Q: Does an athlete submitted on the championship roster for cross country have to have been submitted at some time earlier in the regular season?
A: No, an athlete on a cross country championship roster does not necessarily need to have been on an earlier regular season roster, but they must be on the institutional roster and be certified as eligible.
Q: Does a collegiate institution’s cross country roster for the regular season need to be officially submitted to the ncaa by some date?
A: A collegiate cross country roster for the regular season does not need to be officially submitted to the NCAA by a single, specific date. Instead, teams enter athletes on the Track and Field Results Reporting System (TFRRS) before their first competition to ensure eligibility and for accurate results reporting.
🤔 To ensure eligibility by whom? By somebody associated with TFRRS?
Q: Does a collegiate institution’s cross country roster for the regular season need to be officially submitted to the ncaa by some date?
A: A collegiate cross country roster for the regular season does not need to be officially submitted to the NCAA by a single, specific date. Instead, teams enter athletes on the Track and Field Results Reporting System (TFRRS) before their first competition to ensure eligibility and for accurate results reporting.
🤔 To ensure eligibility by whom? By somebody associated with TFRRS?
Q: To ensure eligibility by whom? By somebody associated with TFRRS?
A: Eligibility Certification: All student-athletes must be certified as eligible by the NCAA Eligibility Center before they can compete. This is an ongoing process, not a single deadline for the entire roster.
Hmmm….”An ongoing process”? 😮 Does this suggest that it may indeed be possible that a hidden ringer could first show up (be declared) no sooner than the submission deadline for the Championship??
Q: Does a collegiate institution’s cross country roster for the regular season need to be officially submitted to the ncaa by some date?
A: A collegiate cross country roster for the regular season does not need to be officially submitted to the NCAA by a single, specific date. Instead, teams enter athletes on the Track and Field Results Reporting System (TFRRS) before their first competition to ensure eligibility and for accurate results reporting.
🤔 To ensure eligibility by whom? By somebody associated with TFRRS?
Q: To ensure eligibility by whom? By somebody associated with TFRRS?
A: Eligibility Certification: All student-athletes must be certified as eligible by the NCAA Eligibility Center before they can compete. This is an ongoing process, not a single deadline for the entire roster.
Hmmm….”An ongoing process”? 😮 Does this suggest that it may indeed be possible that a hidden ringer could first show up (be declared) no sooner than the submission deadline for the Championship??
Team roster:
Surprisingly loose. Must be submitted prior to 1st meet. So Aug/Sep.
Ncaa team:
Due by Friday Nov 7. 10 names for reg/nat'l.
These 10 must come from the standard team roster.
So your 'ringer' can be someone from team roster, who has not yet raced during the season. Cannot be someone completely new to team.
A: A collegiate cross country roster for the regular season does not need to be officially submitted to the NCAA by a single, specific date. Instead, teams enter athletes on the Track and Field Results Reporting System (TFRRS) before their first competition to ensure eligibility and for accurate results reporting.
🤔 ?
A: Eligibility Certification: All student-athletes must be certified as eligible by the NCAA Eligibility Center before they can compete. This is an ongoing process, not a single deadline for the entire roster.
Hmmm….”An ongoing process”? 😮 Does this suggest that it may indeed be possible that a hidden ringer could first show up (be declared) no sooner than the submission deadline for the Championship??
If this is true, suppose a coach has a good working relationship with the decision maker in the “NCAA Eligibility Center”, and/or the person in that Center can be easily snowed?
Suppose for example, Alabama were to go buy another Kurgat (or *Cheruto, or Kichchir, etc.) at the last minute. That would make 5 powerful scorers, and they could then potentially pull off a devastating upset.
Note, my point with the name interchange of many athletes with the same names fro a certain country, and sometimes having no birthdate listed in their WA profile, presents the situation with some confusion to the general public as to who is and who isn’t on a roster, and what these previously unheard of athletes are capable of. For example, Alabama recently ran two Freshman at the Crimson Classic; one of them had only run one x-country race prior, and the other has no record of previously running a cross-country race. Yet, these freshman athletes dropped 15:41 and 15:31 TiC performances! 👀
Q: To ensure eligibility by whom? By somebody associated with TFRRS?
A: Eligibility Certification: All student-athletes must be certified as eligible by the NCAA Eligibility Center before they can compete. This is an ongoing process, not a single deadline for the entire roster.
Hmmm….”An ongoing process”? 😮 Does this suggest that it may indeed be possible that a hidden ringer could first show up (be declared) no sooner than the submission deadline for the Championship??
Team roster:
Surprisingly loose. Must be submitted prior to 1st meet. So Aug/Sep.
Ncaa team:
Due by Friday Nov 7. 10 names for reg/nat'l.
