Anyone ever had a "Sports Hernia" aka: "Sportsman's hernia", "Gilmore's groin", or &quot

Surf,

Unfortunately, you cannot lump us into one category. I did not have the RA tears -- which many folks here experienced. I had a conjoined tendon tear. Pre-surgery, I did have terrible abdominal pains for a short time after a failed rehab stint (as well as hip pain). But the ab pain subsided with rest and more therapy. My main issue now is left side adductor inflammation. But I do not have any pain, only flexibility concerns.

This injury is unique to each individual. We all have similar symptoms but different issues.

You want to find a way to avoid surgery... that is physical therapy. Unless you tighten up the whole pelvic compartment and abdominals, recovery it isn't going to happen I'm afraid.

Surf,

The one exercise that I started with in rehab pre-surgery was using a partially-deflated soccer ball. You lie on your back with your knees bent and squeeze the soccer ball between your knees. If you have trouble doing this exercise with very light pressure, it probably doesn't bode well for you. Much like you and others, I had trouble sleeping on my side for a while, but through time, that problem went away. I'm not sure if that exercise helped or not, but it was given to me as part of rehab. But it's not just about doing one exercise... it's a whole host of exercises to re-train all associated muscle groups.

Sam,

Only you can really answer that question. I'd recommend if you have the means to see Meyers in Philly or Brown in CA that you try to do that. Also this thread is long, but a great resource - use it/ read it.

I think sports hernia is an easy answer when a doctor can't figure out what else is wrong. If your doc felt a bulge it's possible you have an inguinal hernia. I think that's the corrective surgery he will perform. I had a surgeon that diagnosed me with a sports hernia and said we'll just treat it like an inguinal (with the added bonus of removing a nerve so I wouldn't feel the mesh). In the end he was probably right as I have an inguinal hernia, but the fact that he couldn't detect it didn't leave me with warm fuzzies. He also mentioned when he had an Olypic athlete come to him w/ a sports hernia he sent him to Meyers. He was willing to experiment on me though.

SAM.... just my 2 cents I would ask you surgeon to see if he is going to check your RA/Adductor tendons for any tears while hes in there...Most MRI's will not pick them up ...I had 2 MRI's that didnt plus 2 CT Scans.....the Dr Meyers MRI which has the latest technology will pick them up whcih they did for me...IF you just have the inguinal hernia you will be fine though

REM...you hit the nail on the head with all the joke posts...what a waste of space when you want to go back and look up someones progress/symptoms pre and post OP and you have to read all the long winded garbage from someone who thinks this is an editorial column or something...That act is growing so old but it just keeps on going ...trying to be nice dosent seem to be working

Surf-

I can do as many crunches and sit-ups with no inflammation. No problem there. The only thing that causes inflammation is a hard new activity.

Last thing that caused inflammation was cable pulls....only for about 4 hours....

also thanks for taking this thread into the toilet

Rem-

I concur. Much of it is my fault. I keep responding to him in hopes of getting him to a doc. For some reason I do not want to see anyone "unwind" so to speak. However, he has a specific agenda and ignores people. He also does not answer questions and when caught in lies (many) will not acknowledge.

Anyways, today was a great day for me. I did a 1 hour walk in sand at the beach and no pain or inflammation. On Wednesday I am going for my stretching evaluation.

I think it is best we just ignore him and he may go away. I am the dumbest one of the bunch for repeatedly engaging him.

I have never seen anyone quite like him.....denial.

Sam,

I just spoke last week with a man in his early 60's who had Dr. Barnes do his surgeries. He was very impressed. I don't have insurance now, and just saw a hernia specialist in Las Vegas named Dr. Peterson. He is going to do my surgery without mesh. Many people here would advise against a mesh repair due to the rejection factor of some mesh's.

I would like to consult with Dr. Barnes for another opinion, but I had Dr. UM look at me and she said it was a clear inguinal hernia and sports hernia on the other side which may or may not require surgery. She recommended no mesh on my repair. Both Dr. UM and Dr. Peterson reitierated that the repair depends on what they find during surgery.

I would try to get a second opinion from Meyers or Brown in Ca. if I were you.

Hope everything goes well. I am in Denver too and you can email me at

mike@atozhi.com

if you want to correspond or meet. I am an older basketball player who knows some of the DU players from past years.

