Jakob and Filip to run 800m on tuesday june 30th

the beagle wrote:

Further, that one poster did not claim 1:49 would be his lifetime max as you state.

Doubling down with lies on top of lies.

That's his usual behaviour.

Coevett wrote:

the beagle wrote:

Notice the lie.

'LateRunnerPhil' literally does on the first page of this thread

Anyway, watching the race again and I think it's clear Jakob was simply making sure he beat his brother - who remember ran 2:16 for 1000m in a time trial just the other week (the 34th fastest in the European all-time list). It's clear that Jakob could easily break 1:45 in a better race later in the season.

https://youtu.be/DKRExMmiQfo

If you take your 'Jakob is King' goggles off for a second you will see he is working very hard all the way to the line and then dips. He is not 'simply beating his brother'.

If Jakob took the pace out rather than Filip I'd expect the result was reversed. Filip narrowly edge Jakob in 1:46.5 to Jakob in 1:46.7

Jakob ran a positive second lap. ~ 52.5 then 54. He was tying up. Doesn't have the lactic tolerance to run the 800 times you think.

With more practice I'd see a time under 1:45.5 with a similar first lap of ~52

I meant he was following Filip for most of the race. Filip did a Tim on him and slowed it down.

Coevett wrote:

I meant he was following Filip for most of the race. Filip did a Tim on him and slowed it down.

OK, without his stupid brother he would have run sub 1:45, correct?

slowwer wrote:

Coevett wrote:

I meant he was following Filip for most of the race. Filip did a Tim on him and slowed it down.

OK, without his stupid brother he would have run sub 1:45, correct?

Even for him, that was too stupid of a post.

52 high at 400, 1:18 at 600, so constant pace, and 25 metres later Jakob starts moving out to pass.

How on earth is that Filip slowing it down?

Seriously, what a pathological liar.

Yashin was the best wrote:

slowwer wrote:

OK, without his stupid brother he would have run sub 1:45, correct?

Even for him, that was too stupid of a post.

52 high at 400, 1:18 at 600, so constant pace, and 25 metres later Jakob starts moving out to pass.

How on earth is that Filip slowing it down?

Seriously, what a pathological liar.

Regarding the circumstances, it was an almost perfect race for J Ingebrigtsen. Close to perfect splits, pacing until the straight. 1:46.4, that's what he was capable of on this day (can't say how much of an negativ impact an emty stadium does have - if any). Good chance that this will remain his lifetime PB. If he does some serious attempts in good international races with some concentration on the event, he might break 1:46, but never 1:45. But if he stays healthy and motivated, he has some (small) chances for almost any european record (european born athletes) from 1500m to HM.

Yashin was the best wrote:

slowwer wrote:

OK, without his stupid brother he would have run sub 1:45, correct?

Even for him, that was too stupid of a post.

52 high at 400, 1:18 at 600, so constant pace, and 25 metres later Jakob starts moving out to pass.

How on earth is that Filip slowing it down?

Seriously, what a pathological liar.

Seriously, anyone can just watch the video and see that Jakob makes his move to pass Filip coming into the home straight, not after 625m. So Filip was slowing down from around 600m and when Jakob did pass him he accelerated away from him pretty easily.

And then you accuse me of being a liar?

Not 'blaming' Filip,, just pointing out that wasn't Jakob's optimal 800m time, never mind in an empty stadium with the only 'racing' he's had this season against his brother in lockdown.

And the poster saying that that will be Jakob's lifetime pb - plain ridiculous.

Although come back in 3 or 4 years time and when Jakob has ran a 1:42 at Zurich, and I post that people were saying here that 1:46 would be his lifetime pb, the usual suspects will be denying it and calling me a compulsive liar.

Coevett wrote:

Seriously, anyone can just watch the video and see that Jakob makes his move to pass Filip coming into the home straight, not after 625m. So Filip was slowing down from around 600m and when Jakob did pass him he accelerated away from him pretty easily.

And then you accuse me of being a liar?

And the poster saying that that will be Jakob's lifetime pb - plain ridiculous.

As far as I know, no poster has said this will remain JI's lifetime PB.

Before I would bet on a 1:42 in Zurich, I would bet on 3:27 or 12:45 at the Norwegian championships.

And, yes, JI starts going little bit outside with the intention to pass his brother at around 625m. But that's totally unimportant, we are talking about a few hundreds + or - .

Coevett wrote:

Although come back in 3 or 4 years time and when Jakob has ran a 1:42 at Zurich, and I post that people were saying here that 1:46 would be his lifetime pb, the usual suspects will be denying it and calling me a compulsive liar.

You are a compulsive liar - not because of some predictions (regardless how stupid/laughable they are) you did and also not because some posters can't admit if they did wrong predictions (all serious posters do this), but because of you giving knowingly wrong infos about things from the past, again and again.

