falling back on the 'well it's Constitutional' is so lame and weak.
it would be 100% constitutional for a president to declassify all US secrets tomorrow. It would be totally constitutional for a president to order Paris nuked because he doesn't like French New Wave cinema. It would be totally Constitutional for the president to force the nation to give a security clearance to his son-in-law even though the professionals refused it. (trump actually did that). It would be totally Constitutional for the President to refuse to work on Mondays because he likes three day weekends.
I mean grow up and think about things from a higher level than 'well the rules allow it.' think about right and wrong and what is good for the country. McConnell refusing to hold hearings or a vote for Garland was within the rules but just plain unAmerican and bad for the nation. And then he double downed on it by rushing Kav.
Yeah, nuking a country is the same as a senate not confirming a Supreme Court nominee. 1 in 5 do NOT get confirmed and one of the reasons they don’t get confirmed is the senate does not like the sitting president.
It’s a fair gripe to say they didn’t have a hearing, but it doesn’t change the fact that things were handled within the bounds of the constitution.
I remember in 2013 when the democratic senate used the nuclear option to get past the filibuster and be able to get judges appointed and fill seats on the DC circuit. Many people felt that to be shady and unAmerican. It eventually came back around to benefit the republicans, however.
This situation will be similar, it might take time but democrats will get the chance to turn away a Republican nominee using McConnell’s logic.
I find it to be quite American that conservative senators represented the constituency of their states well by not confirming Obama’s nominee. Elections have consequences, remember?
As far as all your hypotheticals, politicians can choose to do any number of things that are constitutional but may not be liked. The politician has to decide if it’s worth risking losing reelection to do so, however. Trump did a lot of things that people frowned on, yet were technically ok and look where it got him.
ok I'm out
we are living on different planets here. You are for a scorched earth policy in DC and make up nonsense about how mcconnell was working inside some kind of precedent. he wasn't. He created a precedent. At least you do accept he broke new ground by not holding a vote. Good on you for that.
As for the filibuster....it's just a rule the senate made up one year. it's not in the constitution, it wasn't practiced for generations, it's just a way one senate decided to do things. We don't need to use it - it's fundamentlly undemocratic after all. We might have the only legislature that can't pass bills with a majority vote.
Anyway, I know you are trying here, but I think we're done.
Whatever happened with that Jan. 6 Committee? I thought Trump was a goner with that. How come we are not talking about any longer? Did that just fizzle out like just about everything against Trump? Wasn't Stormy Daniels going to bring him down. So too Michael Cohen. So too (fill in another 150 names here).
it's true - 'conservatives' don't mind it when other 'conservatives' violently attack congress, try to stuff the DOJ with unqualified flunkies, incite mobs, work with Russian spies to pervert elections, extort Ukraine, are unindicted conspirators to felonies, etc.
You put your finger on the problem with this country, Sally. Good work.
Mueller said no conspiracy so please don't keep parroting that lie.
it's true - 'conservatives' don't mind it when other 'conservatives' violently attack congress, try to stuff the DOJ with unqualified flunkies, incite mobs, work with Russian spies to pervert elections, extort Ukraine, are unindicted conspirators to felonies, etc.
You put your finger on the problem with this country, Sally. Good work.
Mueller said no conspiracy so please don't keep parroting that lie.
read it and weep, Sally.
You couldn't imagine much more collusion than this. It's like a movie.
THE HEAD OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN handed over secret campaign data to people he knew were Russian spies. He is openly admitting this. Trump has made you look like a fool for 6 years - maybe it's time to stop letting him walk you around by your nose.
Ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort admits sharing info with Russians - Mr Manafort has previously denied sharing polling data with suspected Russian spy Konstantin Kilimnik
Yeah, nuking a country is the same as a senate not confirming a Supreme Court nominee. 1 in 5 do NOT get confirmed and one of the reasons they don’t get confirmed is the senate does not like the sitting president.
It’s a fair gripe to say they didn’t have a hearing, but it doesn’t change the fact that things were handled within the bounds of the constitution.
I remember in 2013 when the democratic senate used the nuclear option to get past the filibuster and be able to get judges appointed and fill seats on the DC circuit. Many people felt that to be shady and unAmerican. It eventually came back around to benefit the republicans, however.
This situation will be similar, it might take time but democrats will get the chance to turn away a Republican nominee using McConnell’s logic.
I find it to be quite American that conservative senators represented the constituency of their states well by not confirming Obama’s nominee. Elections have consequences, remember?
