How many professional and aspiring professional pole vaulters are there in the world? How about mid/long-distance runners?
You are stupid, and you know it.
Hocker seems to lose to a lot of aspiring distance runners. He has more losses than wins. That's a fact. Mondo shows what a truly dominant athlete actually is.
I knew the comparison between a real winner and a pretender would be over your head.
If you're trying to bring a pole vaulter into the conversation, you've conceded that Hocker is the #1 distance runner right now.
I can rely on you failing to get the comparison. DuPlantis never loses, Hocker loses more than he wins; DuPlantis breaks record after record, Hocker has no wrs. If that's your measure of a number one then running sets a very low bar. DuPlantis could clear it without his pole. Kiplimo would at least give him some competition.
Hocker seems to lose to a lot of aspiring distance runners. He has more losses than wins. That's a fact. Mondo shows what a truly dominant athlete actually is.
Ignoring the point. As usual.
The point is Hocker loses way more than he wins. A weak "number one".
The point is Hocker loses way more than he wins. A weak "number one".
No, stupid. The point is that you can't compare the talent pool in distance running to that in pole vaulting. Apparently you are too stupid to understand that.
That's like saying that because Tuvalu never lost a war, it's army is stronger that China's or NATO's.
The point is Hocker loses way more than he wins. A weak "number one".
No, stupid. The point is that you can't compare the talent pool in distance running to that in pole vaulting. Apparently you are too stupid to understand that.
That's like saying that because Tuvalu never lost a war, it's army is stronger that China's or NATO's.
The equivalent of "Tuvalu" was voted by the sport to be its greatest athlete last year, ahead of all runners - including of course Hocker.
Alot of people need a break to get a union job. Nike Hollywood Studios should host a micro TV documentary contest of Cole Hocker. $100,000 budget max for Micro productions is the rage in Hollywood now.
No, stupid. The point is that you can't compare the talent pool in distance running to that in pole vaulting. Apparently you are too stupid to understand that.
That's like saying that because Tuvalu never lost a war, it's army is stronger that China's or NATO's.
The equivalent of "Tuvalu" was voted by the sport to be its greatest athlete last year, ahead of all runners - including of course Hocker.
Armand Duplantis capped a remarkable 2025, in which he broke four world records and won a world title, by being named World Athletics’ male athlete of the year
"Armand Duplantis has capped a remarkable 2025, in which he broke four world records and won another world title, by being named World Athletics’ male athlete of the year."
Is Hocker currently the #1 distance runner? No says DuMb, because of a pole vaulter.
Has he ever added something helpful to some discussion?
DuPlantis - ha haha.
DuPlantis is the definition of a true number one; he shows Hocker isn't.
WTF? Do you also barge in on Jordan vs LeBron debates to say Gretzky is the definition of a true number one? When you see people debating who has the best pizza, do you say their picks can’t compare to Chick-fil-A?
I think Kiplimo is the best XC runner currently and the 2nd best Marathoner. Hocker is maybe the 2nd best 5000m runner but he isn’t clear, and in the 1500m not even top 10 currently. That’s the deciding factor for me.
Not sure why he wouldn’t be top 10 in the 1500m. It’s just incomplete at the moment because he hasn’t raced many since GST Philly. Let’s see how he does in Winston-Salem, USAs and World Indoors. Since the beginning of 2024 he has a grand total of one 1500/mile finish below 4th, and only one that was 4th. The rest are 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
I think Kiplimo is the best XC runner currently and the 2nd best Marathoner. Hocker is maybe the 2nd best 5000m runner but he isn’t clear, and in the 1500m not even top 10 currently. That’s the deciding factor for me.
Kiplimo fans have to reconcile that he was basically Asafa Powell on the track. Fast times, “theoretically” the best 10,000m or even 5,000m runner but in terms of championship performances just didn’t get it done. Didn’t even try to double. Now the roads allow him a different lane to avoid some of his weaknesses, but considering his consecutive losses to Sabastian Sawe we have to see if he is actually a great champion on the roads. Or just a guy who benefited from John Korir basically losing his mind.
That's fair about the marathon.
But he is basically the Bolt of XC and the HM at this point, already a great champion on turf and tarmac.
Hahaha this guy thinks that there is more money in the track 10,000 than in the marathon. 🤡
For a Ugandan. 🤡
Hint: Jakob would be making MUCH MORE if he could win World Major Marathons. Same with "track only guys" Hocker, Fisher, Gressier, Farah, Rupp ... the B-team of distance running training who did fine on the track but never could and never will hack the big boy race like Geb, Bekele, Tergat and more recently Wanjiru, Kiptum, Kiplimo. (B-team is lucky to be American/European and have contracts to chase each other around in the watered down events!)
