Well based upon your prior comments I'm sure you'll jump all over this but, here goes...since we're really trying to explain belief, it is actually supernatural Faith that gives us our understanding. Faith is a gift from God available to all, but it requires our assent.
Even as a young child my initial reaction to that teaching was that it was a way to stop the debate. As I got older, read more, prayed more and strove to remain open to Grace, I came to understand and receive the gift.
If I said to you, “hello, I have this book called the Quran and it is the most recent revelation from the one true God” what would it take to convince you that I were speaking the truth?
I would have to receive Supernatural Faith that it is true. That hasn't happened.
Those Spanish missionaries in the Americas said, “hola, have you heard the good news? Oh, we won’t force this on you at all if you want to keep worshiping your other gods.”
Those Spanish missionaries were over a THOUSAND years after the religion started.
I'm talking about the birth of the religion. Christianity was entirely peaceful in the beginning.
Islam has been violent and involuntary from it's very outset.
And the cartoon version of the Spanish missionaries you and your fellow lefties have invented has almost nothing in common with the actual truth.
Yes. They converted many - and many remained in their pagan beliefs.
They did get some help. 9 million (!) Mexicans were converted as a result of Our Lady of Guadalupe miracle.
Sin is what separates people from God. Sin is what sends people to hell.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 NIV
Without Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness of sins.
“For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13-14 NIV
You, your wife and a few million so called Christian " Republicans" voted for the a Casino owner, womanizer, lying, two faced cheater. Better know as Trump.
You are misguided the Mormons are all going to Sheol I’m sorry. I feel for all the BYU guys because they have been led astray by a cult that is rather the antichrist. There is no 3rd book of the bible
I don't know, man. There were a lot of witnesses to the golden plates that were translated into the Book of Mormon. Twelve (12), I believe. And an angel (Moroni). You calling them all liars? Angel Moroni still has the golden plates stashed somewhere.
It’s mostly the reborn Christian sect that believes that nonsense. They also take the Bible literally. So yeah, Eve actually was formed from Adam’s rib. 🙄 I have a few acquaintances that joined that so called church. They walk around thinking they’re better than everyone.
Just as bad as Jews believing they are somehow the Chosen Ones. LoL.
It’s mostly the reborn Christian sect that believes that nonsense. They also take the Bible literally. So yeah, Eve actually was formed from Adam’s rib. 🙄 I have a few acquaintances that joined that so called church. They walk around thinking they’re better than everyone.
Just as bad as Jews believing they are somehow the Chosen Ones. LoL.
The concept of chosen refers to the Jews being chosen to bring forth the concept of ethical monotheism not that they are somehow better than others and most Jews do not believe they are better nor has Judaism ever taught that. Until then idolatry and practices of human sacrifices was common by the pagans and heathens mentioned in the old testament.
While some Jews believe they are chosen and more deserving that is not what it is supposed to mean. The old testament is replete with examples of what happened when the children of Abraham (which Christians and Muslims believe they are descendants) didn't follow God's moral laws.
If anything Judaism is the only one of the three monotheistic religions which believes that anyone could get into heaven, whatever heaven means.
Sin is what separates people from God. Sin is what sends people to hell.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 NIV
Without Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness of sins.
“For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13-14 NIV
You, your wife and a few million so called Christian " Republicans" voted for the a Casino owner, womanizer, lying, two faced cheater. Better know as Trump.
You lefties are incapable of understanding that you are literally worse than Trump.
Even if 100% of the crap you idiots make up about Trump was true he would STILL be a better choice than you.
Abortion alone would preclude any actual Christian from voting for the democrat.
I don't know, man. There were a lot of witnesses to the golden plates that were translated into the Book of Mormon. Twelve (12), I believe. And an angel (Moroni). You calling them all liars? Angel Moroni still has the golden plates stashed somewhere.
Seriously? I assume you're being sarcastic.
It's been a while since I read the Book of Mormon, and I don't plan on inflicting that torture on myself again (as Mark Twain said, it is "chloroform in print), but I believe I am correct regarding the golden plates, 12 witnesses and Angel Moroni. It may seem like I'm being sarcastic, but they actually believe all that stuff.
I don't know, man. There were a lot of witnesses to the golden plates that were translated into the Book of Mormon. Twelve (12), I believe. And an angel (Moroni). You calling them all liars? Angel Moroni still has the golden plates stashed somewhere.
I don’t need to call them all liars. They brought the lies and deception upon themselves is what it is. See the difference?
