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Backward adjustment wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they’ve been fooled”
it’s apocryphal but true, case in point
Nothing you said proves to me that Biden, Harris, Whoopi, etc actually believe Trump is a “threat to democracy”. Their actions prove that they don’t believe it. Biden would have stepped aside long before he did if Trump is such a grave threat. The media personalities and democratic leadership wouldn’t have tried to cover for Biden for so long either. It’s all lip service.
Unfortunately, low information voters and the simpleminded hear their rhetoric and take it to heart.
The dems really did a lousy job of trying to stop Hitler v2.0…wonder why?
“Biden would have stepped aside long before”
Why? At what point? When before has a politician under so many criminal investigations been a credible candidate for office? And it’s been over fifty years since an eligible incumbent President voluntarily stepped out of the race.
Do you dispute any of what Trump did in the wake of the 2020 election? He pissed and moaned about voter fraud when there was none. His team arranged for fake electors. He called up state officials in Georgia and told them to just find the votes he needed. He implored Pence to reject enough Electoral Votes that would send the election to the House for him to win. And when Pence refused that, Trump was happy to fire up his supporters and have them ransack the Capitol to disrupt the certification as a last ditch resort. He does not want to be constrained by the law and wants the government to serve him, rather than the people of the United States.
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
If you think money and donations were the issue you are beyond help.
Harris raised over a billion dollars between announcing in July and the election.
A literal ham sandwich could have run for the Democrat party and raised more money than they needed.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Forbes: “The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.”
Take it up with CNN.
"Vice President Kamala Harris’ political team has raised $1 billion since entering the presidential race in late July, two sources familiar with the figure told CNN"
Whatever the truth is my point is still stronger than yours. Money is no object for the Democrats. They are the party of the elites and the ultrarich.
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WinstonSmith wrote:
What in the world? wrote:
Are you honestly so dumb that you do not realize the following (that is incredibly obvious to anyone with a brain)?
1) Prior to the election, Biden and Harris believed that Trump was a threat to democracy (Hitler talk, etc.)
2) After the election, Biden and Harris continue to believe that Trump is a threat to democracy (Hitler talk, etc.)
3) But now that Trump has won, Biden and Harris will do what they can to ensure a peaceful transition and talk in terms of uniting the American people because . . . wait for it . . it's the right thing to do.
Are you simply incapable of rational thoughts?
Are you honestly so dumb that you think the Democrats give a damn about democracy?
LOL!
Biden wanted to run in 2016. Obama and the DNC told him no. Bernie Sanders was the people's choice. Obama and the DNC told the people no.
Everyone knew Biden was mentally unfit this time around. Obama and the DNC decided to trot the corpse out there anyway and refused to have a primary because they liked running the country through his empty suit. They sued to keep RFK Jr. off the ballot. Then they sued to keep Trump off the ballot. When Biden sh*t the bed in the debate and the left found out he was brain dead the people wanted to have a primary and Obama and the DNC said no. They crowned Harris despite her being wildly unpopular and the worst candidate the Democrats have ever produced.
You're a useful idiot. But then you lost the election so your not even useful now are you?
You're just an idiot now.
You are a liar, a fool, and an idiot of epic proportions.
Good job!
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
Backward adjustment wrote:
Nothing you said proves to me that Biden, Harris, Whoopi, etc actually believe Trump is a “threat to democracy”. Their actions prove that they don’t believe it. Biden would have stepped aside long before he did if Trump is such a grave threat. The media personalities and democratic leadership wouldn’t have tried to cover for Biden for so long either. It’s all lip service.
Unfortunately, low information voters and the simpleminded hear their rhetoric and take it to heart.
The dems really did a lousy job of trying to stop Hitler v2.0…wonder why?
“Biden would have stepped aside long before”
Why? At what point? When before has a politician under so many criminal investigations been a credible candidate for office? And it’s been over fifty years since an eligible incumbent President voluntarily stepped out of the race.
Do you dispute any of what Trump did in the wake of the 2020 election? He pissed and moaned about voter fraud when there was none. His team arranged for fake electors. He called up state officials in Georgia and told them to just find the votes he needed. He implored Pence to reject enough Electoral Votes that would send the election to the House for him to win. And when Pence refused that, Trump was happy to fire up his supporters and have them ransack the Capitol to disrupt the certification as a last ditch resort. He does not want to be constrained by the law and wants the government to serve him, rather than the people of the United States.
Only fools think there was no fraud in 2020.
In PA they mailed ballots to the last known addresses of HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of ineligible voters.
The Democrat Supreme Court in PA ruled that it was illegal to reject any ballots for mismatching signatures.
The same court also ruled that it was illegal to reject ballots for not having postmarks.
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What in the world? wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Are you honestly so dumb that you think the Democrats give a damn about democracy?
LOL!