As far as all your hypotheticals, politicians can choose to do any number of things that are constitutional but may not be liked. The politician has to decide if it’s worth risking losing reelection to do so, however. Trump did a lot of things that people frowned on, yet were technically ok and look where it got him.
ok I'm out
we are living on different planets here. You are for a scorched earth policy in DC and make up nonsense about how mcconnell was working inside some kind of precedent. he wasn't. He created a precedent. At least you do accept he broke new ground by not holding a vote. Good on you for that.
As for the filibuster....it's just a rule the senate made up one year. it's not in the constitution, it wasn't practiced for generations, it's just a way one senate decided to do things. We don't need to use it - it's fundamentlly undemocratic after all. We might have the only legislature that can't pass bills with a majority vote.
Anyway, I know you are trying here, but I think we're done.
I agree. You say I’m for scorched earth policy yet you simply shrug off the dems going to the “nuclear option” to override the filibuster. Wonder why it’s called the “nuclear option”? Maybe because it has devastating effects on how the senate operates? Hmmmm….and the filibuster has been around since the early 1800s, yet it’s not “been practiced for generations”? Democrats enjoy the filibuster when it benefits them, same for republicans.
Youre partisan and that’s fine, call McConnell hypocritical all you want, but at least recognize you’re being a bit hypocritical in your views of scorched earth policy yet not minding the dems overriding the filibuster just because it suited their needs at the time.
In the end the dems going nuclear bit them in the rear end as the Republican senate was able to get SCOTUS justices appointed using the precedent the dems set. Dems will be able to one day capitalize on the new decedent McConnell has set. Politics are a pendulum after all.
Mueller said no conspiracy so please don't keep parroting that lie.
read it and weep, Sally.
You couldn't imagine much more collusion than this. It's like a movie.
THE HEAD OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN handed over secret campaign data to people he knew were Russian spies. He is openly admitting this. Trump has made you look like a fool for 6 years - maybe it's time to stop letting him walk you around by your nose.
You couldn't imagine much more collusion than this. It's like a movie.
THE HEAD OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN handed over secret campaign data to people he knew were Russian spies. He is openly admitting this. Trump has made you look like a fool for 6 years - maybe it's time to stop letting him walk you around by your nose.
The Indepdent refers to itself as "proudly liberal (radical liberal)."
No thanks on the Independent.
I looked at about 20 articles written by Andrew Feinberg. All wwwaaayyyy to the left.
ok, here's a right wing media outlet, business insider, with the same story. Sally, there was collusion.
(of course I have no hope that you will remember any of what we are talking about even tomorrow)
"Manafort acknowledged he was aware that he shared confidential polling data from the Trump campaign with Konstantin Kilimnik, a business associate with suspected ties to Russian intelligence. In 2021, the Treasury Department found that Kilimnik then shared data deemed as "sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" with Russian spies. The Department then sanctioned Kilimnik for this transaction."
Paul Manafort denied in an exclusive interview with Insider that he shared the Trump campaign's data with a Russian operative was to help the then-candidate win the 2016 presidential election.
I looked at about 20 articles written by Andrew Feinberg. All wwwaaayyyy to the left.
ok, here's a right wing media outlet, business insider, with the same story. Sally, there was collusion.
(of course I have no hope that you will remember any of what we are talking about even tomorrow)
"Manafort acknowledged he was aware that he shared confidential polling data from the Trump campaign with Konstantin Kilimnik, a business associate with suspected ties to Russian intelligence. In 2021, the Treasury Department found that Kilimnik then shared data deemed as "sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" with Russian spies. The Department then sanctioned Kilimnik for this transaction."
The Mueller Report did not find any evidence of collusion, but did find two main efforts by the Russians to interfere in the 2016 presidential campaign.
ok, here's a right wing media outlet, business insider, with the same story. Sally, there was collusion.
(of course I have no hope that you will remember any of what we are talking about even tomorrow)
"Manafort acknowledged he was aware that he shared confidential polling data from the Trump campaign with Konstantin Kilimnik, a business associate with suspected ties to Russian intelligence. In 2021, the Treasury Department found that Kilimnik then shared data deemed as "sensitive information on polling and campaign strategy" with Russian spies. The Department then sanctioned Kilimnik for this transaction."
sally literally the head of the trump campaign is telling you that he colluded with Russian spies during the 2016 campaign. No exaggeration.
