Solomon suddenly world class and Rupp soloing 3.50 indoor miles - Come on Letsun, ask the questions!

re:

"Marco did ask Galen about his TUEs at the Olympics and reported to me that Galen said, "About my

personal medical record I do not talk." Does that mean Galen is doping? No."

Exactly, it means nothing.

Knowing Rupp, it means, "I heard about how much sht I got on that internet site for wearing an asthma mask, so there's no upside to talking openly about any of this stuff anymore."

That totally fits the Rupp I know.

Weldon:

"With this thread we are saying it is ok for people to post and discuss whether athlete X or Y is doping. It leads to a cleaner sport."

Complete delusion.

Your website, and these boards, have in NO WAY lead to a cleaner sport.

You and the anonymous peanut gallery, have absolutely ZERO effect on doping in the sport.

ZERO.

That's the real world answer, Weldon.

And the cost?

Your brand has absolutely ZERO credibility.

You were likely a Lance Armstrong defender, and even if you were not, you have your head too far up Salazar's rear to even see or think clearly.

Weldon,

You're so lame in your reasoning sometimes it is maddening.

Regarding Salazars:

http://law.duke.edu/sites/default/files/migrated_files/dl_file-sportscenter-salazar_4.pdf

What happened on the threads and posts about that paper; is that people claimed that that meant that Salazar was PRO doping.

And you idiots just let it stand. It was his way of saying that others are doping.

And he's damned right, testing back then is nowhere near where it is today.

AND, smart guy, while you were asking him that, why didn't you ask him if his athletes were doping?

If you REALLY believe what Simmonds said, then you'd ask the question.

Regarding Simmonds article:

Duh.

But, we are talking apples and oranges here.

America doesn't care about MLB, NBA, NFL etc., because they are being entertained.

Ben Johnson made them doubt sprinting.

That's about it.

What has happened here over the years is not an open conversation. It has overwhelmingly been focused on one guy and his coach.

Tell me this...if you had magical proof that Salazar's program is clean, insider knowledge, would you stop the smearing, and slander, and hatefest you've fueled for over half a decade?

Because that is what has really gone on here.

Let me make it even clearer for you.

Acceptable: Well reasoned and researched articles asking questions, presenting cases.

Acceptable: Asking direct questions of athletes and coaches.

Unacceptable: Supporting anonymous idiots misrepresenting quotes by coaches or athletes.

Unacceptable: Allowing anonymous idiots to post things like "I have it from a guy who got it from a guy who knows" which is what you have allowed endemically on these forums from day one.

Unacceptable: Allowing anonymous idiots to post outright lies and distortions, that you know are lies or distortions and then letting them stay on your boards. Lies and distortions don't come under your stated values of supporting "questions and speculation."

There is no defense for allowing lies to stay up.

This sounds like Lance Armstrong before he finally confessed. None of your b.s. means anything, A Duck, and the fact is that you deep down know it. Either that or you're really stupid and infatuated with your idols.

A Duck wrote:

Moronic wrote:

The anything it has to do with is you saying: "It's ridiculous to try and compare the two.", cycling and running(in the context of this thread), both endurance sports. Idiot.

You want to talk about who the idiot is?

You.

UCI flip-flopped on Bio Passports.

IAAF did not.

The comparison, you moron, is between UCI and IAAF.

If you had a brain in your head you would get that.

The two sports have nothing to do with each other IN AN INTELLIGENT AND FINAL ANALYSIS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT GOVERNING BODIES OVERSEEING THE TESTING.

"The two sports have nothing to do with each other..."

Cycling = Endurance - Running = Endurance

Get it?, idiot.

The problem Patrick White is that you don't get it. Rather than show your knowledge of Rupp's progression. Rather than list out the public knowledge of Salazar's training and approach...you just post accusations. And then deny it. And WTF is "I guess those guys are on lots of stuff."

Dude, you've let too many anonymous people fill you with bad info and bad faith.

Based on your approach and evidence, how would you like to be accused of a crime at work?

Classless act P wrote:

Moronic wrote:

"We're talking about Lance vs. Rupp"

Lance = endurance athlete - Rupp = endurance athlete.

Get it?, idiot.

Lance comes back from cancer and wins 7 TdFs at a time when people are coming out of the woodwork describing the drug issue in cycling (Festina & Voet, etc).

Rupp runs a time that he essentially ran last year.

Err, yes, so? What's that got to do with anything I've posted?

My initial post was: "Short term pain (hurt) for long term gain perhaps?

Look at cycling, where would it be now if the Paul Kimmage's of this world had been given more of an airing?"

Your response was: "It's ridiculous to try and compare the two."