Biden wanted to run in 2016. Obama and the DNC told him no. Bernie Sanders was the people's choice. Obama and the DNC told the people no.
Everyone knew Biden was mentally unfit this time around. Obama and the DNC decided to trot the corpse out there anyway and refused to have a primary because they liked running the country through his empty suit. They sued to keep RFK Jr. off the ballot. Then they sued to keep Trump off the ballot. When Biden sh*t the bed in the debate and the left found out he was brain dead the people wanted to have a primary and Obama and the DNC said no. They crowned Harris despite her being wildly unpopular and the worst candidate the Democrats have ever produced.
You're a useful idiot. But then you lost the election so your not even useful now are you?
You're just an idiot now.
You are a liar, a fool, and an idiot of epic proportions.
Good job!
You can't refute a single thing I said.
Cope and seethe.
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Backward adjustment wrote:
What in the world? wrote:
Are you honestly so dumb that you do not realize the following (that is incredibly obvious to anyone with a brain)?
1) Prior to the election, Biden and Harris believed that Trump was a threat to democracy (Hitler talk, etc.)
2) After the election, Biden and Harris continue to believe that Trump is a threat to democracy (Hitler talk, etc.)
3) But now that Trump has won, Biden and Harris will do what they can to ensure a peaceful transition and talk in terms of uniting the American people because . . . wait for it . . it's the right thing to do.
Are you simply incapable of rational thoughts?
Three types of people call Trump a threat to democracy or Hitler:
1. Politicians 2. Pundits 3. Naive people.
Groups 1&2 say it but don’t really believe it. They say it to benefit themselves in ratings and votes. Group 3 actually believe it because they trust groups 1&2. There’s a lot of theatrics in politics, you just have to know how to spot it.
You are a fool.
Congrats.
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WinstonSmith wrote:
What in the world? wrote:
You are a liar, a fool, and an idiot of epic proportions.
Good job!
You can't refute a single thing I said.
Cope and seethe.
You are a liar, a fool, and an idiot of epic proportions.
You can't refute a single thing I said. But please try.
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
Backward adjustment wrote:
Nothing you said proves to me that Biden, Harris, Whoopi, etc actually believe Trump is a “threat to democracy”. Their actions prove that they don’t believe it. Biden would have stepped aside long before he did if Trump is such a grave threat. The media personalities and democratic leadership wouldn’t have tried to cover for Biden for so long either. It’s all lip service.
Unfortunately, low information voters and the simpleminded hear their rhetoric and take it to heart.
The dems really did a lousy job of trying to stop Hitler v2.0…wonder why?
“Biden would have stepped aside long before”
Why? At what point? When before has a politician under so many criminal investigations been a credible candidate for office? And it’s been over fifty years since an eligible incumbent President voluntarily stepped out of the race.
Do you dispute any of what Trump did in the wake of the 2020 election? He pissed and moaned about voter fraud when there was none. His team arranged for fake electors. He called up state officials in Georgia and told them to just find the votes he needed. He implored Pence to reject enough Electoral Votes that would send the election to the House for him to win. And when Pence refused that, Trump was happy to fire up his supporters and have them ransack the Capitol to disrupt the certification as a last ditch resort. He does not want to be constrained by the law and wants the government to serve him, rather than the people of the United States.
Why? Because there’s no universe where a dementia patient beats Donald Trump in a presidential election. The media and Kamala’s cover for Biden bit them in the butt. Biden’s poor choice of VP cost the dems in the long run. It really has been interesting to see 4 years of poor decision making come home to roost in such a historic election.
Again, no serious person thinks Trump is a threat to democracy. It’s become an overused slogan for partisan hacks on the left side of the aisle and for unoriginal talking heads on tv.
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WinstonSmith wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
“Biden would have stepped aside long before”
Why? At what point? When before has a politician under so many criminal investigations been a credible candidate for office? And it’s been over fifty years since an eligible incumbent President voluntarily stepped out of the race.
Do you dispute any of what Trump did in the wake of the 2020 election? He pissed and moaned about voter fraud when there was none. His team arranged for fake electors. He called up state officials in Georgia and told them to just find the votes he needed. He implored Pence to reject enough Electoral Votes that would send the election to the House for him to win. And when Pence refused that, Trump was happy to fire up his supporters and have them ransack the Capitol to disrupt the certification as a last ditch resort. He does not want to be constrained by the law and wants the government to serve him, rather than the people of the United States.
Only fools think there was no fraud in 2020.
In PA they mailed ballots to the last known addresses of HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of ineligible voters.
The Democrat Supreme Court in PA ruled that it was illegal to reject any ballots for mismatching signatures.
The same court also ruled that it was illegal to reject ballots for not having postmarks.
It’s weird that no evidence of mailing ballots to ineligible voters was presented by Trump’s team in their law suits.
