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No white boy they gone. Bye
Posts like this are exactly why white people feel they are discriminated against in the hiring process. And in most job openings, white people ARE discriminated against.
This generation is so soft. Everything offends you and you can't just brush it off and ignore it??? Quit taking everything so literally... Try and be tough and ignore people who talk crap.
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Posts like this are exactly why white people feel they are discriminated against in the hiring process. And in most job openings, white people ARE discriminated against.
So right, I hardly ever see any white guys coaching anymore.
Nice deflection of an obvious racist comment.
dum kopf wrote:
Nice deflection of an obvious racist comment.
I'm so sick of this bs.
If you u didn't get the job, it's because you are a crappy, white guy. If your logic was right, there'd be no white guys coaching, but that sure as hell isn't true.
There is critical importance to try to mirror the population of people in the sport. It doesn't mean a person of color has your job. It means that all the other white guys are better than you, or were there first. There's so a few market economy in there somewhere, find your place in it by being better at marketing or being a better person.
Our sport and all others have more white leaders than any BIPOC. It's sad that representation and conscious hiring is seen as bias. What's happening is that administrations, like America, have been conditioned to think white is right. The narrative is shifting and the one size does not fit all anymore.
Pogo wrote:
dum kopf wrote:
Nice deflection of an obvious racist comment.
I'm so sick of this bs.
If you u didn't get the job, it's because you are a crappy, white guy. If your logic was right, there'd be no white guys coaching, but that sure as hell isn't true.
There is critical importance to try to mirror the population of people in the sport. It doesn't mean a person of color has your job. It means that all the other white guys are better than you, or were there first. There's so a few market economy in there somewhere, find your place in it by being better at marketing or being a better person.
No, it is now a reality. There are jobs available now where they are looking for a woman or looking for a minority to fill the quota, not all jobs are this way but it is becoming more of a thing.
It is true and a fact. No one will openly say it is the case but it is happening.
Massillon wrote:
Our sport and all others have more white leaders than any BIPOC. It's sad that representation and conscious hiring is seen as bias. What's happening is that administrations, like America, have been conditioned to think white is right. The narrative is shifting and the one size does not fit all anymore.
That's BS. There are more white coaches because white people represent 90% of the applicants for the job.
There are ZERO administrators that only insist on hiring white people. EVERY administration, however, seeks out to hire as many minority coaches as they can because they are evaluated on the diversity of their staff.
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White men aren't being discriminated against. They're upset that people won't celebrate them getting a job the way a first female director of a program might be celebrated. They don't think it's fair that people are breaking in to the careers they've dominated for so long and with less experience, though their opportunities have been limited. It's a simple misunderstanding of the opportunity gap being eliminated. White men think the world is actively against them when the world wants to see other demographics being represented AS WELL. White men will never be the minority in coaching, it's time they stop acting like they're being wiped out.
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give me a break? wrote:
Pogo wrote:
I'm so sick of this bs.
If you u didn't get the job, it's because you are a crappy, white guy. If your logic was right, there'd be no white guys coaching, but that sure as hell isn't true.
There is critical importance to try to mirror the population of people in the sport. It doesn't mean a person of color has your job. It means that all the other white guys are better than you, or were there first. There's so a few market economy in there somewhere, find your place in it by being better at marketing or being a better person.
No, it is now a reality. There are jobs available now where they are looking for a woman or looking for a minority to fill the quota, not all jobs are this way but it is becoming more of a thing.
It is true and a fact. No one will openly say it is the case but it is happening.
I’ll openly say it. I hire minorities and women all the time over equally or close to as qualified white candidates. Because that’s what my admins want. And I certainly see the value in it. And it has been this way for at least a decade now. Maybe two. I don’t know where you’ve been. If all of you haven’t realized yet that 95% of the jobs in our profession have little to do with actually competing at a high level (because that’s what decision makers at our schools have decided), you should probably be selling houses or cars by now.
Jake Cohen
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Jake Cohen
Where did Jake go? Still coaching?
I’ve got a very good job. I’m sorry that you cannot grasp what the complaint is. Someone made an obvious racist comment. It’s not ok. Yes, there are more white people in this country and more white head coaches. I do not think every hire are bad hires. I will say that schools make their diversity hires in sports they don’t care about. I have a problem with that. Why aren’t there more black football head coaches? Real question. Why? I think there is bias there. I also think they overcompensate with bad white female hires in track because they just don’t care.
Any word on the front runners for Wisconsin?
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Any word on the front runners for Wisconsin?
Maverick Darling.
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I think everyone knows that in athletics, and specifically in xc/tf, there absolutely is often discrimination against white males. To deny this is to either be ignorant or a liar.
It is happening often, not for every hire, but for many hires, and for more all the time. So the real question is, do you support discrimination? Are you for equal opportunity and equal consideration for all humans, based on qualifications and fit, or are you for discrimination and identity hiring? Fairness, or "the white guy has had it good for too long and now needs to be punished!"
Sadly, not only is XC/TF used to get minority and gender hiring quotas because they are sports that aren't cared about much, they are also the primary target for AD's because 1 hire counts on the books as 6 Head Coaches. If a school has men's and women's xc, itf and otf, they get to count each head coach of each of those sports separately, even if it is the same person. So a single black female hire counts as 6 black head coaches and 6 women head coaches for the athletic department. It's basically a way to cheat the system and relieve the pressure to have to hire as many women and minorities for other sports in the department. So you guys that are all "yeah, down with the white guy!" and "it's about time minorities and women get all these jobs!" are actually cheering for a system that is both discriminating against white guys in XC/TF, and discriminating against women and minorities in the other sports on a campus.
And I will say that I have an extensive and highly successful NCAA I resume with many years of coaching experience. I applied for the Ohio job. My resume and experience is at least 10x stronger than the person they hired. I didn't get an interview. I applied for another job recently that I would be shocked if anyone at my level of experience applied for, much less 3-5 people at my level. No interview. I heard through the inside that they are almost finished with the hire. I don't know who or if they are a minority or female, but I will be shocked if that isn't the case. It will be known soon.
So with vastly superior experience, results, etc I cannot get an interview as a while male, while at Ohio for example they offered five women before they got one to take the job.
And I'm not saying I should be hired for any position. A hiring decision is a combination of qualifications and culture fit. I have no problem with a hiring decision to go with a slightly less qualified person because they fit better. I actually don't even have a problem with a decision to hire a minority or a woman simply because all things were pretty much equal. But no matter what anyone says, it isn't a fair system when I can't get an interview simply because I am a white male, even though I'm for more qualified.