Official thread to discuss moderation policies

I stand corrected -- he doesn't even want you banned.

rekrunner wrote:

Far be it for me to stick up for "casual", but similarly, from what I read here, he just wants you banned, not physically harmed.

I'm getting caught up here and will post a few responses.

Seems like this thread devolved a bit into discussing Coevett. I was going to say I found a post where he definitely posted the "black dildo" post.

I am glad he admitted it as much and tried to explain it. However, I don't care what people were saying to him, it does not justify that type of post.

malmo wrote:

the gentleman wrote:

Yet again, Malmo, you care more about the flaws of the people pointing out the problem rather than the problem itself.

What's wrong with you? You pointed it out. Thank you. It's been deleted. End of story.,

Ok. I'm back on this thread.

This post above is the type of post we don't want on LetsRun.com.

There is no need to say "What's wrong with you?" and make it a personal attack. This is coming from someone who can moderate our site. Posts like this often don't get removed, but don't contribute to a civil discussion.

I'm not even sure they violate any of our TOS but we want civil discussion. You are going to see posts you don't like, but there is no reason to make personal attacks in responding. Argue the substance not the sanity of the person.

facts and reason wrote:

I made a post and put it correctly under the "politics" sub-topic, and it was deleted without any explanation.

It had no curse words, no porn, no copyright infringement, no bias against protected groups, no spam, and no advertisement. I didn't violate the terms of service.

Moderation like this is a sham.

Perhaps we should have a separate forum for non-running posts but we only have so much space on the main forum so sometimes political posts get deleted or consolidated. Any thoughts on how to handle this?

The Dingo^3 wrote:

Apologies if this has already been posted, as I haven't read through the entire thread, but...

Why was the tree counting thread deleted? This is years after the fact, but that was all-time Letsrun content and it was deleted with no explanation, and any attempt to ask why was subsequently deleted too. That's an example of a harmless thread being deleted without explaining that irk the community.

Two others would be Malmo's discretion over what stays and goes which has been noted already, and trolls flooding good threads. A recent, obvious example is Frank Meza. Obviously when a thread hits thousands of posts its hard to sort through everything, but I support Letsrun's attempts to out frauds (just an example) but it's taken away from / gives the forum a bad reputation when 'harassment' is allowed. No easy fix for that though.

Email me on the tree thread. have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe it can be restored.

1) We now archive deleted posts.

2) It does not take much for posts to be AUTOMATICALLY deleted without a moderating looking at them. We have a system in place that does that if a post gets reported by enough people. This hasn't always been in place and when we upgraded servers we found out it wasn't working for a while but for example if you started a post now with the N word in the title (well you can't actually do that as we have filters) It would quickly get reported by a bunch of people and could be deleted even before a moderator saw it.

Coevett wrote:

I accept there's a few genuine snowflake SJWs who truly see me as a 'racist', but of the people here screaming here that I need to be banned are either paid shills (probably Russian) such as Casual Observer, dopers, or simply disturbed trolls who fantasize about rape and bestiality.

Coevett I'm putting you on warning. I know you have been banned in the past, but the post above is the type of post will get you banned. I'd ban you now, but you are posting this trying to contribute to this discussion of moderating.

However, saying people who disagree wtih you "fantasize about rape and bestiality" is not the type of discussion we want on LetsRun.com.

Obviously the "black dildo" type post should get you a ban as well.

We want a civil forum.

David S wrote:

So did you threaten Coevett with violence or not?

If you really think I'm in Coevetts corner you had better ask the Brojos what my stated opinion of him really is. I'm almost in 100% disagreement with his opinions. I'm also rarely attracted to the threads he's in. My only interest in them is to keep order, as most of those threads start and finish with constant hostility. If there internal hostilities with each other were confined to the same thread I'd never look at it. The real problem with threads like those involving Coevett is the spillover to ther threads which ends up ruining this for everyone on the message.

This is accurate.

I think people are going to see stuff they don't like or strongly disagree with on here. We allow controversial topics and opinions to be discussed. Our goal is to delete the stuff that clearly crosses a line. You may disagree with where that line is but I think things really get out of hand when then people dissolve into the spillover personal attacks.

Bad Wigins wrote:

It was pointless to start a discussion thread about "mod policies" because naturally the fanatic complainers took over.

Policy #1 should always be the promotion of free speech, and if anything should be suppressed, it's the demands of the control freaks who spazz out every time anyone says anything bad. Like bad words are gonna burn down the world. Grow up, control freaks!

The sickness crippling the internet is the millions of people who crawl around it deliberately looking for things to be offended by. If not for these habitual troll-feeders, trolling wouldn't even be a thing. Most trolls don't even believe the things they say and are merely playing along with the desperate masochism of their enablers.

I agree with this general sentiment on erring on the side of free discussion. You likely will find some posts on here that are offensive. You may even find posts on here you consider racist. The black dildo posts is for example one of them. We don't want posts like that on our site. I will leave it at least for now as it is being discussed. I'm not trying to justify it as we would want it removed.