If you are upset that people point out that you are a compulsive liar the best solution for you is to stop lying.

But you can’t. Because it’s compulsory for you.

He is wrong and you are right, Coevett!

You are not a liar; you are visually impaired!!!!

You are the only one who doesn't see Jakob starting to move out 625 into the race.

but then again, you have never raced so you don't know what making a move to pass means.

And 1:42 for Jakob?

Sorry but no.

He will sooner run 26:42 than he will ever run 1:42

I don't want to say something about the future of Jakob. I was not surprised by his 1'46"44 : talking with Sondre Moen before the race, when he asked my opinion about the performance Jakob could do, I answered "1'46"5", so for me was normal (instead, I supposed Filip a little faster, maybe under 1'46").

What I want to say is that for running a fast 1500 athletes don't need to run under 1'45", sometimes (depending on the characteristics of the athlete) also 1'47" can be enough, not only for running fast, but also for winning competitions against runners with a better PB in 800m.

For example, I had an athlete, David Nyaga (who changed name after going to Qatar, becoming Daham Najim Bashir) who in 2005 ran 3'31"04 in 1500m in Doha at the beginning of the season, won thye Dream Mile in Oslo with 3'47"97, defeated in 2006 in Asian Games in a tactical race Rashid Ramzi with 3'38" finishing the last 500 meters in 65"2, and never was able running faster than 1'48"56.

It may be that Nyaga never put the same effort and focus into 800m running that he did for the longer events, as it wasn't his specialty. However I can't see any runner today being a real threat at championship level over the 1500 who can't beat 1.46 for the 800m. Too many of their competitors can.

It's funny that you know better than me the training and the characteristics of Nyaga, whose name probably you never heard before my post. I coached Nyaga on daily basis, he was with me from 1998, but you know everything.....

Do you know also everything about Bernard Lagat, who ran a lot of times 800m (his best time is 1'46"00 in 2003, his 10th best is 1'46"96 in 2004, his best 10 performances include 1'46"02 in 1998 and 1'46"84 in 2009, so he ran 800m during all his career, and when was in top shape for 1500m), or about Ronald Kwemoi, who when was in shape was practically unbeatable in the last furlong (see Monaco 2016, or Eugene 2017) and has a PB of 1'47"43 ?

For being fast at the end of a competition of 1500m the characteristics athletes need include, of course, their speed, but specially the relaxation and the level of their aerobic power.

Nah he couldnt break 1.45.I expected him to run around 1.46 which is exactly what he did.A lot of people think he has no leg speed,but that isnt true.I believe he'd run a 400 in 49 seconds,and 200 in 23 or less,so thats hardly slow.What i also believe is too much too soon,and itll prematurely end his career.

Coevett wrote:

I meant he was following Filip for most of the race. Filip did a Tim on him and slowed it down.

What? Filip never slowed the pace down! He started to die in the home straight. Jakob could have taken the lead at any point but his brother kindly was doing all the work and Jakob just hanging on. You know absolutely nothing about athletics.

Maybe you should get your spikes on if you think you can pace Jakob better.

Well I think I called that pretty early in this thread. 1:42 lol.

The race was optimally paced. 52.5, 54. Absolutely perfect splits and Filip did all the work. Jakob passed at 750m and did not "sprint away easily" he was edging past as Filip was dying. 1:46 is a barrier for Jakob to cross in his career. Maybe he runs 1:45 before he is done.

You know what I think about Jakob's personal bests? They are all in races where he followed someone else closely for 90% of the race. 800, 1500, mile, 2000 and 5000.

So it is difficult for me to hang medals around his neck based on that.

Running is simply not just about PBs, there are many other factors when it comes to competition and at the moment Jakob lacks in most of them.

ex-runner wrote:

You know what I think about Jakob's personal bests? They are all in races where he followed someone else closely for 90% of the race. 800, 1500, mile, 2000 and 5000.

Obviously you have not seen the 2000m. It is on youtube. Solo race last 90 seconds.

1500m in Lausanne does not match "followed someone closely". Much of the race he was running by himself in the back with empty space in front, and then picking up and passing other runners.

mile run in Stanford was a tactical one with high speed at the beginning leaving Jakob far behind, and picking up and passing competitors mid race as the field slowed down. "followed someone closely" does not match.

5K London, attack from 11:30 with the intention of running solo all the way in for what would have been a PB.

Semiler wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

You know what I think about Jakob's personal bests? They are all in races where he followed someone else closely for 90% of the race. 800, 1500, mile, 2000 and 5000.

Obviously you have not seen the 2000m. It is on youtube. Solo race last 90 seconds.

1500m in Lausanne does not match "followed someone closely". Much of the race he was running by himself in the back with empty space in front, and then picking up and passing other runners.

Indeed. And for the benefit of the visually impaired.

I told you it makes you go blind ex-runner.

And just to send you home even more devastated.