If you look at their career progression you see that Kerr now dominates Ingebrigtsen. He beat him in the last WC, then Prefontaine and then the Olympics. Over a similar period Ingebrigtsen has been beaten by other 1500 runners, beginning with Wightman. 4th at Paris says his days as a 1500 champion are numbered. I wouldn't bet on him winning a other global 1500 championship - the last was Tokyo 2021.
No, he doesn't dominate him. Ingebrigtsen has the fastest time of the year - year after year - by some margin. The last time they raced Ingebrigtsen has beaten Kerr. Kerr has beaten him three times in a row - after he lost eight times in a row (including three times at the global champs) to him.
Kerr has closed the gap and might even win when Ingebrigtsen leads from the gun or isn't at 100% - only you calls this domination.
Will Ingebrigtsen win another global gold or get the 1500m WR? I'm very sceptical for both. But let's wait and we'll see.
You keep going back into the early stages of their respective careers. You seem unaware in sports that careers can change - and Ingebrigtsen's has. Since 2021 he has been unable to win a global championship title in his main event. One of those athletes who continues now to get the better of him on the biggest stages is Kerr. There are others. That's sports.
Kerrs 800 PB of 1:45 is laughable for someone who is strictly an 8/15 runner and tries to talk trash to Jakob about his 800 abilities, saying it would be like "a deer on ice" if Jakob ran in the 8/15 group in the GST.
1:45 is what Andreas Almgren runs, the European record holder in the 10k and second fastest European in the half marathon.
1:45 would trash a 1:46-mid runner.
Yeah, someone who trains and competes in the 800 would trash someone who doesn't, great observation. Doesn't change the fact that Kerr sucks in the 800 compared to actual good 800 runners.
You keep going back into the early stages of their respective careers. You seem unaware in sports that careers can change - and Ingebrigtsen's has. Since 2021 he has been unable to win a global championship title in his main event. One of those athletes who continues now to get the better of him on the biggest stages is Kerr. There are others. That's sports.
The era Kerr refers to is 2021-2029 in all likelihood as neither has global hardware before that when Tim was the guy. The trajectory is now in Kerr’s favor but you can’t dismiss Kerr is older and Jakob went gold-silver while Kerr went bronze-nothing in the first 2 years of this era. Kerr is aware of this and realizes medals-wise at 1500 hes close to about even with Jakob though missing the Olympic gold. He also needs more fast times which he acknowledges. 2025 is a critical year because by 2027 Josh Kerr is approaching 30 - a time when few 1500 runners have been able to keep it going much longer. Whether Kerr is able to buck that like Lagat or Willis we’ll see.
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Yeah, someone who trains and competes in the 800 would trash someone who doesn't, great observation. Doesn't change the fact that Kerr sucks in the 800 compared to actual good 800 runners.
He isnt an 800 specialist. But he seems to do pretty well these days against Ingebrigtsen over the 1500/mile.
You keep going back into the early stages of their respective careers. You seem unaware in sports that careers can change - and Ingebrigtsen's has. Since 2021 he has been unable to win a global championship title in his main event. One of those athletes who continues now to get the better of him on the biggest stages is Kerr. There are others. That's sports.
The era Kerr refers to is 2021-2029 in all likelihood as neither has global hardware before that when Tim was the guy. The trajectory is now in Kerr’s favor but you can’t dismiss Kerr is older and Jakob went gold-silver while Kerr went bronze-nothing in the first 2 years of this era. Kerr is aware of this and realizes medals-wise at 1500 hes close to about even with Jakob though missing the Olympic gold. He also needs more fast times which he acknowledges. 2025 is a critical year because by 2027 Josh Kerr is approaching 30 - a time when few 1500 runners have been able to keep it going much longer. Whether Kerr is able to buck that like Lagat or Willis we’ll see.
2029?
What happens in the future is anyone's guess but I wouldn't count on Ingebrigtsen being able to reverse the trend, that other runners now - like Kerr - have his measure over his main distance.
No, he doesn't dominate him. Ingebrigtsen has the fastest time of the year - year after year - by some margin. The last time they raced Ingebrigtsen has beaten Kerr. Kerr has beaten him three times in a row - after he lost eight times in a row (including three times at the global champs) to him.
