Official Israel vs Hamas thread

By your logic, is the justification for "getting rid" of the Palestinians then that the Arabs' (like they are all the same) greatest ambition is to get rid of the Jews?

They're not going to let Hamas targets live just because the brave freedom fighters are hiding behind civilians.

Hamas WANTS these people to die because it rallies naive people like you to their cause.

Not sure that (bolded) makes sense. "Sympathy and support" are at a max immediately following the horrific terror attacks. Slowing down to "build sympathy and support" would almost certainly have the opposite effect.

Does it occur to you that family and friends of these civilians that you consider collateral damage may all more easily get radicalized for vengeance against the "Jews" that killed them? You seem to have limited vision of how things have played out throughout history. Unless you are advocating for fully wiping out all Palestinians (straight up mass genocide), this acceptance of human collateral damage will forever keep coming back to haunt Israel.

See how that works? You are no better than a hateful Arab.

Nope - for example, the true extent of the massacre became apparent only days after. The first reports were like 250-300 deaths and all rest, footage and stories started to pour in while Israel called Palestinians animals and started to bomb and fully blockade. They did not reach max support and I think they remain mostly concerned with keeping the support of the right wing religious Jews. And I'll stick to my initial idea that this super aggressive military response that is mostly killing civilians will backfire badly on Israel. They should have limited their bombing to higher priority targets with more precision all while aiming their angry rhetoric at Hamas only and assuring Palestinians that it's their terrorist leaders they are after.

I do think Israel had a right to respond with the military force available to it, but it's going to be very hard to convince me that their approach of making Palestinians suffer deaths, hunger, displacement, etc. was much helpful in defeating Hamas. Even if you believe that Hamas militants or their equipment were in every single one of those bombed targets that caused civilian deaths, it doesn't seem the net result is going to move the needle in Israel's favor.

Let's play this out. Israel goes forward with some sort of ground operation, the Palestinians continue to suffer and everyday we will hear about Israeli aggression. They don't cooperate with Hamas so they begin to execute hostages. Israel retaliates with even more bombing and house to house combat that gets even more civilians killed. They eventually pull out because of the cost, operational burden, and lack of support back home and in the US. Displaced Gazans who lost friends, family, homes, and belongings come back to start their lives from zero. Everyone is poorer, angrier and hopeless. A generation of kids/teenagers are lost to these conditions and become vulnerable to joining Hamas (or whatever worse thing it becomes or replaces it) - sometimes this is forced. This new generation of jihadists continue to get financed, to spread hate, to intimidate Gazans into supporting them, to shoot rockets into Israel, and to plan their next big attack to try to outdo this one and avenge the massive losses they suffered. This starts all over again... did I miss something?

Oh and from I gather the standard Israeli approach is to move as quickly as possible with military force before the international community applies pressure for them to stop and they always do stop. So this tells me that a) Israel is not thinking about effectiveness of response but just avenging when possible, and b) they know that the international community will tilt against them but they don't bother to understand why. Could it be because killing a lot of civilians with vengeful acts may not work well?

The Palestinians voted Hamas into office and haven't had a leadership election since.

The Germans voted the Nazis into office in 1933 and didn't have another leadership election until 1949.

During a war it's very difficult to distinguish the "good ones" from the bad. History does repeat itself so it seems.

The over one million non-Jews (mostly Arabs) who are citizens of Israel have the same civil rights that Jews have.

They vote and are members of the Knesset - parliament.

Arabs have complete religious freedom and full access to the Israeli legal, health and educational systems – including Arabic and Muslim universities.

The only difference between the “rights” of Arabs and Jews is that Jewish young men must serve three years in the military and at least one month a year until age 50.

Question: Does anybody know how Jews are treated in Islamic Countries?

In hindsight it was a mistake by Israel when they funded and propped up Hamas at the expense of a secular option.

Arab-Israelis can serve voluntarily in the Israeli military. They just aren't drafted like other Israelis.

LOL, stop... after martial law was lifted in 1966 they have been dealing with structural discrimination and hostile policies. It is really dishonest to pretend they feel they belong.

That is a dumb question - Jews are discriminated against almost everywhere in the world. Now take into account that european Jews were given Palestinian land, without consent of Palestinians in what became a state surrounded by muslim arabs.. you know what happened after that. Come on man, you could do better.

And what about the orthodox Jews whom Bibi has been courting all these years to stay in power?

And who have the Israelis repeatedly elected?

Israel is an open, pluralistic, and egalitarian society. Different religions, cultures, and social traditions co-exist. Obviously!

About 20% of the population are non-Jews, most of them Arabs. Like all other Israeli citizens, they have full rights to vote and to hold elective office.

Question: How are Jews treated in Muslim countries?

Oh wow, Israel want more of our money. I’m shocked, absolutely shocked I tell ya.

timesofisrael.com

Israel has asked the US for $10 billion in emergency military aid — report

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Link:www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/i...

Sleepy Joe will give it to them and RINO’s will clap like performing seals. Listen to Tucker on this issue for clarity.

The WHO has reported 34 attacks on health care centres in the Gaza Strip, resulting in the death of 11 health-care workers on duty. (and that was 6 days ago)
And on Saturday, the Anglican Archbishop in Jerusalem, Dr Hosam Naoum, reported on social media that the Al-Ahli Arab hospital, located in Gaza City in the north of the area, had been hit by a missile, leaving four staff members injured and the ultrasound and mammography room damage”
The Anglican hospital was the oldest in Gaza, established in 1882 a sold 66 years before Israel existed.
The hospital is a partner of Embrace the Middle East. On Tuesday, Embrace’s chief executive, Tim Livesey, described news of the deaths as “utterly heartbreaking. Not only the immediate loss of innocent lives. But also the loss of a vital institution that provides health care for the people of Gaza regardless of background. A Christian Anglican hospital that has no connection whatever with Hamas, which Embrace has supported for decade
Of course Israel not only denied doing it but blamed it on their enemies. Classic them.

True dat.

In STARK contrast to the 50 Muslim-majority countries in the world, Arab women in Israel enjoy the same status as men. Israeli law grants women equal rights, including the right to vote and to be elected to public office.

Question: How are women treated in Muslim countries?