Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

1) Your response was not helpful. You are just barfing out Trump talking points. Someone or something has made Rigged For Hillary honestly believe that Trump is not in danger here, and I'd like to know what that is.

2) Your head is in the sand if you believe collusion (conspiracy) with Russia will not be proven. What we know publicly already proves it, and there is for sure stuff we don't know yet. Here's what we know - Russians contacted Donald Trump Jr. and said they wanted to have a meeting to give him dirt on Hillary. Don Jr. responded "...I love it especially later in the summer". That tells that that he is amenable and then he tells them when to do it. That is enough right there. And then they HAVE the meeting, complete with a Russian lawyer who has ties to the Kremlin...AND this was pointed out in the e-mails that she was a "Russian government lawyer". That is slam dunk. The fact that then later the dirt on Hillary DID come out is just gravy, but it is not needed. There is not "attempted conspiracy". This was conspiracy. Evidence that Don Jr. called a blocked number after the meeting. I wonder who that was?

3) You and other Trumpers like to bring up the potential ills of others as if that protects Donald Trump in some way. If any FBI employees were criminal in their behavior, then lets go get them! I couldn't care less if they pay the price. Donald Trump will though, no matter what happens to these FBI employees.

4) I never lose my mind, and I am not here. I am just right, and I have asked a simple question of Rigged for Hillary to show me what is making him so sure of himself. Perhaps there is a sage out there that I don't know about who can make me see that I am wrong. I doubt it, but I leave that to Rigged for Hillary to show me.

5) Your childish responses aside, I AM right today. I will be PROVEN right when Mueller is done with his investigation.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.[/quote]

Those of us living in the light of reason hope Mueller will pull it off. I don't share your confidence but I respect it. But can we really say that executive malfeasance (or chicanery prior to getting elected) has ever successfully ensnared the ring leaders? Nixon was pardoned, and not even charged with his worst crimes, which occurred on the eve of the election. His secretary of state went on to win the Nobel Prize, making a mockery of the award. Iran-Contra garnered no major prosecutions. But perhaps this time could be different? It would be a stroke for justice to see Jared K. go to jail. What concerns me however is the degree to which those on the right who don't care about Trump are watching this whole investigation with glee, because it is a useful distraction while they do their worst. They are all too happy to be taking apart the regulatory function of the government and dismantling social services while this plays out. They are probably reasonably certain Trump will go down one way or another and happy to ride the gravy train in the meantime. The mandate they have to do this is based upon an astonishingly small percentage of the American electorate, underscoring the degree to which a small portion of very wealthy people are controlling the direction of the country right now. It has ever been thus, but not anywhere near this degree.

U 1st wrote:

Get us started wrote:

Provide 5 specific aspects of the Iran deal. If you are able to do that, support those specifics with why you support them.

We cannot have a serious discussion by conversing at the News Headline level. This is a HUGE part of the problem with politics in this country.

When challenging someone to state their opinion always provide your opinion first. Otherwise you are nothing but a troll.

Correct. If Fat Hurts wants to have a serious discussion- that he brought up, mind you- HE needs to state his opinion. And that opinion needs to be explained based on specific details, not Headline level statements ("tearing down anything Obama did regardless of the cost to humanity").

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

I noticed that CNN managed to brush aside the multiple women beating NY AG, Eric Schneiderman story.

"No one is above the law, and I'll continue to remind President Trump and his administration of that fact everyday." - Eric Schneiderman (Attorney General, NY)

CNN was amongst the first media outlets to put it out there, if not the first.

You remain a boob.

Yeah, he's definitely not losing his mind or anything...

It's totally normal to bring up Michael Aishe in a thread that's been discussing potential Russian collusion.

And it's totally normal to proclaim "I'm right" when you've literally been wrong for 2.5 years. Nut job. :-)

Get us started wrote:

U 1st wrote:

When challenging someone to state their opinion always provide your opinion first. Otherwise you are nothing but a troll.

Correct. If Fat Hurts wants to have a serious discussion- that he brought up, mind you- HE needs to state his opinion. And that opinion needs to be explained based on specific details, not Headline level statements ("tearing down anything Obama did regardless of the cost to humanity").