Mike in Denver

Another MLB success story by Dr. Meyers. Aubrey Huff had this last year and is an everyday player and he is a big dude who hits for power....Lots of torque for a surgery that supposedly does not work....hmmmm....wow....each time i find out more and more athletes have it...

Aubrey Huff Recovering From Sports Hernia

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First of all: ouch!

The surgery was performed Thursday in Philadelphia and will sideline Aubrey Huff for four to six weeks. According to team prez Andy MacPhail he could start resuming some "baseball related" activities in four weeks, but most will take six. What about the things I like to call "non-baseball related" activities like taking a piss standing up, or having relations with a woman? Give me a pulled hammie any day

Last night I was at my teams playoff game and and couldnt resist seeing all those bats lined up on the fence so I decided to pick up a bat and take some light dry swings at about 50% before the game....10x each side ... lightly torqued my torso on each swing...a good place to start at almost 3 weeks post Op....At this point Im finding Standing on my feet too long...or more like standing on my feet in one place for to long is very bothersome...moving around things are better...anybody else post Op find this too???

Lost of Professional success stories from Meyers......Shockey, McNabb, Hamilton, Kinsler, Huff, Posednick, Garrciaparra, Theres a few other Football players coming off it like the TE for the Raiders and Curtis coming off a redue that will be good to keep an eye on......Im sure theres a lot more but Im not going to waste my time searching for them

Standing still was the worst. It is much better now but having been in pain so long I still move around alot and find it hard to just relax.

I just started torsion with the cables at the gym. It did not hurt at all but it has been my greatest fear. There is a definite connection with stretching the adductors. If I really stretch them first thing in the morning...the Rectus soreness goes away asap...

hi guys, I am almost 4 weeks out of surgery.

while im trying to get my PT going - i find it difficult to do much more than 2-3 days / week. Every day, however, i do something.

Today, i was able to get out and run 4 miles at around a 7:05 pace. Preinjury, I would run an easy 4 miler around 6:45 without effort, so I am not back yet, by any means. Also the tightness is there when i run, and things feel imbalanced and awkward...sometimes right side hurts (groin, lwr back), and sometimes left side hurts. I do get manual therapy/ART or DEEP (almost bruising/painful deep) tissue work 2-4x's per week, and it seems to address those tight spots.

Just FYI, the PT's i see checked my PSOAS and its tightness indicates that it could be a major contributor to my difficulties running. Could have been injured as a result of the torn abs, etc.

Also, I found this interesting running gait expert who uses cool muscle sensing gadgets to sense and analyse your running gait -- to determine weak spots and then she gives a plan on how to fix it....She's a big research PT at U Delaware; I will check her out and if she's not a hoax :).

Just thought I would share.

Kent

Kent,

I have the same issues with my psoas and hamstrings... I can't seem to get them to synergize. That's why I've decided not to run until I can get past it. I've been going for ART also, graston etc. I have really weak glutes and hamstrings which is making it difficult to correct. My hamstring is the biggest problem right now, but I have a lot of tightness in the hip flexor/psoas region, especially if I try to jog. But the good news is that I don't have any pain.

Kent-

This is my guess. Your pain is bouncing because your compartment is strengthening in a new functional position. Our bodies are smart and adapt and that means dysfunction. However long you were injured the surrounding tissue took on new length and tension. So now back in place things need to be re-educated. My discomfort bounced too, but you are early on in the recovery. I realize if i do not stretch the adductors it is a uncomfy day.

Also in regards to the psoas i think that is universal. Think about it this way. When you tear your RA your body wants to go to Anterior Tilted Pelvis and the RA is not there as a guywire to keep you neutral. So in response the psoas tries to come to the rescue to keep your pelvis neutral..,...but it can't....so it gets short and tight. So now that it does not have to work as hard it needs to find its normal length.

Common to us all. I think you are doing great

Den and Albert,

What you say makes sense. Hopefully we'll adjust our psoases w/o reinjury.

Do any of you guys get these random pinching pains in the scrotum from time to time? I still get them - drives me crazy.

kent

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Den and Albert,

What you say makes sense. Hopefully we'll adjust our psoases w/o reinjury.

Do any of you guys get these random pinching pains in the scrotum from time to time? I still get them - drives me crazy.