No, not really. At least not the way you tried to describe such difference. Can you elaborate on the distinction you are attempting to make?
And I'm not asking about BYU runners. I'm asking about Joseph Smith, the twelve witnesses, and the Angel Moroni. Some or all of those witnesses testified they saw and handled Angel Moroni's golden plates. Those golden plates were like 30 to 60 pounds -- hard to mistake. After Smith was done transcribing the golden plates into the Book or Mormon, the plates were placed back in the custody of Angel Moroni.
Are you saying all those beings were liars and their first-hand accounts were lies and this never happened? What evidence do you have that this was all fabricated?
I don’t need to call them all liars. They brought the lies and deception upon themselves is what it is. See the difference?
No, not really. At least not the way you tried to describe such difference. Can you elaborate on the distinction you are attempting to make?
And I'm not asking about BYU runners. I'm asking about Joseph Smith, the twelve witnesses, and the Angel Moroni. Some or all of those witnesses testified they saw and handled Angel Moroni's golden plates. Those golden plates were like 30 to 60 pounds -- hard to mistake. After Smith was done transcribing the golden plates into the Book or Mormon, the plates were placed back in the custody of Angel Moroni.
Are you saying all those beings were liars and their first-hand accounts were lies and this never happened? What evidence do you have that this was all fabricated?
3 minutes of investigation into Joseph Smith should be enough for a rational person to discount the Mormons.
The man was convicted of being a con-artist in NY BEFORE he decided he was going to invent a religion.
To help you understand what is a soul I may only bring you to an approximate understanding and the rest depends on your lived experience with God.
A soul is an intangible field entity with no concrete coordinates in space and time. It is timeless. Outside space and outside time. It’s form is not an electromagnetic field per se but can be said to underpin electromagnetic fields and their physical causes and effects. It however surely must have and needs to have electromagnetic basis to exist though not electromagnetic per se.
everything in the universe is electromagnetic frequency, energy and vibration and the entirety of space and time and those outside it must have a basis in the laws of physics in order to exist. That’s how and why the spiritual domain is really NOT THAT separable from the physical one.
Nothing you wrote was determined through scientific inquiry. It is just a nonsensical jumble of words. By the way, electromagnetic fields are only defined in space and time.
The majority of earth's population is not Christian and is going to hell according to Christian logic.
It's much worse than that... The Bible says that when a good portion of "Christians" get to go in front of the white throne of judgement... Jesus is going to say... "depart from me... I never knew you"...
It's much worse than that... The Bible says that when a good portion of "Christians" get to go in front of the white throne of judgement... Jesus is going to say... "depart from me... I never knew you"...
Is this the same white throne that Elvis died on?
There is more evidence that Elvis lived long after after his alleged death (8/16/77 in Memphis) than there is that Jesus Christ was resurrected three days after he died.
To help you understand what is a soul I may only bring you to an approximate understanding and the rest depends on your lived experience with God.
A soul is an intangible field entity with no concrete coordinates in space and time. It is timeless. Outside space and outside time. It’s form is not an electromagnetic field per se but can be said to underpin electromagnetic fields and their physical causes and effects. It however surely must have and needs to have electromagnetic basis to exist though not electromagnetic per se.
everything in the universe is electromagnetic frequency, energy and vibration and the entirety of space and time and those outside it must have a basis in the laws of physics in order to exist. That’s how and why the spiritual domain is really NOT THAT separable from the physical one.
Nothing you wrote was determined through scientific inquiry. It is just a nonsensical jumble of words. By the way, electromagnetic fields are only defined in space and time.
And that’s why I said the soul only has basis in electromagnetic laws but isn’t electromagnetic per se! And that’s because it cannot be determined wholly by atheistic man-made scientific direct inquiry. It can only be determined by HOLISTIC multi domain deductive indirect inquiry.
Man made science is not the only cause of reason in the universe, you have morality, Christianity, ethics, philosophy, metaphysics, ontology, geometry, heuristics or trial and error, epistemology etc!
so you think you have a better aproximación para el soul? Tell me then I’m waiting. Let’s see how smart you are.
I don’t need to call them all liars. They brought the lies and deception upon themselves is what it is. See the difference?
No, not really. At least not the way you tried to describe such difference. Can you elaborate on the distinction you are attempting to make?
And I'm not asking about BYU runners. I'm asking about Joseph Smith, the twelve witnesses, and the Angel Moroni. Some or all of those witnesses testified they saw and handled Angel Moroni's golden plates. Those golden plates were like 30 to 60 pounds -- hard to mistake. After Smith was done transcribing the golden plates into the Book or Mormon, the plates were placed back in the custody of Angel Moroni.