These 10 must come from the standard team roster.
So your 'ringer' can be someone from team roster, who has not yet raced during the season. Cannot be someone completely new to team.
Team roster: Surprisingly loose. Must be submitted prior to 1st meet. So Aug/Sep.
Is it possible that an athlete could have been submitted, but happened to have been conveniently overlooked for the roster published on the website?
A: Eligibility Certification: All student-athletes must be certified as eligible by the NCAA Eligibility Center before they can compete. This is an ongoing process, not a single deadline for the entire roster.
Hmmm….”An ongoing process”? 😮 Does this suggest that it may indeed be possible that a hidden ringer could first show up (be declared) no sooner than the submission deadline for the Championship??
If this is true, suppose a coach has a good working relationship with the decision maker in the “NCAA Eligibility Center”, and/or the person in that Center can be easily snowed?
Suppose for example, Alabama were to go buy another Kurgat (or *Cheruto, or Kichchir, etc.) at the last minute. That would make 5 powerful scorers, and they could then potentially pull off a devastating upset.
Note, my point with the name interchange of many athletes with the same names fro a certain country, and sometimes having no birthdate listed in their WA profile, presents the situation with some confusion to the general public as to who is and who isn’t on a roster, and what these previously unheard of athletes are capable of. For example, Alabama recently ran two Freshman at the Crimson Classic; one of them had only run one x-country race prior, and the other has no record of previously running a cross-country race. Yet, these freshman athletes dropped 15:41 and 15:31 TiC performances! 👀
I don’t know whether or not Alabama has a ringer stowed away, but I will say that if Pheline Cheruto had not transferred through the Portal, they would have had five very powerful scorers (including the two incoming freshman mentioned previously), making them a valid threat for the podium, and even possibly the Trophy. 😮
When you go into LACCTiC, click the “Include inactive runners box” guess which sleeper team doesn’t even show up in the list of top 35? Flying a bit under the radar?
That sleeper team is the Alabama Roll Tide. I have know idea what’s up with LACCTiC, because they don’t seem to pop up in Simulations.
Team roster: Surprisingly loose. Must be submitted prior to 1st meet. So Aug/Sep.
Is it possible that an athlete could have been submitted, but happened to have been conveniently overlooked for the roster published on the website?
Always a remote possibility. The school website is not official, as it has nothing to do with any formal submission. Of course in 99.9% of cases the team website will be correct.
Team roster: Surprisingly loose. Must be submitted prior to 1st meet. So Aug/Sep.
Is it possible that an athlete could have been submitted, but happened to have been conveniently overlooked for the roster published on the website?
Always a remote possibility. The school website is not official, as it has nothing to do with any formal submission. Of course in 99.9% of cases the team website will be correct.
Surely that Alabama coach wouldn’t have done something like hide a ringer, in order to sneak onto the podium, no?
Wow, that is brilliant that Sean did that. I wonder if any other coaches knew about this ground breaking idea and have done anything similar. So much to learn!!!
Once again our esteemed OP hooked the Sean Brosnan haters.
Key Dates: Friday, Aug. 29 First date of allowable competition. Date of first institutional competition Deadline for team roster registration on DirectAthletics. Friday, Sept. 12 Qualifying window for cross country season begins. Saturday, Oct. 18 Pre-Nationals, Columbia, Missouri. Monday, Nov. 3 Regional online entry forms available on DirectAthletics at 8 a.m. Eastern time.
Thursday, Nov. 6 Deadline for submission of regional online entry form – 5 p.m. Eastern time. Friday, Nov. 7 LATE DEADLINE for regional entries with fine by 5 p.m. Eastern time. Entries officially closed at this time.
Monday, Nov. 10 Deadline for all regular-season meet results to be submitted for qualification purposes into TFRRS-XC by 5 p.m. Eastern time. Regional entries posted on respective regional websites by noon Eastern time.
Tuesday, Nov. 11 Regional box draws posted by noon Eastern time. Regional virtual coaches meeting. Thursday, Nov. 13 Regional practices and packet pickup. Friday, Nov. 14 NCAA Division I Men’s and Women’s Cross Country Regional Championships. Saturday, Nov. 15 Selections field announced by 5 p.m. Eastern time on ncaa.com. Tuesday, Nov. 18 National Championship virtual coaches meeting. Friday, Nov. 21 Championships practice and packet pickup, Columbia, Missouri. Saturday, Nov. 22 NCAA Division I Men’s and Women’s Cross Country Championships, Columbia, Missouri.