The head of the campaign, openly saying this to reporters. You don't have to cover for your boy trump anymore - his story is blown. it's done. it's out there. He doesn't need you to cover for him anymore. he's a big boy. You can make up your own mind now.
Dude. Go to a mirror and look into it and ask yourself some hard questions.
sally literally the head of the trump campaign is telling you that he colluded with Russian spies during the 2016 campaign. No exaggeration.
The head of the campaign, openly saying this to reporters. You don't have to cover for your boy trump anymore - his story is blown. it's done. it's out there. He doesn't need you to cover for him anymore. he's a big boy. You can make up your own mind now.
Dude. Go to a mirror and look into it and ask yourself some hard questions.
I can't stand Trump. I hope he disappears. But you Libs are obsessed with the guy. Deranged. You are terrified he will win in 2024.
meanwhile, Fox is literally broadcasting to the rubes photoshops - putting the head of the judge who approved the raid on Mar a crapo onto the body of Epstein. And blasting that image out to millions of Americans.
CBS News @CBSNews BREAKING: A New York State judge has ruled a criminal fraud and tax evasion prosecution against the Trump Organization and its former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, can proceed.
sally literally the head of the trump campaign is telling you that he colluded with Russian spies during the 2016 campaign. No exaggeration.
The head of the campaign, openly saying this to reporters. You don't have to cover for your boy trump anymore - his story is blown. it's done. it's out there. He doesn't need you to cover for him anymore. he's a big boy. You can make up your own mind now.
Dude. Go to a mirror and look into it and ask yourself some hard questions.
I can't stand Trump. I hope he disappears. But you Libs are obsessed with the guy. Deranged. You are terrified he will win in 2024.
1) BS. You clearly love Trump. You defend him at every turn. You don't pump up any other GOP candidate. You don't suggest that the GOP moves on from him. You just defend everything he does and support him to the ends of the earth.
2) No one is terrified that Trump will win in 2024. Polls ALREADY suggest he's a very soft candidate for the GOP. He will get destroyed if he's the GOP nominee. DeSantis has a MUCH better chance to win in 2024 than Trump does. The Murdoch disinformation machine has already moved away from Trump and on to DeSantis.
3) We are on Trump like white on rice because he's a criminal. He's a serious danger to our Democratic Republic as are moron Trumpers like you. And Sally, you ARE a moron. Stupid is as stupid does, so you could stop being one if you stop behaving as one. There is NOTHING equivalent that any President has ever done compared to what Trump did with NUCLEAR WEAPON SECRETS. There is nothing equivalent to what Trump has done regarding trying to overthrow a fair election. There has never been such a window-licking demographic of supporters for any candidate for any office in the US ever.
4) Again, you should be asking questions here, as you clearly know nothing. I have never known anyone who is as generally ignorant as you are.
You can say he’s a hypocrite, that’s fine as most politicians are. My issue is when people say garlands spot was “stolen”. It wasn’t. Obama did what he was constitutionally allowed to do which is nominate someone. The senate did what was in their constitutional power which was to consider the nominee. They considered him and said “No”.
This isn’t unprecedented. Supreme Court nominees have been declined by the senate many times before. You had a 2 term democratic president on his way out the door up against a Republican led senate.
Could McConnell had avoided sounding like a hypocrite if he hadn’t used the timing rationale? Probably, but dems would be mad no matter what logic he used.
At the end of the day Obama’s famous quote of “Elections have consequences” rang true. Republicans took the senate and then the presidency. The consequences of those elections was a swing in the makeup of the Supreme Court.
Some of this falls on the DNC as well. Nominate anyone but Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Trump probably doesn’t win. Dems get to pick another nominee for the SCOTUS. Alas, Hillary was their choice and the rest is history.
falling back on the 'well it's Constitutional' is so lame and weak.
it would be 100% constitutional for a president to declassify all US secrets tomorrow. It would be totally constitutional for a president to order Paris nuked because he doesn't like French New Wave cinema. It would be totally Constitutional for the president to force the nation to give a security clearance to his son-in-law even though the professionals refused it. (trump actually did that). It would be totally Constitutional for the President to refuse to work on Mondays because he likes three day weekends.
I mean grow up and think about things from a higher level than 'well the rules allow it.' think about right and wrong and what is good for the country. McConnell refusing to hold hearings or a vote for Garland was within the rules but just plain unAmerican and bad for the nation. And then he double downed on it by rushing Kav.
