Can someone post the result please????
Can someone post the result please????
D-Nice wrote:
The Mollusk wrote:Is it possible that the US will earn more medals in the mid-d and d events than in the sprints?
It will be interesting to see. After it's all done compare:
100,200,400,110h, and 400h with
800, 1500, 3000s, 5000, and 10,000
I would have thought it unthinkable that the mid/long distance would have more overall medals. USA does have a good shot for at least one medal in the 200 and 400h. Relay medals don't count, obviously since there's no distance relays.
Some of the sprints and hurdles were adversely impacted when very young athletes who were at the end of looooong seasons beat veteran pros at the trials. A few of those younger athletes totally bonked at the Olympics, which isn't a surprise. Nothing that can really be done about that-- I think the Trials system we have is as fair as it gets.
El Keniano wrote:
Happy for Jager and all you good Americans even though most of you think I'm a hater.😜 This is the kind of race we expect from the MF Olympics. Even at 34, Kemboi showed some fight, even though his kick has long left him. This bronze is the perfect retirement for him.
But my boy Conseslus is in a different galaxy and at just 21, I'd say he's set to dominate for a decade but for that other youngster Jarius Birech. Jarius just told Kenyan TV that a world record would be the only consolation for not making the team. This rivalry will be epic.
Jager will be the next WR holder.
Oh, and about the no Kenyans in the 5K thing. Lagat and Paul Chelimo of the US and at least one of the Bahrain qualifiers are native Kenyans, so I guess some Kenyans made it. Just nobody currently competing for Kenya made it.
113 wrote:
D-Nice wrote:It will be interesting to see. After it's all done compare:
100,200,400,110h, and 400h with
800, 1500, 3000s, 5000, and 10,000
I would have thought it unthinkable that the mid/long distance would have more overall medals. USA does have a good shot for at least one medal in the 200 and 400h. Relay medals don't count, obviously since there's no distance relays.
Some of the sprints and hurdles were adversely impacted when very young athletes who were at the end of looooong seasons beat veteran pros at the trials. A few of those younger athletes totally bonked at the Olympics, which isn't a surprise. Nothing that can really be done about that-- I think the Trials system we have is as fair as it gets.
I made a mistake. I was, for no apparent reason, thinking we were talking about just the men when comparing mid/long distance to sprints/hurdles and total medals. But, if it's men and women, then the sprints/jurdles are still going to have more medals overall. But, that doesn't change the fact that the mid/long distance team is doing fantastic.
you walked into this one wrote:
El Keniano wrote:Happy for Jager and all you good Americans even though most of you think I'm a hater.😜 This is the kind of race we expect from the MF Olympics. Even at 34, Kemboi showed some fight, even though his kick has long left him. This bronze is the perfect retirement for him.
But my boy Conseslus is in a different galaxy and at just 21, I'd say he's set to dominate for a decade but for that other youngster Jarius Birech. Jarius just told Kenyan TV that a world record would be the only consolation for not making the team. This rivalry will be epic.
Jager will be the next WR holder.
He did well but let's not push it now, ok? It will be Jarius or Conseslus. They're both only 22 & 21.
If Evan Jager--from flat, non-altitude, suburban Illinois--is that strong, it leads me to think (assuming Jager is clean) that a lot of other people can be clean too. Jager might have been able to win today. And he might win in four years. And we think he is clean. So why aren't the Kenyans clean too?
A few years ago--before everyone got caught up in the Salem Witch Trials of doping--the question was whether anyone born outside East Africa could compete in distance events. Jager, Rupp, Huddle, Simpson, Flanagan have answered that question. Not hard for me to believe that--if they are clean--many of the people who beat them are too.
Are some people cheating? Of course. Human nature. Walk into any high school math class around the world and a few kids are cheating. Some of them high-performers, some of them low-performers. Doesn't mean everyone is cheating.
Ironically, Ross Tucker, Steve Magness now think everyone is cheating when the sport is probably cleaner than it was in the 1990s. At that time--largely because of the state of the internet (no Twitter or blogs or even this website)--no one could start questioning people.
DavidEpsteinWasWrong wrote:
If Evan Jager--from flat, non-altitude, suburban Illinois--is that strong, it leads me to think (assuming Jager is clean) that a lot of other people can be clean too. Jager might have been able to win today. And he might win in four years. And we think he is clean. So why aren't the Kenyans clean too?
A few years ago--before everyone got caught up in the Salem Witch Trials of doping--the question was whether anyone born outside East Africa could compete in distance events. Jager, Rupp, Huddle, Simpson, Flanagan have answered that question. Not hard for me to believe that--if they are clean--many of the people who beat them are too.
Are some people cheating? Of course. Human nature. Walk into any high school math class around the world and a few kids are cheating. Some of them high-performers, some of them low-performers. Doesn't mean everyone is cheating.
Ironically, Ross Tucker, Steve Magness now think everyone is cheating when the sport is probably cleaner than it was in the 1990s. At that time--largely because of the state of the internet (no Twitter or blogs or even this website)--no one could start questioning people.
YOU think it's cleaner than the 90s. It has been illustrated by a reporter that the bio passport is easy to beat with microdosing. If anything seems too good to be true it probably is. If you want to believe AlSal's story that Rupp is clean well please go right ahead. Did you think Solinsky was clean? His injury was one that is very common among steroid users. He's American so there's no reason to believe that. The 800m WR is relatively new and the 1500m record is in jeopardy of being taken down (a record that people claim is doped) and the marathon record keeps getting lowered. How is this sport cleaner than the 90s? The only reason the 5000/10000 record is safe is because all the talent has gone to the marathon. Now we have a lovable "Brit" who was an alsoran who now cannot be beaten. What a great feel good story. Doesn't seem hard to believe. Kind of like British cycling. Froome out works everyone, cycling is clean now. You are naive sir.