Are you saying all those beings were liars and their first-hand accounts were lies and this never happened? What evidence do you have that this was all fabricated?
I can’t believe you are so delusional about the Book of Mormon. It’s simple, the Lord God had spoken from Genesis to Revelation that the holy bibe is the first and last masterpiece supernatural living story ever created in space and time. At no point in this holy book was the name Joseph smith and angel moroni mentioned! Please repent of your delusion asap. Do you wanna go to heaven or Sheol?
To help you understand what is a soul I may only bring you to an approximate understanding and the rest depends on your lived experience with God.
A soul is an intangible field entity with no concrete coordinates in space and time. It is timeless. Outside space and outside time. It’s form is not an electromagnetic field per se but can be said to underpin electromagnetic fields and their physical causes and effects. It however surely must have and needs to have electromagnetic basis to exist though not electromagnetic per se.
everything in the universe is electromagnetic frequency, energy and vibration and the entirety of space and time and those outside it must have a basis in the laws of physics in order to exist. That’s how and why the spiritual domain is really NOT THAT separable from the physical one.
Nothing you wrote was determined through scientific inquiry. It is just a nonsensical jumble of words. By the way, electromagnetic fields are only defined in space and time.
Btw James Clerk Maxwell defined a special scenario of an electromagnetic entity at the infinite limits of space and time that is to mean outside it! That scenario is called a SCALAR wave. It is electromagnetic but simply excepcional!! Why? Because it’s even more intangible than the electron. It preceded the electron! Only God could ever come before one! Thus only El Soul could be the culprit that preceded the electron.
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To help you understand what is a soul I may only bring you to an approximate understanding and the rest depends on your lived experience with God.
A soul is an intangible field entity with no concrete coordinates in space and time. It is timeless. Outside space and outside time. It’s form is not an electromagnetic field per se but can be said to underpin electromagnetic fields and their physical causes and effects. It however surely must have and needs to have electromagnetic basis to exist though not electromagnetic per se.
everything in the universe is electromagnetic frequency, energy and vibration and the entirety of space and time and those outside it must have a basis in the laws of physics in order to exist. That’s how and why the spiritual domain is really NOT THAT separable from the physical one.
So when is soul formed? How can you kill a soul? When the Lord says I know you before you are born, does he refer to a spiritual life or physical body? What is happening to a soul when an abortion is performed?
I can’t believe you are so delusional about the Book of Mormon. It’s simple, the Lord God had spoken from Genesis to Revelation that the holy bibe is the first and last masterpiece supernatural living story ever created in space and time. At no point in this holy book was the name Joseph smith and angel moroni mentioned! Please repent of your delusion asap. Do you wanna go to heaven or Sheol?
Genesis was written in 1400 BC by Samuel. Revelation was written in 90 AD by John. Bible in today’s form was complied in 300 AD with the convention of Rome by Catholic Church. How do we know the Lord God decided to stop talking to people since then?
Sin is what separates people from God. Sin is what sends people to hell.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23 NIV
Without Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness of sins.
“For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1:13-14 NIV
You, your wife and a few million so called Christian " Republicans" voted for the a Casino owner, womanizer, lying, two faced cheater. Better know as Trump.
You, your wife, your Family and a few million so called non-believers "Democrats" voted for the Lying Liberal, with no plan, no answers for anything, lies about Trump ending social security and Medicare to scare elderly people, lies about the borders (while being in charge mind you), lies about concentration camps, lies about what women will be able to do with their own bodies...shall I go on?
No, not really. At least not the way you tried to describe such difference. Can you elaborate on the distinction you are attempting to make?
And I'm not asking about BYU runners. I'm asking about Joseph Smith, the twelve witnesses, and the Angel Moroni. Some or all of those witnesses testified they saw and handled Angel Moroni's golden plates. Those golden plates were like 30 to 60 pounds -- hard to mistake. After Smith was done transcribing the golden plates into the Book or Mormon, the plates were placed back in the custody of Angel Moroni.
Are you saying all those beings were liars and their first-hand accounts were lies and this never happened? What evidence do you have that this was all fabricated?
3 minutes of investigation into Joseph Smith should be enough for a rational person to discount the Mormons.
The man was convicted of being a con-artist in NY BEFORE he decided he was going to invent a religion.
Sounds familiar. A criminal in NY has just been anointed King of America.
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