Racket wrote:The alternative to a diplomatic deal was war.
Because that's always worked out in the Middle East... You aren't making the case any better.
Racket wrote:The alternative to a diplomatic deal was war.
Because that's always worked out in the Middle East... You aren't making the case any better.
It appears Pompeo is brining home one trained Korean spy. and two foreign undesirables.
Trump just got played by Rocketman real hard. The three Americans are actually Koreans. None were born in the US. One was living and woking in North Korea with his families there. The other was teaching a class and lives in China. The third was caught spying and once an address in Northern Virginia — convenient to the CIA headquarters in Langley.
Played by NK wrote:
It appears Pompeo is brining home one trained Korean spy. and two foreign undesirables.
Trump just got played by Rocketman real hard. The three Americans are actually Koreans. None were born in the US. One was living and woking in North Korea with his families there. The other was teaching a class and lives in China. The third was caught spying and once an address in Northern Virginia — convenient to the CIA headquarters in Langley.
If they are American citizens then it is unquestionably a good thing that we got them out of North Korea.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Because it’s all about getting rid of anything that has Obama’s name attached to it. Even things supported by both sides and our allies.
Obama supported it so it must be bad. It’s all about “us” vs “them”.
Alan
Meanwhile, in reality...
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/05/08/flashback-even-democrats-thought-obamas-now-dead-iran-deal-was-total-garbage-n2478714https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us/politics/schumer-says-he-will-oppose-iran-nuclear-deal.htmlFat hurts wrote:
Played by NK wrote:
It appears Pompeo is brining home one trained Korean spy. and two foreign undesirables.
Trump just got played by Rocketman real hard. The three Americans are actually Koreans. None were born in the US. One was living and woking in North Korea with his families there. The other was teaching a class and lives in China. The third was caught spying and once an address in Northern Virginia — convenient to the CIA headquarters in Langley.
If they are American citizens then it is unquestionably a good thing that we got them out of North Korea.
The wife of one lives in North Korea. He does not live in America, and will likely move to South Korea with his wife trapped in North Korea.
Another lives in China. He will move back home there.
The third does seem to be a CIA spy who will likely move back home to South Korea.
Something is amiss with these American "prisoners".
Great day for patriotic Americans!!!!
Terrible day for democrats (Christian haters).
The families wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
If they are American citizens then it is unquestionably a good thing that we got them out of North Korea.
The wife of one lives in North Korea. He does not live in America, and will likely move to South Korea with his wife trapped in North Korea.
Another lives in China. He will move back home there.
The third does seem to be a CIA spy who will likely move back home to South Korea.
Something is amiss with these American "prisoners".
While I don't think that the US government is obligated to protect its citizens from their own bad decisions (traveling to NK), I do think that if the government is going to negotiate their release from NK, then their country of residence should not be a factor.
well wrote:
The families wrote:
The wife of one lives in North Korea. He does not live in America, and will likely move to South Korea with his wife trapped in North Korea.
Another lives in China. He will move back home there.
The third does seem to be a CIA spy who will likely move back home to South Korea.
Something is amiss with these American "prisoners".
While I don't think that the US government is obligated to protect its citizens from their own bad decisions (traveling to NK), I do think that if the government is going to negotiate their release from NK, then their country of residence should not be a factor.
Trump will now have to accept all the American Bad Hombres every country wants to deport. That is what juts happened. Korea deported three undesirables (a spy and two troublemakers) and Trump accepted them (he accepted them before he knew who they were).
well wrote:
The families wrote:
The wife of one lives in North Korea. He does not live in America, and will likely move to South Korea with his wife trapped in North Korea.
Another lives in China. He will move back home there.
The third does seem to be a CIA spy who will likely move back home to South Korea.
Something is amiss with these American "prisoners".
While I don't think that the US government is obligated to protect its citizens from their own bad decisions (traveling to NK), I do think that if the government is going to negotiate their release from NK, then their country of residence should not be a factor.
Ahem. One lives in North Korea and was not a visitor there. Another was a scholar who regularly taught a class there (he lives in China). The third is from South Korea and is accused of spying.
"Stay tuned!" Tweeted Trump. He will interview the three Americans next week. All three will likely need interpreters. That will be one interesting interview.
NKers wrote:
Ahem. One lives in North Korea and was not a visitor there. Another was a scholar who regularly taught a class there (he lives in China). The third is from South Korea and is accused of spying.
Trump is bringing them home!
Crybabies rule wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Because it’s all about getting rid of anything that has Obama’s name attached to it. Even things supported by both sides and our allies.
Obama supported it so it must be bad. It’s all about “us” vs “them”.
Alan
Meanwhile, in reality...
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/05/08/flashback-even-democrats-thought-obamas-now-dead-iran-deal-was-total-garbage-n2478714https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us/politics/schumer-says-he-will-oppose-iran-nuclear-deal.html
And again, nobody can tell me why it's a good idea to walk away from the deal. Don't just post links with somebody else's opinion. Explain in your own words.
Also keep in mind that a lot of the benefits for Iran have already come to pass. For instance, they got their assets unfrozen and their money has already been returned to them. So why is it good to walk away from the deal today?
Bad Korean Hombres wrote:
well wrote:
While I don't think that the US government is obligated to protect its citizens from their own bad decisions (traveling to NK), I do think that if the government is going to negotiate their release from NK, then their country of residence should not be a factor.
Trump will now have to accept all the American Bad Hombres every country wants to deport. That is what juts happened. Korea deported three undesirables (a spy and two troublemakers) and Trump accepted them (he accepted them before he knew who they were).
I seriously doubt Trump didn't know. If he didn't know then there is some more staff he needs to fire.
I don't care who they are, if they are American citizens then it is good we got them out of North Korea. We can deal with the rest later.
