Pain is temporary. 4th place in the Turkey Trot is forever!
Could not disagree more
Unless its chronic pain....forever more
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seattle prattle wrote:
Linsanity wrote:
More keyboard lawyers.
You do realize that your accusation might be construed as defamation and slander in a court of law, do you not?
What are you talking about? This isn't defamation in any sense of the word.
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Noturkey wrote:
Stops his watch…
What a pro!!
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MD take on a high-risk move wrote:
S O L wrote:
It’s not hilarious at all. What he did is something to be ashamed of. Of course now that we know both runners escaped with relatively minor injuries but had it been a head injury, different story. I hope he looks back with shame instead of a laugh.
Any of these things, all of them vary rare for road racing, could EASILY have happened here:
- Fracture or ligament tear (think knees, ankles, wrists)
- Concussion
- Post-traumatic stress disorder (could still happen)
- COVID-19 infectionTotally worth it. I'd put this guy on my Club Team. We need more runners willing to try/hold their position at the finish.
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To any more supporters of Xavier who thinks it is fair game to cross from the middle to the right to cut someone off to win: it is against the rules. You have to run in a straight line, not box someone in.
USATF Rule 168.3 "Each competitor shall run in a direct line after entering the final straightaway in all races of two or more turns unless there is another competitor in his or her path.”
It is clear cut, even before you get to the collision. The video from the side view showed he looked over his shoulder, saw Jack, and tried to cut him off by abruptly veering right across his path. Then there is the crazy ass hip check to take him out, as seen the the view from the reporter’s perspective. So, it is not a matter of competitive spirit and cunning to purposely cut someone off to win. It is purely against the rules.
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Cornell cow college graduate wrote: It also looks like he went to Cornell Cow college (CALS). Some twit Intent on going to an Ivy League wouls do this as a last resort
Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (CALS) is ranked first in the USA in one ranking linked below. In the other, it is ranked second in the USA (Harvard is ranked fifth in the same ranking).
If I lived in New York State and wanted to pursue a career in medicine, I think it might be my top target school for a pre-med program, and it would be of great interest to me even if I lived outside of New York State. One of my high school classmates was rejected and attended another Ivy. He then went to med school and is now a doctor but could have saved a ton of money had he attended Cornell's CALS with its lower tuition for in-state residents. And there is a multitude of reasons to attend for people with other career interests.
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xvcvxcv wrote:
Cornell cow college graduate wrote: It also looks like he went to Cornell Cow college (CALS). Some twit Intent on going to an Ivy League wouls do this as a last resort
Cornell University's College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (CALS) is ranked first in the USA in one ranking linked below. In the other, it is ranked second in the USA (Harvard is ranked fifth in the same ranking).
If I lived in New York State and wanted to pursue a career in medicine, I think it might be my top target school for a pre-med program, and it would be of great interest to me even if I lived outside of New York State. One of my high school classmates was rejected and attended another Ivy. He then went to med school and is now a doctor but could have saved a ton of money had he attended Cornell's CALS with its lower tuition for in-state residents. And there is a multitude of reasons to attend for people with other career interests.
I add that, in particular, if I wanted a career in veterinary medicine, I would want to attend CALS as an undergraduate as it might be a preferred channel to Cornell's College of Veterinary Medicine which is ranked first or second in the USA in the rankings below:
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Jack Huber should have been DQ if anything, he should have not run over the other runner. If he had so much left in his legs he should have passed with 200 yards to go, not in the last 40 yards at the pinch point.
There is no rule you have to run in a straight line, veering is allowed the passer has to go around. Thats road racing...
Steve Prefonatiane would have been DQ'd for doing this to Gerry Lingren all the time if this was really a thing. Gerry Lingren pushed right back and didn't let himself get run into the crowd...
Jack Huber was just stupid and reckless and made a poor judgement call. The to be a cry baby, very lame....
Since it was pretty meaningless and he didn't pass them all when he had the chance, he should have just followed the convoy through the finish.
It was poor sportsmanship and dirty move, but it was the seemingly entitled jerk Jack Huber, drafting then trying to snipe at the line.
What's next crying about runners making others go around them on the outside and pushing them far out on the track? lol
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Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
not much in it wrote:
You have an interesting idea of the definition of “support”. Also, his place is not relevant to my comment.
I think my definition of support in the context of your post isn't complicated. You said (quote) "I don't really have an issue with runners in front drifting to make it hard for chasers to pass them". That act of "drifting" ended up with someone clattering into a steel railing and injuring themselves pretty badly and, I'm going to assume, making the rest of their thanksgiving pretty miserable. So if you don't have an issue with it then what exactly is your position? You're fine with it - you support it. I mean we are just playing stupid semantics. Like you, stupid.
The difference with not having an issue with something and supporting it is not mere “semantics”. It’s notable.
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cepe10 wrote:
Jack Huber should have been DQ if anything, he should have not run over the other runner. If he had so much left in his legs he should have passed with 200 yards to go, not in the last 40 yards at the pinch point.
There is no rule you have to run in a straight line, veering is allowed the passer has to go around. Thats road racing...
Steve Prefonatiane would have been DQ'd for doing this to Gerry Lingren all the time if this was really a thing. Gerry Lingren pushed right back and didn't let himself get run into the crowd...
Jack Huber was just stupid and reckless and made a poor judgement call. The to be a cry baby, very lame....
Since it was pretty meaningless and he didn't pass them all when he had the chance, he should have just followed the convoy through the finish.