How many forensic handwriting experts does the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania employ in determining signature verification?
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WinstonSmith wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Forbes: “The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024, the most recent date for which Federal Election Commission filings are available, ending with $118 million and $36.2 million in cash on hand, respectively.”
Take it up with CNN.
"Vice President Kamala Harris’ political team has raised $1 billion since entering the presidential race in late July, two sources familiar with the figure told CNN"
Whatever the truth is my point is still stronger than yours. Money is no object for the Democrats. They are the party of the elites and the ultrarich.
Take it up with the FEC
You are wrong on this. Harris was the only person who could access the money that Biden had raised up to the point that dropped out. This isn’t hard to see. She was far from an ideal candidate, having had to drop out of the 2020 primary early but without her, whatever candidate the Democrats were going to nominate would have started with zero in the bank.
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Backward adjustment wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
“Biden would have stepped aside long before”
Why? At what point? When before has a politician under so many criminal investigations been a credible candidate for office? And it’s been over fifty years since an eligible incumbent President voluntarily stepped out of the race.
Do you dispute any of what Trump did in the wake of the 2020 election? He pissed and moaned about voter fraud when there was none. His team arranged for fake electors. He called up state officials in Georgia and told them to just find the votes he needed. He implored Pence to reject enough Electoral Votes that would send the election to the House for him to win. And when Pence refused that, Trump was happy to fire up his supporters and have them ransack the Capitol to disrupt the certification as a last ditch resort. He does not want to be constrained by the law and wants the government to serve him, rather than the people of the United States.
Why? Because there’s no universe where a dementia patient beats Donald Trump in a presidential election. The media and Kamala’s cover for Biden bit them in the butt. Biden’s poor choice of VP cost the dems in the long run. It really has been interesting to see 4 years of poor decision making come home to roost in such a historic election.
Again, no serious person thinks Trump is a threat to democracy. It’s become an overused slogan for partisan hacks on the left side of the aisle and for unoriginal talking heads on tv.
I largely agree with your first paragraph. But Biden was the incumbent and with that comes a lot of momentum and he only dropped out when all the major Democratic donors said that they were done with him.
On your second paragraph, how can you possibly believe that when he so blatantly tried to subvert the 2020 election results? He made BS claims in court without evidence, he asked GOP officials in Georgia to find him enough votes to win the state, he asked Pence to reject enough electoral votes to send the election to the House and then urged his supporters to march to the Capitol to disrupt the certification process. He knew he lost and used almost every available power to him to subvert that result.
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Only fools think there was no fraud in 2020.
In PA they mailed ballots to the last known addresses of HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of ineligible voters.
The Democrat Supreme Court in PA ruled that it was illegal to reject any ballots for mismatching signatures.
The same court also ruled that it was illegal to reject ballots for not having postmarks.
It’s weird that no evidence of mailing ballots to ineligible voters was presented by Trump’s team in their law suits.
How many forensic handwriting experts does the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania employ in determining signature verification?
They didn't even look.
The idea that all of the lawsuits were thrown out for lack of evidence is one of the left's favorite lies.
And you don't need a single handwriting expert when it's literally illegal to even check.
If you have no idea who's ballot you're filling out it's going to be pretty obvious your signature isn't the actual voter's signature. You don't need forensics...
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Take it up with CNN.
"Vice President Kamala Harris’ political team has raised $1 billion since entering the presidential race in late July, two sources familiar with the figure told CNN"
Whatever the truth is my point is still stronger than yours. Money is no object for the Democrats. They are the party of the elites and the ultrarich.
Take it up with the FEC
You are wrong on this. Harris was the only person who could access the money that Biden had raised up to the point that dropped out. This isn’t hard to see. She was far from an ideal candidate, having had to drop out of the 2020 primary early but without her, whatever candidate the Democrats were going to nominate would have started with zero in the bank.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/22/kamala-harris-donors-joe-biden-00175832
"More people donated to her campaign in its first 10 days than in the entire 15 months of President Joe Biden’s."
It is idiotic to pretend Harris was chosen because they needed the money from the Biden warchest.
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WinstonSmith wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
It’s weird that no evidence of mailing ballots to ineligible voters was presented by Trump’s team in their law suits.
How many forensic handwriting experts does the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania employ in determining signature verification?
They didn't even look.
The idea that all of the lawsuits were thrown out for lack of evidence is one of the left's favorite lies.
And you don't need a single handwriting expert when it's literally illegal to even check.
If you have no idea who's ballot you're filling out it's going to be pretty obvious your signature isn't the actual voter's signature. You don't need forensics...
Trump’s team was parroting BS for which they presented no evidence.
Try to think critically on this: the Democrats engaged in a wave of chicanery in Pennsylvania in 2020 and again in 2022 to get Shapiro into office, but once he was they backed off in 2024?