NKers wrote:
well wrote:
While I don't think that the US government is obligated to protect its citizens from their own bad decisions (traveling to NK), I do think that if the government is going to negotiate their release from NK, then their country of residence should not be a factor.
Ahem. One lives in North Korea and was not a visitor there. Another was a scholar who regularly taught a class there (he lives in China). The third is from South Korea and is accused of spying.
Let me try this another way. Is it constitutional for the president to negotiate the release of American citizens from foreign imprisonment? If so, why should that power only be used for certain American citizens and not for others?
Yes I realize that these citizens are "coming home to America" right now, but will then return to their actual home countries. My point is that your rights as an American citizen are not dependent on your place of residence.
Fat hurts wrote:
Bad Korean Hombres wrote:
Trump will now have to accept all the American Bad Hombres every country wants to deport. That is what juts happened. Korea deported three undesirables (a spy and two troublemakers) and Trump accepted them (he accepted them before he knew who they were).
I seriously doubt Trump didn't know. If he didn't know then there is some more staff he needs to fire.
I don't care who they are, if they are American citizens then it is good we got them out of North Korea. We can deal with the rest later.
The Korean-"American: living in North Korea is an odd case. Almost all Americans living in North Korea are either defectors or prisoners from the Korean war (the last who died in 2017). Korea deported all 200 Americans living there last September.
http://time.com/4913703/americans-living-north-korea-have-little-time-left/NKers wrote:
well wrote:
While I don't think that the US government is obligated to protect its citizens from their own bad decisions (traveling to NK), I do think that if the government is going to negotiate their release from NK, then their country of residence should not be a factor.
Ahem. One lives in North Korea and was not a visitor there. Another was a scholar who regularly taught a class there (he lives in China). The third is from South Korea and is accused of spying.
This is the country that tosses three generations of families members into labor camps if one of them decided not to attend a national holiday in celebration of Dear Leader. NK typically charges folks with either "spying" or "hostile acts"- I am convinced their court system is the most just in the entire world!!!!
Fat hurts wrote:
Bad Korean Hombres wrote:
Trump will now have to accept all the American Bad Hombres every country wants to deport. That is what juts happened. Korea deported three undesirables (a spy and two troublemakers) and Trump accepted them (he accepted them before he knew who they were).
I seriously doubt Trump didn't know. If he didn't know then there is some more staff he needs to fire.
I don't care who they are, if they are American citizens then it is good we got them out of North Korea. We can deal with the rest later.
Yep...this is the right answer here. Why is it that only non-Trumpers ever have any reasonable responses?
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I seriously doubt Trump didn't know. If he didn't know then there is some more staff he needs to fire.
I don't care who they are, if they are American citizens then it is good we got them out of North Korea. We can deal with the rest later.
Yep...this is the right answer here. Why is it that only non-Trumpers ever have any reasonable responses?
Ooh, ooh, I know! I know!
Because Trumpettes are NOT Americans!
Fat hurts wrote:
Now we have information that huge sums of money were taken in by Michael Cohen through his LLC, Essential Consulting. This is the same LLC that paid Stormy Daniels.
Massive payments were made by AT&T, Novartis, and, get this, the Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg. These payments totaled at least $4.4 million. The entities who paid Cohen had important matters to be decided by the Trump administration.
The only question now is, "Where did the money go?" If it went to Trump or the Trump Organization, he might be impeached much sooner than we thought.
I really thought that this whole thing wouldn't be wrapped up until well into 2019. But this looks like a case of bribery. If it can be shown conclusively that Trump took bribes then the clown is going to be done really, really soon.
I don't think even Republicans in congress will be able to protect the president. After all, this isn't just a case of "how do you interpret high crimes and misdemeanors?" This is potential bribery. And bribery is explicitly given as grounds for impeachment.
To quote our beloved Constitution:
The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
1) The really bad one there is the money from Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg. So far, it appears money from AT&T and Novartis could be legal depending on exactly how it all went down...I am still unclear about all the legal ramifications there...still learning. The money from Russian oligarch Viktor Vekselberg though...bad news. Politically, this SHOULD be bad optics for Trump as this is VERY swampy behavior from someone who was supposed to drain the swamp, but I am more and more convinced each day that remaining Trump supporters are mouth breathers who will support him no matter what he does, even if he goes against everything he said he would do. Dumb people are unable to discern.
2) Trump could be impeached next week and it would not surprise me. The thing is that we are dealing with a criminal who is amoral, and that has gone into my prediction from day one...the path of the current investigations suggest he will be gone eventually and not in the next week, but with someone so criminal who seems to have no boundaries, anything could happen there.
3) Bribery is definitely on the table, you are right about that. I mentioned that a while back...April 26 in this thread to be exact - "It is unclear what of the many things will be the ONE that people will credit for bringing down this President, but collusion is definitely on the table, and I predict that he WILL face that charge and be found guilty in the form of either conspiracy or bribery. It is not a matter of if he committed any crimes, just how many. He, and/or his campaign or close advisers have conspired with Russia to swing the election in his favor. This will be discovered, even if something else takes him down first."
Mueller is coming. The Southern District of New York is coming. The DNC is coming. Michael Avenatti is coming.
The clown is done.
Assuming no impeachment in first term, all we need is either 1) just 1-2% of 2016 trumpers to stay home, leaving the mouth-breathers who will support no matter what, or 2) more democrats to show up to vote, or 3) both. He's working with the narrowest margin of error. He is shooting himself in the foot almost on a daily basis but we should not discount just low the performance bar was set for him. We should also not discount that Democrats also really dislike their leadership right now. He may pull it off, but he will need his party to rally behind him, I don't think he will be able to get elected alone this time around.
I will defer to the guy who says brah/bruh to give me the straight talk though.