Despite the stated policy here of incorporating Covid discussion into one thread the proliferation of denier threads continues. It is quite clear that this site is a willing platform for views that undermine public health.
This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Despite the stated policy here of incorporating Covid discussion into one thread the proliferation of denier threads continues. It is quite clear that this site is a willing platform for views that undermine public health.
The hospitals are filled with unvaccinated people.
yeah- with Omicron, the vax doesn't prevent you from getting the virus. I just dramatically reduces the symptoms for you. I've known a slew of people that have recently gotten Omicron. All those that have been vaxxed and boosted... very minor symptoms. Like, barely having a cold for a day or two. The few that haven't been vaccinated... super sick for two weeks. Fever, lost sense of smell, in bed, feeling awful.
your choice. the vaccine has only been given like 8 billion times around the world, so... perhaps not tested enough for you.
GivingItMyAll wrote:
... the vaccine has only been given like 8 billion times around the world, so... perhaps not tested enough for you.
Correction. 9.37 billion doses of the vaccine have been administered to 3.92 billion people.
CrispyChicken wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
It will actually be over but the powers that be will keep the fear and the vaxxing going
Or until the powers that be keep manipulating the strains until they perfect their ultimate bioweapon to rid the world of the weak and enslave the strong.
Yeah...look at this developing story!
"Pfizer CEO says omicron vaccine will be ready in March."
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/01/10/covid-vaccine-pfizer-ceo-says-omicron-vaccine-will-be-ready-in-march.htmlGotta feel some sympathy for vaxxers - they'll be triple-vaxxed plus the Omicron special-order vaxx this March! Unbelievable!
I'll be happy to take my Omicron vaccine. As- it will likely be better against the next variant that mutates from Omicron.
here's some data in a twitter thread (but from a reliable source - our world in data) that gives a pretty good visualization of the benefits of being 'boosted'.
https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1480559694817075202
so- what's the downside of getting vaxxed and boosted again?
75 still alive wrote:
Birkoboy wrote:
I'm 33 and healthy and never saw the point in getting it since we were past the peak, so what's the point in getting it now?
There never was any good reason for getting the toxic dangerous shots. The sooner people realize this the better.
That is a dangerous and irresponsible comment.
Noyankee wrote:
Obviously the CDC is full of crap, like the clueless Supreme Court Justice.
Do you even write what you type?
I'm going to post here a comment I made in another thread. I'm triple vaxxed and have constantly tried to get 3 unvaxxed friends to get vaccinated, but they won't do it. But what I don't like about this is how they are made out to be villians. Do people not understand why many people are skeptical? While I think they are wrong, I get where the sentiment comes from. Let me share an anecdote. This morning, I read an article from last week's WSJ that was sitting on my breakfast table (hadn't had time to get to it last week). If people wonder why there is widespread vaccination doubt, all you need to do is read this article. It's about Biogen's new Alzheimer's drug Aduhlem. Check this out.
WSJ wrote:
For more than a decade, Biogen Inc.worked on a new drug for Alzheimer’s disease that seemed to have blockbuster potential.
Early results were so impressive that Biogen raced toward regulatory approval—a risky gambit that drove up the stock as investors anticipated sales of the first approved drug in nearly two decades to slow the advancement of a disease affecting six million Americans.
Then Biogen changed its mind. The company made an unusual decision to abruptly stop its trials and declare that the drug didn’t work—then reversed course and said the drug did work after all.
The Food and Drug Administration approved the drug in June under a program that fast-tracks promising treatments, despite disagreements within the agency over its efficacy.
The result is a pricey therapy now on the market, Aduhelm, that regulators say isn’t fully proven to work against Alzheimer’s disease. Many patients aren’t taking it because doctors are reluctant to prescribe Aduhelm and Medicare hasn’t decided if it will pay for the drug.
Biogen launched Aduhelm in June at a price of $56,000 a year, only to backtrack in December and cut the price in half to quell backlash over the price....
Harvard Professor of Medicine Aaron Kesselheim, who was on the outside-adviser committee and resigned from it to protest the approval, in his resignation letter called it “probably the worst drug approval decision in recent U.S. history.” Dr. Kesselheim in an email said he objected to the approval because Aduhelm “has no clear evidence of efficacy plus the very real risk of potentially serious harms” and because the FDA’s “process was problematic due to the last-minute switch to accelerated approval.”
