordinated sprinters. James Lofton and Carl Lewis ran 800m in 2:00 at the superstars challenge. Lofton trained “a little bit” for this event. He was absolutely spent after. This equates to a 4:30 mile. But of course he has another 800m to run. He is a sprinter. There is no way he could have run 4:30. His athleticism has nothing to do with it.
Running a 4:30 mile doesn’t take much athleticism at all, don’t get that confused.

You missed the point: in competition, Carl Lewis may be asked to run all out 2 or 3 times in the same day. Many of the athletes the poster referred to train to be able to run all out 30-40 times in a game, often on back to back (to back) plays.

30 years ago, many elite runners had very little aerobic base; virtually all of their training was hard intervals, and they could certainly break 4:30 by a lot. That type of training wouldn't be entirely dissimilar from modern football players.

Also, consider the OP's question: do you think that ONE of the 1664 active players in the NFL could run a 4:30 mile? 1:1664! I get that your argument is that the fast-twitch training hurts their chances, but yesteryear's mid distance runners have taught us that even great times are possible off of this type of training... so merely good times shouldn't be thought of as crazy talk.

6 years ago 12/11/2018 1:13pm EST

re: It ends now

It ends now wrote:
never ending debate wrote:
Chris P, I appreciate your rant, honestly. I come from a football background, I was an above average local player, never elite, so let's be clear about that. I ran the mile maybe twice a year, and was usually in the spring before our summer conditioning. I played hoops and strength trained primarily, as I ran hurdles, and running a mile to us was def "distance."
The spring of my junior year, I ran a 5:40 mile, with absolutely zero specific training, weighing 190 and squatting 400+ lbs during that time of my life.
I say that because while reading these threads, I am just thinking, "they really don't understand the caliber of athlete of a professional skill player in the NFL." They do a lot more running than people realize. Le'Veon Bell once stated in a workout video he ran over 4 miles in intervals during an off season training session. That's crazy for a 225 lb running back.
Once again, I ran a 5:40 at 17, nowhere near 4:30, I get that, but that was after heavy strength training in the morning, and simply just running hurdles and hoops all winter. As the local strength coach told me, "they absolutely could, these are freak professional athletes, some may need a bit of specific training, some might come damn close on the first try depending on their build and age."
Nope. All this talk about how great of an athlete NFL players are is true. Which makes it exactly why they could not run a 4:30 mile without specific training. They are basically very coordinated sprinters. James Lofton and Carl Lewis ran 800m in 2:00 at the superstars challenge. Lofton trained “a little bit” for this event. He was absolutely spent after. This equates to a 4:30 mile. But of course he has another 800m to run. He is a sprinter. There is no way he could have run 4:30. His athleticism has nothing to do with it.
Running a 4:30 mile doesn’t take much athleticism at all, don’t get that confused.

Neither Lofton nor Lewis ran 2:00. Lofton did 2:03 and Lewis was far behind with Gault and Nehemiah at about 2:18. It's doubtful that Lofton could have gotten 4:30 that day but the others didn't last half a mile at that pace.

4 years ago 02/22/2021 3:06pm EST

re: The Dingo

The Dingo wrote:
The current shape that they're in, not if they trained specifically. A friend and I were debating.
You figure the only ones who would have a chance are cornerbacks, safetys, wide receivers, running backs, and a select few quarter backs. Linebackers, lineman, tight ends, etc. are way too big.
My initial thought was no. But after thinking, and given the huge number of athletes in the NFL, I could see it being possible.

Yeah it's really not going to be hard. Tons of NFL players are myostatin deficient meaning they have the myostatin deficiency disorder which causes an overgrowth of muscles. Myostatin acts like a cap on muscle growth. When an NFL player is deficient in it within the muscles the muscles can become overgrown. Sort of like a double muscled cow.

All of the running backs, wide receivers, safeties, and Lamar Jackson, basically anyone around 215 or under could easily run 4:09 at the max to 4:28 if they wanted to train for it. Probably would only need a few weeks to run that fast. Depending on their myosatin deficiency level. There are different levels of it. So the ones with higher levels of the disorder are going to be faster and stronger. Basically having this disorder makes a person millions per year.

4 years ago 02/22/2021 3:09pm EST

re: sf49erswejo

These guys are pretty big, if they ran track its almost always 400m at the longest. There would be some great 400m talent in the league. Marquise Goodwin comes to mind. Obviously Tyreek at the 1/2. What would you expect a 400m runner to do in the mile that's your answer.

4 years ago 08/10/2021 3:45pm EDT

re: John_James_413

I laughed when I read this. carting around 215 lbs at 4:30 pace for a mile would require a wattage that probably only a world class rower could generate. To think a fast twitchy football player could do that is way beyond the pale.