It was poor sportsmanship and dirty move, but it was the seemingly entitled jerk Jack Huber, drafting then trying to snipe at the line.
What's next crying about runners making others go around them on the outside and pushing them far out on the track? lol
This was exactly my point. According to objective lawful precedence (I doubled checked with a DC Ivy League lawyer friend), Mr Jack Huber was technically in the wrong, for I had the “right of way,” as it were. Vis a vis, I demand no retribution against Mr Jack Huber nor do I demand an apology. What’s done is done and it is what it is. And in the spirit of this CHRISTmas season, I wish peace for all as we wait for the birth of the Lord King
-XS
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Big Red and Proud wrote:
cepe10 wrote:
Jack Huber should have been DQ if anything, he should have not run over the other runner. If he had so much left in his legs he should have passed with 200 yards to go, not in the last 40 yards at the pinch point.
There is no rule you have to run in a straight line, veering is allowed the passer has to go around. Thats road racing...
Steve Prefonatiane would have been DQ'd for doing this to Gerry Lingren all the time if this was really a thing. Gerry Lingren pushed right back and didn't let himself get run into the crowd...
Jack Huber was just stupid and reckless and made a poor judgement call. The to be a cry baby, very lame....
Since it was pretty meaningless and he didn't pass them all when he had the chance, he should have just followed the convoy through the finish.
It was poor sportsmanship and dirty move, but it was the seemingly entitled jerk Jack Huber, drafting then trying to snipe at the line.
What's next crying about runners making others go around them on the outside and pushing them far out on the track? lol
This was exactly my point. According to objective lawful precedence (I doubled checked with a DC Ivy League lawyer friend), Mr Jack Huber was technically in the wrong, for I had the “right of way,” as it were. Vis a vis, I demand no retribution against Mr Jack Huber nor do I demand an apology. What’s done is done and it is what it is. And in the spirit of this CHRISTmas season, I wish peace for all as we wait for the birth of the Lord King
-XS
Oh no...You're a Christian cheat. That's even worse, bad behavior from those who profess to be holy.
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Cornell cow college graduate wrote:
It also looks like he went to Cornell Cow college (CALS). Some twit Intent on going to an Ivy League wouls do this as a last resort
When I first read "cow college," I thought you might be writing affectionately. But then I quickly saw that you were being negative. As some posts above indicate, Cornell's "cow college" is exceptionally well regarded in published rankings. I know, I know, rankings are fast falling out-of-favor, but still they are reliable enough to refute your gist.
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Nah... wrote:
FatSlowLurker wrote:
If he attempted to ram the guy it was a completely ineffectual ram - you can see from the video that the other runner continues forward, does not veer from his line at all. Right at the line, he throws his right hip and shoulder to the right. In my honest opinion, having watched the dad’s video frame by frame several times, it looked like he was trying to throw himself across the line and possibly also block his fellow competitor, which is dirty as f*ck, but a fundamentally different thing than ramming somebody into a barrier on purpose. After he throws himself in front of the other runner and across the finish line, their legs tangle and they both go down. Cutting off the other runner and trying to block him is dirty as f*ck, but a slow-motion review of the dad’s own video shows that there was no “ramming.” At worst there was an attempted ram that missed, but I really think he was “just” trying to close the door and they got tangled up. The DQ was absolutely deserved, but all of the pile-on that this guy is getting is over the top.
You're making a distinction between "ramming" and throwing his body in front of his competitor running full speed.
You can't logically make this distinction.
It's like you're saying there's a difference between elbowing somebody and getting in front of somebody, sticking your elbow in front of their face last second and having them run into it.
Obviously this works the same if you were to swerve your car in front of traffic before they can stop.
Yes, I am. I am making a distinction between throwing one's body *into* somebody else versus throwing one's body *in front of* somebody else. I understand that you're not supposed to do either one of those things in a race, but they are fundamentally different things. The full extent of the similarity between them is that they're both bad. But they're not even remotely the same thing as each other.
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To elaborate - I do believe that Mr. Xavier threw his body in front of his fellow competitor to impede him and prevent him from beating him to the finish line. That's illegal and worthy of a DQ. But I do not believe that he attempted to "ram" (strike) his fellow competitor, and again, if he did, he missed. If you watch the video and actually pay attention, you will see that the only contact between the two was their feet getting tangled up. The "ram," even if attempted, did not occur.
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How long before running podcasts start inviting Xavier on to "tell his side of the story?"...
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It was a stupid move - but at the end of a hard fought 10k, I don't know that I am thinking straight in the final 100m. Not that I would do anything completely crazy, but something like this if I am completely wiped and want to do well... who knows.
It was wrong, it was a bonehead move - he should be DQ'ed - and the rest of us, I think can just say justice has been served, let's let by gones be by gones and move on. I doubt either of them are bad guys - they are devoted, competitive runners.16 -
Cows are ruminants wrote:
Cornell cow college graduate wrote:
It also looks like he went to Cornell Cow college (CALS). Some twit Intent on going to an Ivy League wouls do this as a last resort
When I first read "cow college," I thought you might be writing affectionately. But then I quickly saw that you were being negative. As some posts above indicate, Cornell's "cow college" is exceptionally well regarded in published rankings. I know, I know, rankings are fast falling out-of-favor, but still they are reliable enough to refute your gist.
Sage Canaday and Andy Bernard along with the Turkey Trot perp are evidence against.
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