moanswers wrote:
It doesn't matter if he has someone running with him every step of the way until he finished. He won't be a considered a cheater unless there is proof that he lied about is 5:30-6:00 60 mile days.
This needs to be the focus. Nothing else will make the fanboys go away.
He is going to walk the rest of the way, it doesn't prove he covered 70+ miles/day until the halfway mark. You're telling me ran 80 miles in 100+ degree heat in the desert unassisted, in between 70+ mile days?
Smell the roses wrote:
Thing is, he's doing it legit now. He's walking at 3 mph. We need the OTHER data.
Though goodness knows what he'll get up to if Laz and co have to leave in a few days.
There are three problems:
1) is there any old data and can we get it?
2) can these old ultra clowns really keep Rob from cheating?
3) what happens when they leave?
rojo wrote:
1 2 3 green wrote:http://www.marathonmanuk.com/go to the blog post of day 20-21 (June 1-3, posted June 5), and you will find Rob's black nighttime outfit. A few days before Asher's encounter.
Looks reflective enough to have been seen by the security cam.
Here is the post in question.
He does dress in black and is carrying some sort of light in this photo here:
http://www.marathonmanuk.co.uk/2016/06/05/day-20-21-june-0103-a-rabbit-in-the-road/
No Rojo, Nancy the Rabbit is holding the flashlight, Rob's holding a dildo, what for I don't know, but maybe to insert it somewhere where the sun don't shine for having the temerity to catch him out travelling in the RV at 7mph.
TroLLminator wrote:
moanswers wrote:It doesn't matter if he has someone running with him every step of the way until he finished. He won't be a considered a cheater unless there is proof that he lied about is 5:30-6:00 60 mile days.
This needs to be the focus. Nothing else will make the fanboys go away.
He is going to walk the rest of the way, it doesn't prove he covered 70+ miles/day until the halfway mark. You're telling me ran 80 miles in 100+ degree heat in the desert unassisted, in between 70+ mile days?
It's proof good enough for Guinness and Rob's fanbois.
TroLLminator wrote:
Anderson cooper CNN wrote:Somebody said the light in the walker's hand is a cell phone. If somebody can blow this video up that detail would contradict the story of running by with a flashlight. it looks like a cell phone.
Will you cut the bull? They saw the video before releasing that ridiculous comment, they have to make up something fantastic to make it fit. It may be a cell phone, but do you really think some stranger was going to hand Rob his phone and let him walk away with it?
New update from Rob's crew. Here is what happened:
RY: Hey buddy, can I borrow your phone?
S: Are you Robert Young, the legendary Jesus-like endurance King who went from coach to running 3 marathons in 2 days?
RY: Well, I don't like to brag, but yes, guilty as charge.
S: Here, take my phone. And, I see you are wearing shorts. Please, please, take my pants as well!
Proceeds to saunter down the street, past Mr. G's carwash with a new cell phone and a new pair of pants.
You are going about it wrong. Either they post the data immediately or you need to offer a reward for him replicating the early, unbelievable feats. How much money is it worth for you to live feed him running unsupported across that desert section? I bet you could make it up in ppv sales.
113 wrote:
roadkill wrote:There's no time data in those kml files. They are nothing but a set of lat/long coordinates.
That sucks. So if I understand you correctly, we have no way to access the time and location of the tracker that was posted on their website until two days ago? Has anyone asked them why they took that info down (not that they would answer)?
Way way back on Friday (around page 46) there was a conversation between me and noobrunner where noob claimed to have downloaded a copy of the KML file. On the tracker website, if you look at the network stats, you'll see it requests two XML files. One is the planned route (called robxamerica.xml, without timestamps) and the other WAS the timestamped data, called team1.kml. That file disappeared on Friday afternoon when this thread blew up. Pretty much no doubt in my mind they pulled it because it contains all the unbelievable pacing across the west. It appears that ONLY the robxamerica.xml file was saved to that Google Doc, in which case, we lost one of our best pieces of evidence. It included GPS points every 12 minutes of their journey across the west (up to somewhere around Jefferson City, when it disappeared from the web). Not only could we have calculated the 12-minute pace for every segment since the start (with the caveat that sometimes the tracker was in the RV), it would have given the live-cam investigators the exact information they need for their archive search and FOIA requests.