Declarations. Coaches may declare, during packet pickup, student-athletes who were submitted on the original entry form (maximum of 14). The runners declared for the national championships may be different than those who competed at the regional meet, but all must have appeared on the original entry form submitted by the aforementioned deadline. If an institution declares more than seven student-athletes during packet pickup (i.e., takes an eighth or ninth set of chips and bibs), those additional chips and bibs must be returned to meet management in the clerking area not later than 20 minutes before the start of the race. Hosts should give specific instructions during the coaches meeting as to where to deliver the extra chip(s) and bib(s).
[Reference: Certification of Eligibility/Availability in Bylaws 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 20.2.4, 31.2.1.7.1, 31.2.1.7.1.2 and 31.2.2 in the NCAA Division I Manual, Bylaws 7.3.1.5 and 18.2.1 in the NCAA Division II Manual and Division II Championships Committee Policy and Bylaws 31.2.1.5, 31.2.1.5.2, and 31.2.2 in the NCAA Division III Manual.] Only student-athletes eligible under Bylaws 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16 may compete in NCAA championships. Member institutions are required to certify the eligibility of their student-athletes before the beginning of each academic year and to withhold ineligible student-athletes from all intercollegiate competition. Member institutions are reminded to notify the NCAA national office before the selection date for each championship of any student-athlete who may have participated in regular-season competition but subsequently is determined to be ineligible or unavailable for NCAA championship competition.
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Always a remote possibility. The school website is not official, as it has nothing to do with any formal submission. Of course in 99.9% of cases the team website will be correct.
Surely that Alabama coach wouldn’t have done something like hide a ringer, in order to sneak onto the podium, no?
I believe I have fixed the bug preventing deleted runners from being removed. Please continue to update me if you find anything else
Maybe for some reason, it’s just me (running on iOS), but if I start a new simulation with the simple steps listed below, I don’t see Doris Lemngole, Brenda Tuwei, etc. in the list of runners, nor do I see Alabama in the list of teams.
(1) From opening page, click Division I under Women’s/Divisions Regions heading;
(2) then click blue SIMULATE/RANK DIVISION I button;
(3) check the box Include inactive runners;
(4) either do or don’t check the box Include runners not on roster
Maybe for some reason, it’s just me (running on iOS), but if I start a new simulation with the simple steps listed below, I don’t see Doris Lemngole, Brenda Tuwei, etc. in the list of runners, nor do I see Alabama in the list of teams.
(1) From opening page, click Division I under Women’s/Divisions Regions heading;
(2) then click blue SIMULATE/RANK DIVISION I button;
(3) check the box Include inactive runners;
(4) either do or don’t check the box Include runners not on roster
(5) click blue Simulation button
That’s because when the nationals are simulated, the selections of check boxes don’t automatically carry over to regionals. Since the south regional has Alabama as the fifth place finisher (inactive runners are assumed out by default), it is too late for you to check the include inactive runners box in the nationals as Alabama has already been eliminated.
Maybe for some reason, it’s just me (running on iOS), but if I start a new simulation with the simple steps listed below, I don’t see Doris Lemngole, Brenda Tuwei, etc. in the list of runners, nor do I see Alabama in the list of teams.
(1) From opening page, click Division I under Women’s/Divisions Regions heading;
(2) then click blue SIMULATE/RANK DIVISION I button;
(3) check the box Include inactive runners;
(4) either do or don’t check the box Include runners not on roster
(5) click blue Simulation button
That’s because when the nationals are simulated, the selections of check boxes don’t automatically carry over to regionals. Since the south regional has Alabama as the fifth place finisher (inactive runners are assumed out by default), it is too late for you to check the include inactive runners box in the nationals as Alabama has already been eliminated.
Interesting, thanks. So I think the following workaround, although a bit inconvenient, is one way to handle the problem:
(1) From opening page, in the Division I Women’s/Divisions Regions heading in the drop-down menu, select the South Region (the region Alabama is in);
(2) then click blue SIMULATE/RANK DIVISION I button;
(3) manually type into the search box each of the remaining regions in order to progressively add them to the simulation.
Interesting, thanks. So I think the following workaround, although a bit inconvenient, is one way to handle the problem:
(1) From opening page, in the Division I Women’s/Divisions Regions heading in the drop-down menu, select the South Region (the region Alabama is in);
(2) then click blue SIMULATE/RANK DIVISION I button;
(3) manually type into the search box each of the remaining regions in order to progressively add them to the simulation.
And for this workaround, don’t forget to check the Include inactive runners box.
To polish the final simulation off, you then might want to manually remove some individual runners (e.g., Paityn Noe, rumored to be redshirted).
And the Include runners not on roster box must be checked in order to get Hedengren included in the simulation (which seems to be a bug). After doing that, you have to manually go in and selectively remove athletes one-by-one that are no longer on the roster (e.g., Philine Cheruto who transferred out of Alabama).
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