Or, wait for it: enough people in Pennsylvania weren’t happy with the direction of the country in 2020 and chose “the other guy.”
And in 2024, still enough people weren’t happy with the direction of the country, coupled with the fact that there is still a sizable number of voters in the US that will not vote for a woman to be President no matter what, and chose “the other guy”.
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
They didn't even look.
The idea that all of the lawsuits were thrown out for lack of evidence is one of the left's favorite lies.
And you don't need a single handwriting expert when it's literally illegal to even check.
If you have no idea who's ballot you're filling out it's going to be pretty obvious your signature isn't the actual voter's signature. You don't need forensics...
Trump’s team was parroting BS for which they presented no evidence.
Try to think critically on this: the Democrats engaged in a wave of chicanery in Pennsylvania in 2020 and again in 2022 to get Shapiro into office, but once he was they backed off in 2024?
Or, wait for it: enough people in Pennsylvania weren’t happy with the direction of the country in 2020 and chose “the other guy.”
And in 2024, still enough people weren’t happy with the direction of the country, coupled with the fact that there is still a sizable number of voters in the US that will not vote for a woman to be President no matter what, and chose “the other guy”.
Too big to rig is the term.
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WinstonSmith wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Take it up with the FEC
You are wrong on this. Harris was the only person who could access the money that Biden had raised up to the point that dropped out. This isn’t hard to see. She was far from an ideal candidate, having had to drop out of the 2020 primary early but without her, whatever candidate the Democrats were going to nominate would have started with zero in the bank.
"More people donated to her campaign in its first 10 days than in the entire 15 months of President Joe Biden’s."
It is idiotic to pretend Harris was chosen because they needed the money from the Biden warchest.
It’s not hard to say, “ok, I was incorrect on how much Harris raised.”
Do you know the difference between starting a Presidential campaign in July with $100 million and starting it in July with zero? She got a lot of people to donate to her campaign because she was able to use Biden’s cash on hand to immediately start her campaign. It was a huge head start and the only practical option the Democrats had once it was clear that their donors were done with Biden.
The ability to change the FEC filing was one reason why many political observers felt Harris would be practical replacement for Biden since her name was already on the campaign account.
Both a longtime conservative election law expert at the Heritage Foundation, Hans von Spakovsky, and Federal Election Commissioner Dara Lindenbaum have publicly said Harris could access what Biden raised through his principal campaign committee, because it is registered for both the president and vice president.02 -
WinstonSmith wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:
Trump’s team was parroting BS for which they presented no evidence.
Try to think critically on this: the Democrats engaged in a wave of chicanery in Pennsylvania in 2020 and again in 2022 to get Shapiro into office, but once he was they backed off in 2024?
Or, wait for it: enough people in Pennsylvania weren’t happy with the direction of the country in 2020 and chose “the other guy.”
And in 2024, still enough people weren’t happy with the direction of the country, coupled with the fact that there is still a sizable number of voters in the US that will not vote for a woman to be President no matter what, and chose “the other guy”.
Too big to rig is the term.
You cannot accept a reality in which a slight majority of Pennsylvania voters weren’t pleased with the state of the country in 2020 and decided to make a change from a President who said, “no, I don’t take any responsibility for this.”
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
"More people donated to her campaign in its first 10 days than in the entire 15 months of President Joe Biden’s."
It is idiotic to pretend Harris was chosen because they needed the money from the Biden warchest.
It’s not hard to say, “ok, I was incorrect on how much Harris raised.”
Do you know the difference between starting a Presidential campaign in July with $100 million and starting it in July with zero? She got a lot of people to donate to her campaign because she was able to use Biden’s cash on hand to immediately start her campaign. It was a huge head start and the only practical option the Democrats had once it was clear that their donors were done with Biden.
The ability to change the FEC filing was one reason why many political observers felt Harris would be practical replacement for Biden since her name was already on the campaign account.
Both a longtime conservative election law expert at the Heritage Foundation, Hans von Spakovsky, and Federal Election Commissioner Dara Lindenbaum have publicly said Harris could access what Biden raised through his principal campaign committee, because it is registered for both the president and vice president.I believed CNN "the most trusted name in news".
It is absurd to pretend the Democrat machine wouldn't be able to raise money for any candidate just because they started in July.
"Kamala Harris raised nearly $1bn in the past three months and surged past Donald Trump in the money race to amass a huge campaign war chest for the US presidential contest’s final stretch."
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Jeff Wigand wrote:
WinstonSmith wrote:
Too big to rig is the term.
You cannot accept a reality in which a slight majority of Pennsylvania voters weren’t pleased with the state of the country in 2020 and decided to make a change from a President who said, “no, I don’t take any responsibility for this.”
We'll never know what actually happened because the Democrats allowed unsolicited ballots to be mailed out by the hundreds of thousands and then counted them after 3 am on election night without signature matching.
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