Kerr has closed the gap and might even win when Ingebrigtsen leads from the gun or isn't at 100% - only you calls this domination.
Will Ingebrigtsen win another global gold or get the 1500m WR? I'm very sceptical for both. But let's wait and we'll see.
You keep going back into the early stages of their respective careers. You seem unaware in sports that careers can change - and Ingebrigtsen's has. Since 2021 he has been unable to win a global championship title in his main event. One of those athletes who continues now to get the better of him on the biggest stages is Kerr. There are others. That's sports.
Kerr doesn't dominate Ingebrigtsen.
Yes, and in his third event he keeps winning gold after gold. Maybe in his fourth event he will demolish the WR.
Who are those athletes who continue to beat him? Maybe you check their head to head, Dumbo.
Ingebrigtsen went faster every year, and some others still getting closer and closer and even can beat him.
But the point was: you wrongly claimed Kerr dominates him. He doesn't.
Since 2021 he has been unable to win a global championship title in his main event.
Make up your mind. You are always quoting him saying the HM is his main event but when you want to belittle him it's the 1500. You are not intelligent enough to pull this. Stick to one simple narrative. That's all you (maybe) can manage.
No, he doesn't dominate him. Ingebrigtsen has the fastest time of the year - year after year - by some margin. The last time they raced Ingebrigtsen has beaten Kerr. Kerr has beaten him three times in a row - after he lost eight times in a row (including three times at the global champs) to him.
Kerr has closed the gap and might even win when Ingebrigtsen leads from the gun or isn't at 100% - only you calls this domination.
Will Ingebrigtsen win another global gold or get the 1500m WR? I'm very sceptical for both. But let's wait and we'll see.
You keep going back into the early stages of their respective careers. You seem unaware in sports that careers can change - and Ingebrigtsen's has. Since 2021 he has been unable to win a global championship title in his main event. One of those athletes who continues now to get the better of him on the biggest stages is Kerr. There are others. That's sports.
Since 2021, Ingebrigtsen has won a gold medal at every Global Championship in either two of his main events, the 1500m or 5000m. It is not just the 1500m.
Jakob dominated Kerr in Zurich, beating him by almost two seconds, on one of the biggest stages.
What happens in the future is anyone's guess but I wouldn't count on Ingebrigtsen being able to reverse the trend, that other runners now - like Kerr - have his measure over his main distance.
Are you being intentionally dense? The thread is about Josh Kerr’s quotes about wanting to accomplish something that involves the past, present and future: Being the best 1500 runner of his era. Right now he trails Jakob. He has to do more in the future and that’s where the challenge lies. Of course we don’t know what will happen.
What happens in the future is anyone's guess but I wouldn't count on Ingebrigtsen being able to reverse the trend, that other runners now - like Kerr - have his measure over his main distance.
Are you being intentionally dense?
You are a good poster.
But when you think you are talking to a poster with just a minimal interest to discuss such subjects seriously, than you are extremely naive.
So El G and Ingebrigtsen are both "3:26 men"? I wondered what the difference is between them.
Yes, they are.
I have never in my life seeing someone arguing as stupid as Armstronglivs constantly does (some people don't argue at all).
What he basically is saying: if you devide a group of things or people into some subgroups, all things or people in the same subgroup must be equal.
Both Hicham El Guerrouj and Aman Wote are sub 3:30 guys. Are they therefore equal? For sure not, they are still completely different. For example, El G has bettered the mentioned mark by 4.00 seconds, Wote by 0.09 seconds. They are also different in almost anything else.
Joshua Cheptegei and Geoffrey Kamworer are both sub 13 5000m runners - Cheptegei has bettered the mark by 24.65 seconds, Kamworer by 0.02 seconds.
When people on this board avoid giving the hundreds of some PBs (what Armstronglivs constantly does himself since years, all the time) they are too lazy to look for the exact time and divide the group of 1500m runners in 10 to 15 subgroups. People all over the world are doing something similar all the time. I always look for (or know in most cases) the exact time, but forming subgroups regarding PBs also is completely understandable.