Yeah, falling back on the rule of law is so lame right? Heaven forbid we do that.
is it right for the dems to smear nominees with rape allegations? No, but it happens. Don’t try and speak from some sort of high ground.
the republican senators, chosen by their constituents, decided they didn’t think garland was a good choice.
clearly they were right seeing as how he is an anti-parent l, anti-rule of law nutcase.
falling back on the 'well it's Constitutional' is so lame and weak.
it would be 100% constitutional for a president to declassify all US secrets tomorrow. It would be totally constitutional for a president to order Paris nuked because he doesn't like French New Wave cinema. It would be totally Constitutional for the president to force the nation to give a security clearance to his son-in-law even though the professionals refused it. (trump actually did that). It would be totally Constitutional for the President to refuse to work on Mondays because he likes three day weekends.
I mean grow up and think about things from a higher level than 'well the rules allow it.' think about right and wrong and what is good for the country. McConnell refusing to hold hearings or a vote for Garland was within the rules but just plain unAmerican and bad for the nation. And then he double downed on it by rushing Kav.
Yeah, falling back on the rule of law is so lame right? Heaven forbid we do that.
is it right for the dems to smear nominees with rape allegations? No, but it happens. Don’t try and speak from some sort of high ground.
the republican senators, chosen by their constituents, decided they didn’t think garland was a good choice.
clearly they were right seeing as how he is an anti-parent l, anti-rule of law nutcase.
You have to be Sally commenting under another name. If not, CONGRATULATIONS for posting something as stupid as Sally would!
I can't stand Trump. I hope he disappears. But you Libs are obsessed with the guy. Deranged. You are terrified he will win in 2024.
1) BS. You clearly love Trump. You defend him at every turn. You don't pump up any other GOP candidate. You don't suggest that the GOP moves on from him. You just defend everything he does and support him to the ends of the earth.
2) No one is terrified that Trump will win in 2024. Polls ALREADY suggest he's a very soft candidate for the GOP. He will get destroyed if he's the GOP nominee. DeSantis has a MUCH better chance to win in 2024 than Trump does. The Murdoch disinformation machine has already moved away from Trump and on to DeSantis.
3) We are on Trump like white on rice because he's a criminal. He's a serious danger to our Democratic Republic as are moron Trumpers like you. And Sally, you ARE a moron. Stupid is as stupid does, so you could stop being one if you stop behaving as one. There is NOTHING equivalent that any President has ever done compared to what Trump did with NUCLEAR WEAPON SECRETS. There is nothing equivalent to what Trump has done regarding trying to overthrow a fair election. There has never been such a window-licking demographic of supporters for any candidate for any office in the US ever.
4) Again, you should be asking questions here, as you clearly know nothing. I have never known anyone who is as generally ignorant as you are.
I have never once defended Trump. Show me where I have ever defended Trump. NEVER. I rip you Libs for being deranged with everything Trump. You guys are nutso over every Trump family member. You wrote "Mueller is coming The clown is done" like 10,000 times. YOU are deranged.
1) BS. You clearly love Trump. You defend him at every turn. You don't pump up any other GOP candidate. You don't suggest that the GOP moves on from him. You just defend everything he does and support him to the ends of the earth.
2) No one is terrified that Trump will win in 2024. Polls ALREADY suggest he's a very soft candidate for the GOP. He will get destroyed if he's the GOP nominee. DeSantis has a MUCH better chance to win in 2024 than Trump does. The Murdoch disinformation machine has already moved away from Trump and on to DeSantis.
3) We are on Trump like white on rice because he's a criminal. He's a serious danger to our Democratic Republic as are moron Trumpers like you. And Sally, you ARE a moron. Stupid is as stupid does, so you could stop being one if you stop behaving as one. There is NOTHING equivalent that any President has ever done compared to what Trump did with NUCLEAR WEAPON SECRETS. There is nothing equivalent to what Trump has done regarding trying to overthrow a fair election. There has never been such a window-licking demographic of supporters for any candidate for any office in the US ever.
4) Again, you should be asking questions here, as you clearly know nothing. I have never known anyone who is as generally ignorant as you are.
I have never once defended Trump. Show me where I have ever defended Trump. NEVER. I rip you Libs for being deranged with everything Trump. You guys are nutso over every Trump family member. You wrote "Mueller is coming The clown is done" like 10,000 times. YOU are deranged.
You defend him all the time.
Mueller is STILL coming (apparently you are not paying attention), and the clown is STILL done.