So a really important drug was determined to be futile by the company that makes it. They then changed their mind and decide to sell it - for $56,000 . The FDA approves the sale of the drug as long as more studies are done on it- so basically the FDA is admitting they aren't sure it works.
Do people not realize the impact decisions like this have long term on people's faith in the whole FDA/CDC system?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/biogen-fda-aduhelm-alzheimers-drug-approval-11641327408https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/21/health/aduhelm-alzheimers-drug.htmlrojo wrote:
Do people not realize the impact decisions like this have long term on people's faith in the whole FDA/CDC system?
WSJ 21DEC2021:
How Fauci and Collins Shut Down Covid Debate
They worked with the media to trash the Great Barrington Declaration.
In public, Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins urge Americans to "follow the science." In private, the two sainted public-health officials schemed to quash dissenting views from top scientists. That's the troubling but fair conclusion from emails obtained recently via the Freedom of Information Act by the American Institute for Economic Research.
The tale unfolded in October 2020 after the launch of the Great Barrington Declaration, a statement by Harvard's Martin Kulldorff, Oxford's Sunetra Gupta and Stanford's Jay Bhattacharya against blanket pandemic lockdowns. They favored a policy of what they called "focused protection" of high-risk populations such as the elderly or those with medical conditions. Thousands of scientists signed the declarationif they were able to learn about it. We tried to give it some elevation on these pages.
That didn't please the lockdown consensus enforced by public-health officials and the press. Dr. Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health until Sunday, sent an email on Oct. 8, 2020, to Dr. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
"This proposal from the three fringe epidemiologists . . . seems to be getting a lot of attention and even a co-signature from Nobel Prize winner Mike Leavitt at Stanford. There needs to be a quick and devastating published take down of its premises," Dr. Collins wrote. "Is it underway?"
These researchers weren't fringe and neither was their opposition to quarantining society. But in the panic over the virus, these two voices of science used their authority to stigmatize dissenters and crush debate. A week after his email, Dr. Collins spoke to the Washington Post about the Great Barrington Declaration. "This is a fringe component of epidemiology," he said. "This is not mainstream science. It's dangerous." His message spread and the alternative strategy was dismissed in most precincts.
As usual, Infowars is ahead of the curve. People will reject this information outright because of the website writing the article, but the indisputable fact is that this data comes from the government itself, and you can find the primary source in the article.
Pandemic of the vaccinated. Probably explains why more covid cases and deaths in the Americas after mass-vaccine rollout than before -
https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/12/1108012
https://www.infowars.com/posts/bombshell-nearly-75-of-uk-covid-deaths-were-vaxxed-govt-data-shows/
Nothing to see here. Just take ur jabs like good little citizens
rojo wrote:
I'm going to post here a comment I made in another thread. I'm triple vaxxed and have constantly tried to get 3 unvaxxed friends to get vaccinated, but they won't do it. But what I don't like about this is how they are made out to be villians. Do people not understand why many people are skeptical? While I think they are wrong, I get where the sentiment comes from.
Let me share an anecdote. This morning, I read an article from last week's WSJ that was sitting on my breakfast table (hadn't had time to get to it last week). If people wonder why there is widespread vaccination doubt, all you need to do is read this article. It's about Biogen's new Alzheimer's drug Aduhlem.
Check this out.
WSJ wrote:
For more than a decade, Biogen Inc.worked on a new drug for Alzheimer’s disease that seemed to have blockbuster potential.
Early results were so impressive that Biogen raced toward regulatory approval—a risky gambit that drove up the stock as investors anticipated sales of the first approved drug in nearly two decades to slow the advancement of a disease affecting six million Americans.
Then Biogen changed its mind. The company made an unusual decision to abruptly stop its trials and declare that the drug didn’t work—then reversed course and said the drug did work after all.
The Food and Drug Administration approved the drug in June under a program that fast-tracks promising treatments, despite disagreements within the agency over its efficacy.
The result is a pricey therapy now on the market, Aduhelm, that regulators say isn’t fully proven to work against Alzheimer’s disease. Many patients aren’t taking it because doctors are reluctant to prescribe Aduhelm and Medicare hasn’t decided if it will pay for the drug.
Biogen launched Aduhelm in June at a price of $56,000 a year, only to backtrack in December and cut the price in half to quell backlash over the price....
Harvard Professor of Medicine Aaron Kesselheim, who was on the outside-adviser committee and resigned from it to protest the approval, in his resignation letter called it “probably the worst drug approval decision in recent U.S. history.” Dr. Kesselheim in an email said he objected to the approval because Aduhelm “has no clear evidence of efficacy plus the very real risk of potentially serious harms” and because the FDA’s “process was problematic due to the last-minute switch to accelerated approval.”