Doing the same (rounding down to full seconds) in the 100m (as he suggested) just is not helpful at all, because almost any sprinter belongs to the 9 second category. But people often just give the tenths (9.9 guy) which is completely similar to giving full seconds in the 1500m.
Army also has argued that Ingebrigtsen in fact would be a 3:26 athlete if the WR would be 3:26.01 - he really is ----- different.
Fr. Me and El G are both sub 4:20 guys. Does not mean we are in any way the same.
Ingebrigtsen's 1500 Olympic victories were over 4 years ago.
Just too stupid...
Does he upvote his own posts? He always has like 1 well everyone argues with him and no one ever agrees unless it is one anonymous poster. I think he upvotes himself and posts anonymously to make his opinions seem more shared.
Ingebrigtsen is just as likely to be doping - so not much to choose between them there. But that aside, Cheptegei is still the much faster runner over 5k so far. So are 20 other guys.
To add when JI used to boast he WILL definitely hold every distance WR of the modern era, we should have known better that he is, was or is going to be dirty. So you are right. It may very well be Josh is the only clean stud.
He never boasted. He said it was his goal to get every WR.
Coming from an injury and running 3:45.60 (no. 11 performance ever). Dumb: he floundered...
Those two so far raced 12 times over 1500m/Mile (not counting heats).
Who won? I - I - I - I - I - I - I - I - K - K - K - I
Dumb: Kerr regularly beats him...
Kerr best Jakob when it mattered. This carries disproportionate weighting when you assess their performances. Sure Jakob gets the nod with more diamond league wins but those races are pressure free and without huge stakes. It doesn’t matter if Jakob ran prefontaine last year on an injury comeback as he couldn’t beat Kerr in Paris either after supposedly running 3:26:73 and in better shape than ar prefontaine. This speaks to a man who is mentally weak or one who is loosing his talent fast.
Jakob beat Josh in Tokyo and Eugene. Kerr beat Ingebrigtsen in Budapest and Paris. Ironically they won and lost the same way. Jakob powered away from T Cheruiyot the same way Kerr powered past Ingebrigtsen in 2023. Jakob was out kicked by Wightman in 2022 the same way Kerr was out kicked by Hocker in Paris.
This was not relevant just thought it was worth noting.
I think the quote is from “The Times”, but if you don’t want to do the registration in order to get access to their archives I also think LetsRun quoted this interview on it’s main page a year ago or so.
Well, here is what I think Jakob said (paraphrasing): I’m a HM guy; the shorter the distance the worse I am -a little worse in the 10000m, a little worse than that in the 5000m, a little worse (than in the 5000m) in the 1500m…
Thank you. Too many posters deny what they haven't read.
They asked when he said it. You then ignored them so they assumed you were lying because sourcing matters especially since you have no problem moving the goalposts/gaslighting/lying.
Yeah, someone who trains and competes in the 800 would trash someone who doesn't, great observation. Doesn't change the fact that Kerr sucks in the 800 compared to actual good 800 runners.
He isnt an 800 specialist. But he seems to do pretty well these days against Ingebrigtsen over the 1500/mile.
Who said anything about him being an 800 specialist? It's his main event along with the 1500, and the fact that he can't run faster than Europes second fastest half marathon runner is laughable when he wants to talk trash about other people who don't run the event.
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Since 2021 he has been unable to win a global championship title in his main event.
Make up your mind. You are always quoting him saying the HM is his main event but when you want to belittle him it's the 1500. You are not intelligent enough to pull this. Stick to one simple narrative. That's all you (maybe) can manage.
He said the HM is his best event - I'm taking him at his word. I'm also pointing out that quite a few runners are now beating him at the 1500, which is the event he chiefly competes in.
He isnt an 800 specialist. But he seems to do pretty well these days against Ingebrigtsen over the 1500/mile.
Who said anything about him being an 800 specialist? It's his main event along with the 1500, and the fact that he can't run faster than Europes second fastest half marathon runner is laughable when he wants to talk trash about other people who don't run the event.
He was talking about Ingebrigtsen competing over 800, as grand slam track provides. If you don't think that would be embarrassing for him you are in dream land.
In the meantime, Kerr is apparently faster over a HM - not his "best" distance, as Jakob says it is for him.
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