Of course I imagine people who think that 215 lb football players can run a 4:30 mile probably think they could be world class oarsmen as well.

4 years ago 08/10/2021 4:00pm EDT

re: The Dingo

Usian Bolt recently (7/6/2021) ran 800 meters all out in 2 minutes 5 seconds....800 meters is not 880 yards -1/2mile so a mile in 4:30.... I'd like to see that from anyone on the NFL... Not that 4:30 is fast... but for a professional athlete maybe 4:40-4:45?? !! that's 70 seconds per quarter mile... but its also 1760 yards !!

4 years ago 09/02/2021 12:30am EDT

re: 4 Minute Mi-liar

4 Minute Mi-liar wrote:
I laughed when I read this. carting around 215 lbs at 4:30 pace for a mile would require a wattage that probably only a world class rower could generate. To think a fast twitchy football player could do that is way beyond the pale.
Of course I imagine people who think that 215 lb football players can run a 4:30 mile probably think they could be world class oarsmen as well.

Dude you realize there's always a few guys in the NFL that are like 5 ft 10 and 170 lb. And there's plenty of guys that are under 190.

Guys like Desmond Howard and Rocket Ishmael have builds that are closer to 1500 meter Runners than sprinters. Yeah they're fast but you're not built like world-class hundred meters runners. They're much more agile and have to do more conditioning

If you put them in a time trial with a couple of Pacers they would definitely have a crack at it. Not saying it's guaranteed but it's definitely guarantee that they're going to be able to go close to 4:40 or under 4:40. A lot has to do with the motivation and having time to focus on it

4 years ago 09/02/2021 1:29am EDT

re: John_James_413

John_James_413 wrote:
The Dingo wrote:
The current shape that they're in, not if they trained specifically. A friend and I were debating.
You figure the only ones who would have a chance are cornerbacks, safetys, wide receivers, running backs, and a select few quarter backs. Linebackers, lineman, tight ends, etc. are way too big.
My initial thought was no. But after thinking, and given the huge number of athletes in the NFL, I could see it being possible.
Yeah it's really not going to be hard. Tons of NFL players are myostatin deficient meaning they have the myostatin deficiency disorder which causes an overgrowth of muscles. Myostatin acts like a cap on muscle growth. When an NFL player is deficient in it within the muscles the muscles can become overgrown. Sort of like a double muscled cow.
All of the running backs, wide receivers, safeties, and Lamar Jackson, basically anyone around 215 or under could easily run 4:09 at the max to 4:28 if they wanted to train for it. Probably would only need a few weeks to run that fast. Depending on their myosatin deficiency level. There are different levels of it. So the ones with higher levels of the disorder are going to be faster and stronger. Basically having this disorder makes a person millions per year.

RBS no way. These guys are fire hydrants. 6 2 and 230. Pure fast twitch explosion and strength.

4 years ago 09/02/2021 1:30am EDT

re: ContextisKing

ContextisKing wrote:
4 Minute Mi-liar wrote:
I laughed when I read this. carting around 215 lbs at 4:30 pace for a mile would require a wattage that probably only a world class rower could generate. To think a fast twitchy football player could do that is way beyond the pale.
Of course I imagine people who think that 215 lb football players can run a 4:30 mile probably think they could be world class oarsmen as well.
Dude you realize there's always a few guys in the NFL that are like 5 ft 10 and 170 lb. And there's plenty of guys that are under 190.
Guys like Desmond Howard and Rocket Ishmael have builds that are closer to 1500 meter Runners than sprinters. Yeah they're fast but you're not built like world-class hundred meters runners. They're much more agile and have to do more conditioning
If you put them in a time trial with a couple of Pacers they would definitely have a crack at it. Not saying it's guaranteed but it's definitely guarantee that they're going to be able to go close to 4:40 or under 4:40. A lot has to do with the motivation and having time to focus on it

A handful of corners are under 200. That's about it.

Most WRS now are 220. Look at Julio Jones.

4 years ago 09/02/2021 2:01am EDT

re: bulwinkle

A bunch of return specialists are under a hundred and ninety pounds. Taylor Gabriel and Marquise Brown are both listed at 166

The point is there is at least a dozen guys in the NFL who have great builds for running a fast mile. Around 5:10 and weighing about 175.

The point is not everyone in the NFL is super muscular. Out of the 20 guys who have pretty good builds for running a fast mile I'm sure someone could take a crack at 4:30

There's nothing to argue about here unless you want to spin it and just focus on the more muscular guys