DuPlantis is the definition of a true number one; he shows Hocker isn't.
WTF? Do you also barge in on Jordan vs LeBron debates to say Gretzky is the definition of a true number one? When you see people debating who has the best pizza, do you say their picks can’t compare to Chick-fil-A?
If someone is confused about the concept of a clear #1, it is reasonable to educate them by analogy.
Duplantis is a clear #1 in the PV.
Kiplimo is a clear #1 in the HM and XC.
Wanyonyi and Keely are each clear #1 in the M/W 800.
Lyles is a clear #1 in the 200.
Now that you get the concept...
Hocker is NOT a clear #1 in the 5000 (ranked #26 by time in 2025), and even less so in the 1500 (having lost every 1500 he ran in 2025, and ranked #19 by time in 2025).
Kiplimo fans have to reconcile that he was basically Asafa Powell on the track. Fast times, “theoretically” the best 10,000m or even 5,000m runner but in terms of championship performances just didn’t get it done. Didn’t even try to double. Now the roads allow him a different lane to avoid some of his weaknesses, but considering his consecutive losses to Sabastian Sawe we have to see if he is actually a great champion on the roads. Or just a guy who benefited from John Korir basically losing his mind.
Asafa was the WR holder in the 100m...I don't think Kiplimo is the same.
This talk about Cole Hocker being the #1 distance runner is off the back of his 2 mile victory.
However, my general feeling is that the 2 mile field was overrated, especially with the absence of Grant Fisher. He was never going to be seriously challenged in an 8:07 race the way it played out. I actually think the Wannamaker Mile was the harder and more talented race, with Myers, Nuguse, Kessler and Nico. So unless he is racing against those guys, hard to say he is the #1 distance guy.
Grant Fisher - scratched Josh Kerr - first race back after injury, no idea of fitness levels. Parker Wolfe - coming off 10K XC, hadn't put in the sessions. Ky Robinson - doesn't have a strong kick. George Beamish - rarely puts himself in contention to win. Ethan Strand - miler first and foremost. Drew Hunter - journey man. Graham Blanks - decent engine, no kick. Cooper Teare - journey man. Edwin Kurgat - has no speed. Jake Wightman - as we saw in the 2000m, doesn't have the legs for long races.
This guy gets it.
NYRR MILLROSE WANNAMAKER MILE - a.k.a. "The Prestige Race of the Meet" 🏆 Cameron MYERS Yared NUGUSE Hobbs KESSLER Nico YOUNG Andrew COSCORAN Festus LAGAT Robert FARKEN Gary MARTIN Oliver HOARE
Millrose 2-Mile Run - a.k.a. "Hocker and Beamish vs. washed vs. journeymen" 😴 Cole HOCKER Josh KERR Parker WOLFE Ky ROBINSON Geordie BEAMISH Graham BLANKS Cooper TEARE Andrew HUNTER Habtom SAMUEL Edwin KURGAT Ethan STRAND Jake WIGHTMAN
This talk about Cole Hocker being the #1 distance runner is off the back of his 2 mile victory.
However, my general feeling is that the 2 mile field was overrated, especially with the absence of Grant Fisher. He was never going to be seriously challenged in an 8:07 race the way it played out. I actually think the Wannamaker Mile was the harder and more talented race, with Myers, Nuguse, Kessler and Nico. So unless he is racing against those guys, hard to say he is the #1 distance guy.
Grant Fisher - scratched Josh Kerr - first race back after injury, no idea of fitness levels. Parker Wolfe - coming off 10K XC, hadn't put in the sessions. Ky Robinson - doesn't have a strong kick. George Beamish - rarely puts himself in contention to win. Ethan Strand - miler first and foremost. Drew Hunter - journey man. Graham Blanks - decent engine, no kick. Cooper Teare - journey man. Edwin Kurgat - has no speed. Jake Wightman - as we saw in the 2000m, doesn't have the legs for long races.
Top 4 in the mile field:
Myers - a teenager who had to pull out of World XC because of fainting and blackout issues Nuguse - didn't make the World Champs last year, appears to be on the decline (ran almost 2 seconds slower this year than he did last year) Kessler - didn't make the World Champs last year, ran with a calf injury, was literally limping off the track after the race Nico - not a miler, he's primarily a 5k-10k guy
The 2-mile had 4 World Championship gold medalists in the field. The mile had 0.
Myers - World Lead in the mile.
Nuguse - 3x Wannamaker Mile winner
Kessler - 2000m indoor WR holder
Nico - 3:48 miler who is actually a 5/10K guy, meaning he would have done even better in the 2 mile event.
The mile times these guys ran is more impressive than the 8:07 - because they want to go after fast times.
