Tribute to 02:20 Marathon

Ok. Then I guess this is just a bizarre and inexplicable gps anomaly.

highhoppingworm wrote:

Ok. Then I guess this is just a bizarre and inexplicable gps anomaly.

Open strava from pc, all laps are different length 380-410 range. Same I have on my garmin app. I checked another athletes who ran on this and other tracks, all laps length are different as +, and as -.

I ran last week one of the easy day, and during day I did a couple of 400m repeats in a straight line. I measured straight line by walk with gps in one way, than another way to be sure, and did 2x400 at pace 02:48-02:55 in order to test my legs, I succeed test well with nice feeling that I have power in my legs.

Interesting. I just haven’t seen gps measure short on a track I guess.

Again, not attempting to take away from your workout. This is just coming from the angle of someone who at one time was stupidly running gps workouts on the track.

Let's talk about what to do if cardiovascular system is not growing anymore?:

1) increase running volume (12-20 hours weekly?)

2) add to easy runs more gradient (1%+)

3) start to develop other muscles: hands, back

4) run with increased weight

5) train on high altitude terrain

6) EPO and other doping...

7) Something else?

highhoppingworm wrote:

Interesting. I just haven’t seen gps measure short on a track I guess.

Again, not attempting to take away from your workout. This is just coming from the angle of someone who at one time was stupidly running gps workouts on the track.

It doesn't really matter, but if one follows round the laps, it doesn't look like Slava actually ran entire lap, he seems to have started some way along the straight and stopped at the end of the bend. There might well be some explanation for that, though.

In the beginning everybody sad that I'm fake and not exist. Then everybody sad that my treadmill is bulsh@t and not calibrated.

When I touch downed and have adaptation period and some difficulties due to different strides, diff muscles and low iron level, everybody sad that my performance even worse than expected and all training is bulsh@t.

When I got a track, everybody sad that my track is bulsh@t and I ran not a complete laps.

Interesting, what you will say next: let me guess, my garmin 935 is wrong and bulsh@t, not accurate time.

44th week:

Mo: e

Tu: e

We: track 16x400 @69sec

Th: e

Fri: easy 50min @04:26,

avg heart rate=144,

Legs are recovered and light

Canefis wrote:

In the beginning everybody sad that I'm fake and not exist. Then everybody sad that my treadmill is bulsh@t and not calibrated.

When I touch downed and have adaptation period and some difficulties due to different strides, diff muscles and low iron level, everybody sad that my performance even worse than expected and all training is bulsh@t.

When I got a track, everybody sad that my track is bulsh@t and I ran not a complete laps.

Interesting, what you will say next: let me guess, my garmin 935 is wrong and bulsh@t, not accurate time.

The reason is that JS is involved. JS has a history of apparently fictitious coaching assignments preposing to achieve crazy goals, and a history of posting under false handles. At the beginning, this thread had all the hallmarks of another such example. You yourself have also occasionally used JS 'tells' such as the smiley thing he uses, which does not help matters.

Thus people are trying to distinguish fact from fiction. The thing is that every JS thread has some unusual aspect to it. You will I'm sure recognise that your case is very unusual. If it were not for the GPS data, most people would I think still dismiss this thread as fictitious. But as I pointed out, there are some weird things in the GPS data too (GPS discrepancies should not account for partial laps), which sows some doubt even now.

On the other hand, you post some interesting ideas, so it is intriguing to see how things will develop. Posting every day is perhaps a little excessive, though: imagine if all LetsRun contributors did that! Weekly is probably sufficient, or you could switch to the general training thread.

I like to post daily.

Once again, my post it was only my idea, not a JS. He is just my coach.

I want to share my experience of training for everybody, receive feedback, experience of other runners, mistakes some excellent ideas which may work effectively and so on.

Canefis,

Myself and I suspect most other people are rooting for you and at a minimum are interested in following.

In fairness I think what you are seeing is the following:

1) Absolute skepticism of your coach. There is a long history that explains this.

2) The stated goal of this thread which extends way beyond ambitious. While you are working admirably and improving your current fitness is many light years from a 2:20 marathon.