My response was:

"Lance doesn't agree with you re doping, and he would know:

"...it's about ALL endurance sports."

"

Cycling = Endurance - Running = Endurance

Get it?, idiot.

Again,

Missing in all this was all your coverage of Rupp's training being changed 3+ years ago before he ran 3:57 at Dempsey.

I could repeat my self 20 times, the whole change and progression was talked about from the time he ran an 800 at Oregon till now.

Leave it to a Lojo to state half the history.

wejo wrote:

I do think someone should do an article on thyroid medication and its possible potential for abuse by athletes in light of Jos Hermen's comments at the Olympics. (Jos Hermens said to Dutch journalist Marco Knippen who translated the quotes into English and emailed them to me, "Science has triumphed over nature. Formally Farah and Rupp are doing nothing illegal. I rather just questioning if Farah during a doping control hands a laundry list of products specified, for which he apparently has a certificate." and "Within the environment knows almost everyone that it is used. Thyroid hormone affects all. I do not understand why it is not on the banned list.")

Doesn't matter which side of the fence you stand, this has got to raise a few eyebrows and prompt people to, rightly or wrongly, "ask the questions!".

You can trust it. I posted here a year or two ago that one reason Rupp is so good is that he genuinely loves running.

Alberto's interview a few days ago? He talks about how a key to it all is that Galen actually loves running.

A Duck wrote:

You can trust it. I posted here a year or two ago that one reason Rupp is so good is that he genuinely loves running.

Alberto's interview a few days ago? He talks about how a key to it all is that Galen actually loves running.

Well, this should end the thread. Galen loves running. Galen genuinely loves running. That should put to rest any suspicions about PEDs. Galen actually loves running. End of thread.

None of this matters in relation to Rupp/NOP etc.

It's been mentioned before that Nike loses money on track and field in the USA.

Duck,

What is wrong with you? You are way over-reacting.

Name calling is not hate crime or cyber bullying. It doesn't take much thought to tweak Galen's name, given his boyish appearance, but most people here can't give much thought.

As a matter of principle, Wejo and Rojo should not be censoring free speech. It's not nice to call people names, but this is a public forum -- people are not nice, especially when anonymous.

Zero Tolerance is the wrong answer for any problem. It never solved a problem, and always makes it worse.

Read the "rules". People who post are responsible and liable for what they say. Why do you hold Wejo and Rojo liable? The forum is largely unmoderated. Letsrun can delete what they want for any reason they want. It all in the "Terms and Conditions" everyone agrees to before they are allowed to post.

Wejo and Rojo do not owe Rupp and his family any apology.

Joansey; I am going to assume you haven't been around here very long.

These people are not my idols. Unlike anyone else on this board, I've spent considerable time with them in real life land.

Moronic wrote:

A Duck wrote:

You want to talk about who the idiot is?

You.

UCI flip-flopped on Bio Passports.

IAAF did not.

The comparison, you moron, is between UCI and IAAF.

If you had a brain in your head you would get that.

The two sports have nothing to do with each other IN AN INTELLIGENT AND FINAL ANALYSIS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIFFERENT GOVERNING BODIES OVERSEEING THE TESTING.

"The two sports have nothing to do with each other..."

Cycling = Endurance - Running = Endurance

Get it?, idiot.

So Usain Bolt is an Endurance Athlete?

You're an idiot.

In the context of this thread, not including governing bodies and the fact that UCI hesitated and flip flopped on Bio Passports when IAAF did not, is MORE RELEVANT.

Moronic wrote:

wejo wrote:

I do think someone should do an article on thyroid medication and its possible potential for abuse by athletes in light of Jos Hermen's comments at the Olympics. (Jos Hermens said to Dutch journalist Marco Knippen who translated the quotes into English and emailed them to me, "Science has triumphed over nature. Formally Farah and Rupp are doing nothing illegal. I rather just questioning if Farah during a doping control hands a laundry list of products specified, for which he apparently has a certificate." and "Within the environment knows almost everyone that it is used. Thyroid hormone affects all. I do not understand why it is not on the banned list.")

Doesn't matter which side of the fence you stand, this has got to raise a few eyebrows and prompt people to, rightly or wrongly, "ask the questions!".

Not possible for Jos Hermans to have been having SOUR GRAPES?

Marko Knippen's article was discussed to death when Wejo tried to make hey with it after the Olympics.

Go look at the 2006 thread where Wejo got all excited when he was going to Hang Jos Herman's in the Spanish doping case that was breaking.

Free speech doesn't cover slander.

Behavior that has been permitted here, would never be permitted pre Internet.

You're not taking the context of how small this sport is in the USA.

There is indeed a real reason you don't see elite athletes contributing to these forums.