D-Nice wrote:
Outstanding effort! Now if Evan would only lose the man bun...
Tweet from Emma Coburn:
https://twitter.com/emmajcoburn/status/765864950036389888Before warming up for my final I couldn't find a hair tie. Luckily, @EvanJager was there and came through with one for me. #truestory
Who are the 2 NBC commentators for this session?
The one guy with the British accent is a great commentator. NBC needs to utilize him. Great vocabulary and wording. Good passion for what's taking place. And he knows track strategy well and it's history and significance.
who is that wrote:
Who are the 2 NBC commentators for this session?
The one guy with the British accent is a great commentator. NBC needs to utilize him. Great vocabulary and wording. Good passion for what's taking place. And he knows track strategy well and it's history and significance.
serioulsy. The prime time NBC track announcers manage to suck every bit of drama out of the races. And the NBC microphones in teh stadium pick up zero crowd noise.
on the web feed the announcers are great and you can hear the crowd. 100x better.
So has anyone ever been clean? Snell running 1:44.3 on a grass track seems pretty dirty to me. And Walter George's 4:10 mile in 1886 really stinks.
El Keniano wrote:
Even at 34, Kemboi showed some fight, even though his kick has long left him.
Last year he still had it. Would have this year, too, if Kipruto and Jager wouldn't have wisely sucked it out of him.
OK, I guess I'm a little slow, but why isn't Yomif KEJELCHA in the 5000m?
The guy runs 13 low in May and he doesn't make the team? What am I missing?
I thought that he was the only real threat to Mo in the 5.
DavidEpsteinWasWrong wrote:
So has anyone ever been clean? Snell running 1:44.3 on a grass track seems pretty dirty to me. And Walter George's 4:10 mile in 1886 really stinks.
I'm just curious as to what has happened recently for you to think that the sport is cleaner? People are running faster than ever and Gatiln is running faster than his doped times. You're response is some smart ass remark about Snell. So again, I ask you, if people are breaking or coming close to breaking records that are thought to be doped, why do you think that the sport is cleaner now? Because Americans are in the mix? Yes of course people have been clean but again, a reporter of all people showed that he could easily beat his bio passport by micro dosing. You don't think that athletes can do that or are doing it?
north american wrote:
Vivalarepublica wrote:Another factor for the empty seats is that people from the richest countries probably don't want to spend thousands of dollars to travel to a hot, crowded, polluted, crime ridden, disease infested metro area. Yet another bonehead decision from the IOC.
Disagree with that. Rio is a tourist destination and now is probably the best time to come. I tried to visit Rio last summer. I was in South America for business and tried to take some personal days to go there, but an American getting a visa into Brasil was not easy. Basically, Brazil is irked that the US is so tight about security on foreigners entering the USA that they take it out on Americans traveling to Brazil by creating hassles with American visas into Brazil with fees and delays. Too many horror stories of Americans with plane tickets into Brazil that could never get their visa. I decided it wasn't worth the hassle. I imagine they lightened up on that for the games.
Hmm, interesting factor. I imagine they temporarily loosened those difficulties for the Games.
113 wrote:
Usually the Olympics run all prelims and some multies in the morning and all finals in the evening. Had Rio done that, no one in Europe would have been able to watch a single event final live and Euro TV prime time would probably have to run delayed coverage of the previous night, which very few would watch. They chose to split up the finals for TV, which has really effected attendance. It is what it is.
Hadn't thought of that, mixing the schedule for Europe.
I notice they didn't schedule the 100 for the morning, though.
JAKIR wrote:
DavidEpsteinWasWrong wrote:So has anyone ever been clean? Snell running 1:44.3 on a grass track seems pretty dirty to me. And Walter George's 4:10 mile in 1886 really stinks.
I'm just curious as to what has happened recently for you to think that the sport is cleaner? People are running faster than ever and Gatiln is running faster than his doped times. You're response is some smart ass remark about Snell. So again, I ask you, if people are breaking or coming close to breaking records that are thought to be doped, why do you think that the sport is cleaner now? Because Americans are in the mix? Yes of course people have been clean but again, a reporter of all people showed that he could easily beat his bio passport by micro dosing. You don't think that athletes can do that or are doing it?
Compare the number of sub 12:50s from 1994-2008 (i.e. the prime EPO years) to the number since then. And it wasn't just 1 or 2 athletes rack up the fast times. There was a half dozen. Some of that is how the races are run (I like Mo's chances to run say 12:48) but part of the reason he doesn't run a fast race is that there aren't 10+ guys running 12:55 5k every year.
Gatilin is running faster than his doped time. Do you think that is because he is training better or doping better?:)
I would hesistate to say the sport is cleaner. They are probably doping just as much but having to cut dosages down (i.e. get 5% from epo instead of 7%).
Any news on if Mead will get through on protest?
just announced on NBC that Mead was denied his appeal to advance to the 5,000 final. But the replay on his fall clearly shows Mo Farah drifting over into Mead's legs and taking him down. Mead was tripped up by Farah and should be allowed to compete. More dubious edicts with athletes getting the shaft.