Anyway, I'm hoping that noob or SOMEBODY DOES have team1.kml from Friday but I haven't been able to look into it over the weekend. That file is the smoking gun from the 12-minute time checkins from whatever device they are using (the same device they claim is SOMETIMES on Rob and SOMETIMES in the van.
Catching up after this weekend it seems to me that this guy is not going to last as long as someone is watching him. If he really was running most of it before, then maybe he could do it by walking it in, but if, as I suspect, he really wasn't even running the majority of it before, he's going to continue to degrade and get injured or sick before he makes it because of the sudden increase in the stress his body is taking on. I imagine that's his crew's best hope... that along with hoping that they can doctor the tomtom files retroactively and continuing to blow smoke for their supporters, who don't seem willing to look critically at this scam.
So, to LRCers and to noobrunner,
WHO HAS THE TEAM1.KML FILE?
we need lrc boots on ground wrote:
Smell the roses wrote:Thing is, he's doing it legit now. He's walking at 3 mph. We need the OTHER data.
Though goodness knows what he'll get up to if Laz and co have to leave in a few days.
There are three problems:
1) is there any old data and can we get it?
2) can these old ultra clowns really keep Rob from cheating?
3) what happens when they leave?
1) there is and no
2) no, even if they are monitoring him 24/7 they will leave at some point. I bet every time these ultra guys go off course to grab some food the RV.. I mean Rob speeds up to 20 mph.
3) Rob goes back to packing on weight and RV starts covering 70+ miles/day again
THEY WILL BREAK THE RECORD
moanswers wrote:
It doesn't matter if he has someone running with him every step of the way until he finished. He won't be a considered a cheater unless there is proof that he lied about is 5:30-6:00 60 mile days.
This needs to be the focus. Nothing else will make the fanboys go away.
If he was cheating before it's because he knows that he can't manage 56 miles a day. If he is suddenly being forced to run 56 miles a day, how long before that falls apart? While he says that it's easy and his body can do it without damage etc., suddenly the guy is getting blisters and is going significantly slower than in the past. It may well be that he's never legitimately run that sort of distance before. How long can he last doing that mileage?
I think you do need the data from the 5:30-6:00 60 mile days, but the whole thing may implode anyway just by actually making him do what he says he can do.
TroLLminator wrote:
moanswers wrote:It doesn't matter if he has someone running with him every step of the way until he finished. He won't be a considered a cheater unless there is proof that he lied about is 5:30-6:00 60 mile days.
This needs to be the focus. Nothing else will make the fanboys go away.
He is going to walk the rest of the way, it doesn't prove he covered 70+ miles/day until the halfway mark. You're telling me ran 80 miles in 100+ degree heat in the desert unassisted, in between 70+ mile days?
I believe all three of us are agreeing but saying it differently. He can walk it in. What happens next is unimportant. What needs to be debunked is the shenanigans from early on and/or "Where's Rob" on Asher Night.
And don't forget, Asher wasn't the first one. Gal in Bunny Suit (for real) couldn't find him either. Until he magically appeared from the blind side of the van and said he was running over there. Which is a crock, but if he does do his night running that way, then why did it go differently on Asher Night?
My calculations show that he has run about 71 miles since entering Illinois at 6:11 yesterday morning. that is 2.25 mph. that is a 26 minute pace per mile.
That is pretty damning drop off in speed.
+1He's got tens of thousands of FB followers who would pay for the live feed. No wonder you are poor Rojo, you need to think more like Rob!
lurker338 wrote:
You are going about it wrong. Either they post the data immediately or you need to offer a reward for him replicating the early, unbelievable feats. How much money is it worth for you to live feed him running unsupported across that desert section? I bet you could make it up in ppv sales.
good comedy wrote:
moanswers wrote:It doesn't matter if he has someone running with him every step of the way until he finished. He won't be a considered a cheater unless there is proof that he lied about is 5:30-6:00 60 mile days.
This needs to be the focus. Nothing else will make the fanboys go away.
If he was cheating before it's because he knows that he can't manage 56 miles a day. If he is suddenly being forced to run 56 miles a day, how long before that falls apart? While he says that it's easy and his body can do it without damage etc., suddenly the guy is getting blisters and is going significantly slower than in the past. It may well be that he's never legitimately run that sort of distance before. How long can he last doing that mileage?