However, in general if there is something you disagree with I encourage you to state why in a civil manner. If it crosses a line report it and it will be reviewed. A think a lot of the worst posts are in thread where a few people are posting back and forth that fortunately not many others are reading but that doesn't mean we want that content on letsrun or that we haven't come up short in moderating.

I will more actively reviewing the posts deleted by malmo. It is a thankless job and he does a good job of reviewing some of the worst crap on here.

I also will give him a warning in the tone he uses to address others. As a moderator who can delete posts and not ban people he needs to be respecting our quest for a civil forum.

Posts attacking others are not what we want from a moderator.

Thank you for taking the time to reply so thoroughly, wejo.

wejo wrote:

I also will give him a warning in the tone he uses to address others. As a moderator who can delete posts and not ban people he needs to be respecting our quest for a civil forum.

A warning seems insufficient. He has been very consistent in calling people names and making small personal attacks like this. But it's your site...

You should at least implement a policy that anybody with moderating ability should only post under their main name. It only seems fair for us to know if we are discussing with somebody who is capable of deleting any dissenting opinion. This would add weight to your pledge to "monitor" what Malmo deletes.

If someone makes a post which is out of line, and it is reported, I thing the Mods should give the poster two options. 1) Be banned for a specific period of time or 2) Register. The IP address would be flagged if neither occurs.

wejo wrote:

Coevett I'm putting you on warning.

LLOLOLOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOOL

HHAHA HHA HAHHA HA HA HA HA HUH....ha

warning........LOL...you guys seem REAL serious about cleaning this place up

can't imagine what it takes to get kicked off this site

Wejo....you did see the post where called Kenyans the dumbest people he has ever met in his life, right?

He has physical threatened people in the past and even today he is accusing people of bestiality on other threads. Doesn't seem too contrite to me.....

.....he's been banned in the past and that obviously didn't improve his behavior what possible justification is there to not permanently banning him now? He's contributung to this thread? but is he? I mean what contribution has he made?

Also...you noticeable haven't answered the question about why reported racist posts stay up for days while posts pointing them out get deleted in 5 mins. I'm talking about blatantly racist ones celebrating 'beaners' getting skewered on steel stakes. What possible excuse are you going to make for your mods? It's a repeating pattern and never gets addressed. Why would a mod on your site want to keep up posts about lynching black people? Any mod involved in that should be gone, immediately.

you won't ban racist posters, you have mods obviously protecting racist posts........do you have any intention at all of solving these issues?

Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt.

And if/when he writes racist, threatening or sexually insulting posts we'll just quote them on here.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt.

And if/when he writes racist, threatening or sexually insulting posts we'll just quote them on here.

doubt? what doubt?

but i see your point.....if he we post dozens of obvious examples of him being insulting, vulgar, extremely racist and referring to bestiality then maybe wejo will give him another warning.

it's a new day.....the sheriff is in town!! watch out guys.....commit 40-50 more crimes and the law will surely maybe be coming down on you temporarily! maybe.

wejo wrote:

[quote]malmo wrote:

What's wrong with you? You pointed it out. Thank you. It's been deleted. End of story.,

Ok. I'm back on this thread.

This post above is the type of post we don't want on LetsRun.com.

There is no need to say "What's wrong with you?" and make it a personal attack. This is coming from someone who can moderate our site. Posts like this often don't get removed, but don't contribute to a civil discussion.

I'm not even sure they violate any of our TOS but we want civil discussion. You are going to see posts you don't like, but

Wejo, "What's wrong with you?" is not an insult, it's a colloquial phrase of disbelief. It's a theatrical capitulation. I would say that to any friend or family member, and none of them would think they are being insulted. If I say "What's wrong with you?" it's because the antagonist refuses to listen and accept what I had said in clear language. The substance is simple: "Report those posts." Putting your name to it can be helpful too. Whatever you do signing "wejo" or "rojo" isn't going to fool anyone.

It's times like these that I think the Candid Camera film crew is going to come out of the closet with "We got you!!!!!" and everyone has a big laugh...but no, I don't even see a microphone hidden in the Bonzai tree.

No issue with the boards or the fact the mods are white males. I am a minority male and enjoy the site. It has never offended me.

I think a lot of posters have to know the brojos are popular and connected in the running community and that political element could play into who or what they do regarding moderation. They know a ton of posters IRL and I think that is why many are upset.

[quote]Basics wrote:

Put down some basic rules.

What merits a thread deletion?

What merits a post deletion?

/quote]

+1

Lol, is calling people insane and telling them seek mental help because they disagree with you also just a friendly colloquial phrase where you are from?

Also, why on earth would we put our names on the report a post? to help you harass us later?

there is already a bad enough prob on this website of creepy mods peeping IP addresses of people they disagree with politically and then creeping on them in other posts and chiming in with weird stalker comments. just weird man...just weird.

I love it. 'It's only when the poster has refused to accept what i have said";.....lol, that

is because a lot of what you say is clearly pure BS. You obviously refuse to delete reported posts and then rapidly delete any complaint about them and you just fly off the handle anytime someone clearly points that out. Wouldn't life be so much easier if everyone would just accept what you aid....lol

maybe it's time to take a step away from the mod role, it takes a certain temperament