So a really important drug was determined to be futile by the company that makes it. They then changed their mind and decide to sell it - for $56,000 . The FDA approves the sale of the drug as long as more studies are done on it- so basically the FDA is admitting they aren't sure it works.
Do people not realize the impact decisions like this have long term on people's faith in the whole FDA/CDC system?
Were any of the many, many misgivings about Aduhelm covered up? The FDA advisory panel debate, the narrow approval contingent on an additional trial, and the tremendous backlash have all been front-page stories!
Aduhelm could still work–but it probably doesn't–and the pricing insane given the value it currently provides, but you have to agree that all of this was done with transparency. Isn't that GOOD?
Alzheimers is a devastating disease with basically no effective treatments, there is tremendous pressure on everyone, Pharma, doctors, the FDA, etc. to approve something, ANYTHING, that might help. I don't think this justifies pushing dubiously effective drugs onto the market, but I don't begrudge the desperation that Alzheimers patients, caretakers, doctors, and researchers have.
This is a completely different scenario than vaccine with outstanding safety and efficacy records. I fail to see how the FDA's the decision here has any bearing on the vaccine "debate."
75 still alive wrote:
Birkoboy wrote:
I'm 33 and healthy and never saw the point in getting it since we were past the peak, so what's the point in getting it now?
There never was any good reason for getting the toxic dangerous shots. The sooner people realize this the better.
Quebec came up with an interesting way to overcome vaccine hesitancy:
https://dailyhive.com/toronto/quebec-vaccine-appointments-increasedNow in order to get one toxic liquid, you have to get another toxic liquid first.
Had round 1 of Covid in November 2020 and it was pretty rough. Experienced just about every symptom. Never got the jab. No problems with any sort of sickness since then until about 4 days ago.
One of my coworkers had been sick and had a couple kids test positive. He tested himself and got a positive as well. I got sick not too long after that. Never got tested but I would’ve known it was Covid even if my coworker wasn’t positive. Everything was just a lessened version of the first time I had Covid. Lost my taste a little bit, ran a small fever at times, headache for part of a day, body aches for a day. I only felt pretty bad for 1 day and even then it wasn’t bad enough that I couldn’t fake that I was feeling fine and get my work done. Just some lingering symptoms after that and I feel like I’m almost back to 100% at the end of my 4th day.
No point in getting tested since they don’t actually help you with treatment or anything. Work still needs to get done, and can’t do that from home. I’m not letting anyone keep me from working.
75 still alive wrote:
There never was any good reason for getting the toxic dangerous shots. The sooner people realize this the better.
jamese1045@hotmail.comwrote:
That is a dangerous and irresponsible comment.
I fully support your right to remain clueless and to get the toxic dangerous shots.
joed|rtyy wrote:
Quebec came up with an interesting way to overcome vaccine hesitancy:
https://dailyhive.com/toronto/quebec-vaccine-appointments-increasedNow in order to get one toxic liquid, you have to get another toxic liquid first.
They keep pushing it forward inch by an inch, to try and keep people confused and obedient.
https://i.postimg.cc/7Yzy4qjg/frog.jpgI just came in here to say thank you for putting all of this misinformation in one spot - I can finally enjoy the boards again. Carry on.
It's weird to see the vaccinated get so angry. Guess they know deep-down they got DUPED. Signed up for a lifetime of boosters every 3-6 months as their immune systems slowly but surely degrade (assuming an acute reaction doesn't kill 'em).
No wonder they hate hearing about alternative, cheap, effective treatments.
But we the peasants aren't allowed to have these treatments. Big Pharma would NOT be happy!
uhhhh.. wrote:
It's weird to see the vaccinated get so angry. Guess they know deep-down they got DUPED. Signed up for a lifetime of boosters every 3-6 months as their immune systems slowly but surely degrade (assuming an acute reaction doesn't kill 'em).
No wonder they hate hearing about alternative, cheap, effective treatments.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/26/joe_rogan_says_dr_pierre_kory_treated_200_members_of_congress_with_ivermectin.htmlBut we the peasants aren't allowed to have these treatments. Big Pharma would NOT be happy!
Just come to Florida and you can get real treatments
Fauci refused to answer Rand Paul at today's hearing. Fauci should be fired, but that will not happen.