You created the challenge. Post your opinion first. Thanks, troll.

Democrats lose again!!!!

Hopefully this is an inoculation against evil, but you may be right.

We are at the end of the middle or beginning of the end for all of this. Trump is gong to bury himself with the help of senile, shady lawyers. There is nothing he can say or do now. Trump's brain isn't good enough to remember all the lies he has been telling everyone for years. He will lie to the special council, that is certain.

The midterms will be sending the house to blue and they will probably move to impeach him. The Senate will not have the votes unless what Mueller proves finally sways many of the remaining trumpets to come to their senses. Either way, it might even be better having a completely neutered lame duck Trump for the next two years than a religious right anti gay, racist Pence with an invigorated base. Pence is f**king terrible and probably competent enough to actually get dangerous policy enacted while keeping his fingers off of the tweet buttons.

What you and I know is this is more insanely corrupt than any president in modern times has been involved in. And you and I know nothing compared to Robert Mueller.

As the mighty Flagpole has said...He's done. And then we will have to baby-proof the government going forward. As for his followers, they appear to be unreachable. Only time and perspective will bring them up to speed.

The Fokus wrote:

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

I noticed that CNN managed to brush aside the multiple women beating NY AG, Eric Schneiderman story.

"No one is above the law, and I'll continue to remind President Trump and his administration of that fact everyday." - Eric Schneiderman (Attorney General, NY)

CNN was amongst the first media outlets to put it out there, if not the first.

You remain a boob.

Rigged is unaware the Schneiderman resigned yesterday. Meanwhile, Trump and other abusive, sexist, Republicans are refuse to resign, and the base (Rigged, Disco, Hardloper, Jaimin) defend them and demand that they remain in place.

Primary day in Indiana, and we have three Republicans running for the right to oppose Democrat Joe Donnelly in the fall.

All three are claiming to be bigly Trump supporters and are running hard to get the Trump vote -- general message being "send one of us to Washington to support the Trump agenda."

I can't vote for any of those clowns.

Jose el Plomero wrote:

Primary day in Indiana, and we have three Republicans running for the right to oppose Democrat Joe Donnelly in the fall.

All three are claiming to be bigly Trump supporters and are running hard to get the Trump vote -- general message being "send one of us to Washington to support the Trump agenda."

I can't vote for any of those clowns.

And these types of situations --also West Virginia-- have republicans in panic mode. They are Republicans. They are not the Freedom Caucus (Tea Party). They are vile Trumpers.

They are *NOT* Republicans.

Jose el Plomero wrote:

Primary day in Indiana, and we have three Republicans running for the right to oppose Democrat Joe Donnelly in the fall.

All three are claiming to be bigly Trump supporters and are running hard to get the Trump vote -- general message being "send one of us to Washington to support the Trump agenda."

I can't vote for any of those clowns.

More and more it appears this will be the midterm Republican strategy. "Send a Trumper to Washington to defend him".

vs.

Te Democrat strategy of "He/she's just like Trump".

We'll see which side wins.

Get us started wrote:

Correct. If Fat Hurts wants to have a serious discussion- that he brought up, mind you- HE needs to state his opinion. And that opinion needs to be explained based on specific details, not Headline level statements ("tearing down anything Obama did regardless of the cost to humanity").

I don't think I need to be the first to go into detail. The deal is in already in place. Only Trump and Israel seem to be opposed. It is always incumbent upon those who seek change to explain why a change is needed.

Is there nobody here able to give a logical explanation why we need to pull out of this deal?

Fat hurts wrote:

Get us started wrote:

Correct. If Fat Hurts wants to have a serious discussion- that he brought up, mind you- HE needs to state his opinion. And that opinion needs to be explained based on specific details, not Headline level statements ("tearing down anything Obama did regardless of the cost to humanity").

I don't think I need to be the first to go into detail. The deal is in already in place. Only Trump and Israel seem to be opposed. It is always incumbent upon those who seek change to explain why a change is needed.

Is there nobody here able to give a logical explanation why we need to pull out of this deal?

Jared and Ivanka are Jewish. Trump is making the deal for Ivanka. Jared is expendable.