3) In fairness to the track stuff your GPS does in fact show you stopping well short of the starting point on nearly every rep. Maybe this is winky GPS data but it’s not like it can’t be clearly seen when reviewing the lap data.

I really do hope to see you succeed and dropping some fast times in coming months. I just think the difference is what we consider fast. I think it would be astounding if you can run under 2:40 and under 1:15 in the full and HM. That said, I still suspect something in the 2:50s and the mid to high 1:teens.

Canefis wrote:

Let's talk about what to do if cardiovascular system is not growing anymore?:

1) increase running volume (12-20 hours weekly?)

2) add to easy runs more gradient (1%+)

3) start to develop other muscles: hands, back

4) run with increased weight

5) train on high altitude terrain

6) EPO and other doping...

7) Something else?

The biggest gains I have seen as a new runner have been.

1) Consistency

2) Finding a balance between volume and pace. I tried the 70-85 mpw week slow days at 7:45-8:00 minute pace and it didn’t work well for me (at least not yet). I have been seeing the beat gains as 65 mpw and easy days 7:00-7:30.

3) Sleep and nutrition (weight is a part of this)

So, everybody believes that I stopped few meters before finish 400m? :))) and cheat everybody and yourself, for what??.

So, what need: full continues video from start point till finish at the same point 20 times? ?+overlay of counter clock on video?

highhoppingworm wrote:

Canefis wrote:

Let's talk about what to do if cardiovascular system is not growing anymore?:

1) increase running volume (12-20 hours weekly?)

2) add to easy runs more gradient (1%+)

3) start to develop other muscles: hands, back

4) run with increased weight

5) train on high altitude terrain

6) EPO and other doping...

7) Something else?

The biggest gains I have seen as a new runner have been.

1) Consistency

2) Finding a balance between volume and pace. I tried the 70-85 mpw week slow days at 7:45-8:00 minute pace and it didn’t work well for me (at least not yet). I have been seeing the beat gains as 65 mpw and easy days 7:00-7:30.

3) Sleep and nutrition (weight is a part of this)

Thanks.

Are you fast twitch or slow twitch guy?

I don't think it really matters. It is just odd. At the end of the day what matters are race performances. If I recall you have a 10k coming up in a few weeks. That should be a good indicator of what the possibilities look like.

I am definitely a fairly fast twitch person. I was a high jumper (over 2.1m)/long jumper (over 7m) in my youth as well as a soccer player. I am also fairly large @ 6'2 185-190 (current, was lighter a few months ago).

44th week (completed):

Mo: e

Tu: e

We: track 16x400 @69sec

Th: e

Fri: e

Sat: e 120min @04:30,

avg heart rate=143,

Legs are perfect

Conclusions:

1) At easy pace avg heart rate drops 3.9 beats for last 2 weeks of training or 1.85 beats per week

2) at workouts, cannot say nothing, as I had only one workout session 16x400 @69sec. If compare with last treadmill workout (20x400 @72sec set with 2.8% incline which was equal by oxygen consumption theory calculator to pace 02:48 min/km (67sec). Yes, my land session was even slower. Soon I will be able to hold 67 sec at track at least, I hope. We will see what will decide my coach.

3) waiting LT workouts from my coach.

highhoppingworm wrote:

The biggest gains I have seen as a new runner have been.

1) Consistency

2) Finding a balance between volume and pace. I tried the 70-85 mpw week slow days at 7:45-8:00 minute pace and it didn’t work well for me (at least not yet). I have been seeing the beat gains as 65 mpw and easy days 7:00-7:30.

3) Sleep and nutrition (weight is a part of this)

How long did you stick at the higher mileage, before deciding lower was better?

What metric did you use to decide lower was better, given that all races have been cancelled?

Does being FT influence your training in any way?

45th week (next):

Mo: easy 50min @04:20

Tu: track 20x400 @71-72s, rec w/120

We: easy 60min @04:30

Th: easy 80min @04:20

Fri: easy 50min @04:20

Sat: track LT-intervals 12x1000 @03:15min/km, rec wl/120

Sun: off