Jump on the bandwagon now. Parker Valby is officially a SENSATION!!! Should we hand her the NCAA 5000 and 10,000 records now?

This is not directed to you specifically, but just in general. Trying to compare any outdoor XC course / race / runner times to an indoor track course / race / runner times is useless. There are too many variables (wind, weather, footing, time of day, dogs barking etc) that come into play, as well as the fact that you are talking about races months apart.

I would say it is very difficult to even compare indoor track times to outdoor track times...but to do it with XC is useless.

Which was why the 14:40 comment was also silly....but having said that, the 14:40 time was based on a the length of the SEC course, so whether it was a short course or not was very relevant to that discussion.

The youtube vid posted has a quote that a brojo attributes to 'Jonathon Gault Kellogg', which claims that the race result points to 'low 14:40s' IF the course is accurate. That is a big if. Also, since Mercy was 7 seconds back, that would put her at ballpark 14:50. This is all just hype to generate clicks.

You have no understanding of what it takes to cut down a 12 sec lead when the runner in front isn't slowing. Tuohy made the last 2k look like a handicap race.

If it was so easy, why didn' she run better at BU? The women in the 3000 ran much better than she did. Adn why are her race tatics so poor? Is he not too bright? She let Valby get so far ahhead. Is her coach just really poor at providing a race plan? ?henes has areputation of being a great recruiter but not a great coach. Seems true now that we saw Tuohy run terrible tactics and then a bad race the next week. Luck she is so much more talented than the competition.

I think Tuohy's tactic at the XC final was risky but whoever wins is not wrong. And others have argued that it boosted team morale that she stayed with the pack for so long, and eventually it demonstrated her superior ability. In any case there is no argument that it made for a highly exciting race!

And running basically the same time after XC as in the summer before is not a a bad race. If you go by (outdoor) WA points, 8:50 is only marginally better than 15:14/15, hardly a difference.

Correct but how much did she beat those women by in XC? That is the point. Tuohy's performance so much worse thatn those women in comparison to their performacnes one week before.

Comparing the XC performances of Valby to the women in the 3000 and 5000, she would have run 8:45 and 15:00 at BU.

Tuohy says "hills pay the bills". There were no hills at BU and there will still be no hills when Valby arrives.

And there were no hills in the outdoor 5000 last May.

Valby broke her foot in January.

You used a minor injury of Tuohy's as an excuse for over a year.

Knee surgery is a minor injury? Sure.

On Emma's podcast Valby said she stayed pretty fit via cross training while the foot healed.

It didn't help Valby very much to have a 12 sec lead. Tuohy chewed through it like a lawnmower through fresh grass. Such terrible tactics.

Just one more ting that shows Tuohy is not a very smart runner. She chooses an average school. She spots Valby a huge lead. She thinks hills pay bills. Track is what pays bills. Hills pay no bills. Ask any sponsor which events they focus on. USA champs. Olympics, World champs. Diamond League. But poor little Tuohy will be stuck in her HS cross country mentality when Valby is earning a nice living on the track.

So Tuohy's tactics were better? Does that mean if Valby ran better tactics, she would have won? Seems like Astro has been saying that Tuohy had to overcome the deficit she created. But now you are claiming that Tuohy's tactics were superior. I wich you guys would come up with the consensus opinion.

Who has the trophy? End of story.

Based on your history of doping accusations, you're saying that Touhy is doping.

Therefore next May will be different.

Yet with her bad tactics of being 12 seconds behind, she still won, so you're saying she's obviously doping, right?