Not so fast bro wrote:

Giuliani probably gets fired in the next couple of weeks. Like The Mooch, he is now taking valuable press attention away from the Donald, and we can't have that.

Very true. He's just not helping either, but that's as much or more Trump's fault.

Those of us living in the light of reason hope Mueller will pull it off. I don't share your confidence but I respect it. But can we really say that executive malfeasance (or chicanery prior to getting elected) has ever successfully ensnared the ring leaders? Nixon was pardoned, and not even charged with his worst crimes, which occurred on the eve of the election. His secretary of state went on to win the Nobel Prize, making a mockery of the award. Iran-Contra garnered no major prosecutions. But perhaps this time could be different? It would be a stroke for justice to see Jared K. go to jail. What concerns me however is the degree to which those on the right who don't care about Trump are watching this whole investigation with glee, because it is a useful distraction while they do their worst. They are all too happy to be taking apart the regulatory function of the government and dismantling social services while this plays out. They are probably reasonably certain Trump will go down one way or another and happy to ride the gravy train in the meantime. The mandate they have to do this is based upon an astonishingly small percentage of the American electorate, underscoring the degree to which a small portion of very wealthy people are controlling the direction of the country right now. It has ever been thus, but not anywhere near this degree.[/quote]

You make good points. Here are my reactions to many of them.

1) Nixon was pardoned, but, lets remember that he did resign (and also that accepting a pardon means admitting guilt). While I believe Trump deserves extensive prison time, what is helpful with regard to him is that he is removed from office. Prison time for Trump, again while deserved, mostly will serve as a deterrent to other future despot wannabes...that's valuable, but if he were removed from office and then didn't serve jail time, as far as punishing The Orange One, I could accept that. Would be a shame though if he serves no jail time just for the future despot wannabes out there.

2) Good point about the Iran-Contra stuff. There were 12 people indicted. Reagan skated due to his "plausible deniability". I don't think Trump can do that here.

3) Jared K. will likely go to jail.

4) I'm not on board with most of the Republican agenda either, but normal policy disagreements are fine and even good for America. I have long said I want a strong Republican Party, because no party should have complete power forever. Democrats are going to have an upswing for a little while, and then the Republicans will center themselves and come back, and it will continue going back and forth for a long time yet.

5) I know your comment about "not anywhere near this degree" was not aimed at Trump and his illegal activities, but it applies there also. Nixon and Bill Clinton are choir boys compared to Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is so screwed.

The big three are - Obstruction of justice, money laundering, and collusion (conspiracy) with Russia. He will be found guilty of all of those things. Seems ridiculous to know that and yet not be sure that he will serve time in prison. Obstruction of Justice is typically punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Felony convictions for money laundering (each count) range from 3 years to 12.5 years in prison. Each count of conspiracy to "defraud the United States" which is what this will be, carries a sentence up to 5 years in prison.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Trump would never do time.

Pence would pardon him, no doubt about it.

pointy bird wrote:

Yeah, he's definitely not losing his mind or anything...

And it's totally normal to proclaim "I'm right" when you've literally been wrong for 2.5 years. Nut job. :-)

1) In the last 2.5 years I have been wrong so far about one thing...that Trump would not win the 2016 election. Before that election, I said that he would not win unless there was cheating. I even brought up the idea that if aliens came down here and forced us all to vote for Donald Trump that that would not count as him winning. So, as we stand today, I remain WRONG that he would win, because we don't have proof of the cheating yet (though we do have evidence of it). WHEN it is determined that Trump or his campaign or American surrogates colluded with Russia to help him win the election, then I will be RIGHT about that prediction, for cheaters can not be winners (see Olympians who have had medals stripped from them after testing positive).

2) I have not been wrong about anything else. Everything since then is a prediction that can't be known until the investigation is over and we find out the results.

3) So, you lose here simply because you are not telling the truth...just like your Dear Leader.

Make no mistake...you aren't dealing with a chimp here...I will be proven right about all of this.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Jose el Plomero wrote:

Trump would never do time.

Pence would pardon him, no doubt about it.

Trump needs to do hard time as part of the general prison population. That way the males of families that have been separated and prepared for decoration, bad hombres, and the men from sh!thole countries can let him know what they think about him.