Kent,

I really wasn't having that problem until the last few days, but it's almost like a sensation and not pain for me. I'm a little over 10 weeks out of surgery. I have started to work a little harder on the abs/core and did some swimming yesterday. Hopefully, it is just adjusting as Albert mentioned.

I know for me since I started jogging I get some right shin pain/tightness and left calf pain/tightness.....funny cause the shin stuff is what I used to get about 12 years ago after playing a lot of ball ...and that particular year it was very dry and the fields were a lot harder then normal which can make you more prone to shin/calf pain especially if your gait is a little off or your foot strike isnt perfect...what I did back then is mess around between a mild soft arch support or another athletic insert which keep your foot from fooling in or out too much...they both worked wonders on the shin pain

jsut something to think about if somewhere down the road you have little nagging stuff it might be as simple as a little help to the foot

KENT....If your only rehabbing 2-3x a week be careful not to do more then your bodys ready for...gradual increases are a big thing for any rehab...and like Meyers says dont do too much of one thing...mix it up.....sounds like your getting there

Today I ran the bases each way 4x and then ran from the infield to the outfield fence to fence a few times with minimal pain...ist day the extra swelling I have in the right pubic bone area wasnt as bothersome..left incision is puffy in an area and spurted out some dark blood whcih I believe was jsut a pocket of old blood sitting there do to the very dark color...def wasnt fresh red blood..will keep an eye on though

Den-

I am 12.5 weeks and I now get sore further up the RA due to all the new activity i am doing on it...

Cable pulls

Elliptical Sprints

Crunches

Planks

Leg Swings

Push Ups

Barbell Curls

Bird Dogs

Increased Band Excercises with intensity

**I am going tomorrow to get a Active Isolated Stretching assessment in NYC. I feel since I have so many lower body injuries that I am definitely favoring things.

Right Side - AP surgery

Plantar Fasciatis

Left Side - MCL tear (finally healing)

Calf tear - finally healing

Now low back has also spasmed twice....did not last but scared me...

** I believe I am restricted from the feet, calves and quads....This was recommended by a friend who says this is what finally did it for him.

I am getting strong as hell...and am generally pleased but with 4 injuries to rehab i get overwhelmed and do not realize if i am favoring something. i was walking 7 miles per day with this dysfunction and when i was half way i would be limping terribly...but i soldiered on....In hindsight not too smart but healing nonetheless.

http://www.whartonperformance.com/index.html

I am more flexible than ever but for some reason certain muscles are still seizing up on me. I am very interested in this.

Here is who they are:

I have spoken to them on the phone and seem impressed.

http://www.whartonperformance.com/page2/page2.html#SlideFrame_2

Here is something interesting I found on the different kinds of stretching:

About The Mattes Method:AIS

This method of muscle lengthening and fascial release provides effective dynamic facilitated stretch of major muscle groups, but more importantly functional and physiological restoration of superficial and deep fascial planes.

Over the past decades many experts have advocated prolonged stretch up to 60 seconds. For years, this prolonged static stretch technique was the gold standard. Prolonged static stretching actually decreases the blood flow within the tissue creating localized ischemia and lactic acid buildup. This potentiates irritation or injury of local muscular, tendonous, lymphatic as well as neural tissues, similar to the effects and consequences of trauma and overuse syndromes.

AIS: The Mattes Method, is an effective treatment for deep and superficial fascial release, restoring proper fascial planes for optimal physiologic function. Performing an Active Isolated Stretch of no greater than 2.0 seconds allows the target muscle to optimally lengthen without triggering the protective stretch reflex and subsequent reciprocal antagonistic muscle contraction as the isolated muscle achieves a state of relaxation. Maximal beneficial stretch can be accomplished without opposing tension or resulting trauma.

Mattes Method myofascial release technique incorporates AIS which uses active movement and reciprocal inhibition to achieve optimal flexibility. Using a 2.0-second stretch has proven to be the key in avoiding reflexive contraction of the antagonistic muscle. Without activating muscle group contraction, restoration of full range of motion and flexibility can be successfully achieved.

Active Isolated Stretching: The Mattes Method centers on physiological principles of specific muscle lengthening, increased circulation and oxygen to the tissues, lengthening of the superficial and deep fascia. The seminar involves exact details of how to safely lengthen muscles and fascia simultaneously maintaining a physiologically based agonist-antagonist relationship.