I think you do need the data from the 5:30-6:00 60 mile days, but the whole thing may implode anyway just by actually making him do what he says he can do.
Just think about how crazy his fans will go when he arrives at Time Square in record time despite all the haters and adversity! His new book will fly off the shelves.
I am ashamed to say... I think you have to get into the mind of the cheat. You know... All for the children.
I think rojo needs to think through the offer for replicating a performance a little better than he did for Mr. Rossi. No low hanging fruit.
Oh really? wrote:
elephino wrote:"Brooks also wrote that the crew had been in contact with the car wash to review a lengthier portion of the footage. He said they found Young running by nine minutes after the RV"
How come we or Asher couldn't find him running then?, all we saw was someone strolling through town with a cell phone and wearing street clothes. Hope Brooks posts his running version of the video soon.
Dustin Brooks is Robert Young's chief media manipulator, treat anything (and I mean anything) that comes out of his mouth with skepticism.
Jehosephat wrote:
TroLLminator wrote:He is going to walk the rest of the way, it doesn't prove he covered 70+ miles/day until the halfway mark. You're telling me ran 80 miles in 100+ degree heat in the desert unassisted, in between 70+ mile days?
I believe all three of us are agreeing but saying it differently. He can walk it in. What happens next is unimportant. What needs to be debunked is the shenanigans from early on and/or "Where's Rob" on Asher Night.
And don't forget, Asher wasn't the first one. Gal in Bunny Suit (for real) couldn't find him either. Until he magically appeared from the blind side of the van and said he was running over there. Which is a crock, but if he does do his night running that way, then why did it go differently on Asher Night?
This whole thing is just crazy stupid. The guy is overweight for an endurance runner, he doesn't have tan lines, he doesn't sweat. That alone is sufficient to write this all off.
TroLLminator wrote:
good comedy wrote:If he was cheating before it's because he knows that he can't manage 56 miles a day. If he is suddenly being forced to run 56 miles a day, how long before that falls apart? While he says that it's easy and his body can do it without damage etc., suddenly the guy is getting blisters and is going significantly slower than in the past. It may well be that he's never legitimately run that sort of distance before. How long can he last doing that mileage?
I think you do need the data from the 5:30-6:00 60 mile days, but the whole thing may implode anyway just by actually making him do what he says he can do.
Just think about how crazy his fans will go when he arrives at Time Square in record time despite all the haters and adversity! His new book will fly off the shelves.
Like a reverse of James Frey and A Million Little Pieces, you mean?
I like how much flak Laz is getting from the Lets Run crowd- when it was he that went to the trouble of driving out there to observe and record.
Laz is very smart- smarter than most of you. After organizing and running Barkley, this will be a piece of cake for him.
Have a little faith. He's got it covered.
good comedy wrote:
moanswers wrote:It doesn't matter if he has someone running with him every step of the way until he finished. He won't be a considered a cheater unless there is proof that he lied about is 5:30-6:00 60 mile days.
This needs to be the focus. Nothing else will make the fanboys go away.
If he was cheating before it's because he knows that he can't manage 56 miles a day. If he is suddenly being forced to run 56 miles a day, how long before that falls apart? While he says that it's easy and his body can do it without damage etc., suddenly the guy is getting blisters and is going significantly slower than in the past. It may well be that he's never legitimately run that sort of distance before. How long can he last doing that mileage?
I think you do need the data from the 5:30-6:00 60 mile days, but the whole thing may implode anyway just by actually making him do what he says he can do.
He's stupid if he runs a single step. Walking is the only option now. 56 miles a day is too much for him. But if he can ride in the car for a while, and get the crew to walk for him it's doable.
However, we don't know the rules for this record. If he just gets to NYC in record time, they can tweak and manufacture data at home. Some say he doesn't even need to make a continuous run, but can drive some stretches as long as the total mileage is 2900??? or so.
With only these tech impaired ultra jokers following him Robert and his crew should be able to pull this off.
end of an era wrote:
So if I want to go trail him, how would I find him?
Find Team Geezer. They will point him out to you.