The REASON LeBron James can never be GOAT

Kcuee · 2026-05-05T21:14:18-04:00

LeBron cares way more about individual stats. I just saw it again. End of first quarter tonight. LeBron dribbled out the clock and then heaved a full court shot after time expired. He knew what he was doing. He didn’t want the missed FG in his stat line. The GOAT wouldn’t care about that.

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1 week ago 05/24/2026 10:54am EDT

re: Jordan Rules

Jordan Rules wrote:
Michael Jordan was a...
Better scorer
Better clutch player
Better offensive rebounder
Better perimeter defender
Better ball handler and protector
More valuable player
More durable player (played 80+games in a season more times than LeBron)
More ruthless competitor
Played in a 10x more physical league
...
Jordan had a higher peak
Jordan has more championships
Jordan has more regular season MVP awards
Jordan has more Finals MVP awards
Jordan has more Defensive Player of the Year recognition
Jordan has more All-Defensive Team selections
Jordan has more scoring titles
Jordan has more steals titles
Jordan has more points/game
Jordan has more steals/game
Jordan has more blocks/game
Jordan has more offensive rebounds/game
Jordan has a higher free throw %
Jordan has a higher Player Efficiency Rating
Jordan has more Win Shares per 48 Minutes
Jordan has a higher Offensive Box Plus/Minus
Jordan has a higher Defensive Box Plus/Minus
Jordan has a higher Box Plus/Minus
Jordan is the most valuable player. The MVP trophy is literally named after him.
Jordan destroyed his competitors. LeBron joined his competitors' teams.

Just cherry picking one thing cause you're naming stats without context behind it. How in the world is he more clutch?

Would love to hear your argument

1 week ago 05/24/2026 11:01am EDT

re: Jordan Rules

Jordan Rules wrote:
Beemer wrote:
I conceded that Jordan would have a Norman Powell-esque type career if he played today. I think I was overly generous, no?
Guys are much more skilled today. Magic and Penny were unicorns in the 90s because the were “huge” guards who brought the ball up the court and ran the point. “How can they do that? They should be playing down low!!!” Now you have 7 footers with the skills to do that and run the offense through them. I’d wager there are at least a dozen 7 footers in the league now that shoot the 3 better than Jordan did.
The game has passed you and Jordan by. He couldn’t hang with today’s skilled athletes.
lol you think jacking up 3 pointers is a skill

Making a higher percentage sure is. lol.

A dozen or more 7 footers shoot 3s better than Jordan.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 11:04am EDT

re: Heartlessss

Heartlessss wrote:
walk walk walk wrote:
Carrying the ball. Walking with the ball. Rinse and repeat. It's cheating, period. MIC DROP
…while ALSO not allowing any physical defense. Pathetic. It’d be great to see the shock of today’s players being dropped into an 80s/90s game. LOL!
The FACT that 3s have become 40%+ of the game is flat out DISGUSTING. F whoever thought turning the game into “NBA Jam” was a positive thing.
Then again, most businesses are indeed after the MASSIVE, casual fan, “ignorant moron” demographic (all industries- soda/pop/snacks, energy drinks, beer, fast food, athletic apparel, video games, etc., etc.)… so what else should we expect?

The game has passed you and Jordan by. Jordan couldn’t keep up with today’s ball movement and the athleticism and skill of today’s players.

He would have a Norman Powell type career though. Not bad.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 11:21am EDT

re: Heartlessss

Heartlessss wrote:
Look at how 3-point FGA has grown since its inception in 1980. 37 3s per game now??!! LOL!! The 3-point shooting percentage really hasn’t improved much at all though (always hovers somewhere around 35% since the mid-90s….. despite defense being intentionally removed from the game).
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They take 40 3s a game because of math. I guess modern players are stupid because they can do addition...

The reality is that in the 90s, NOBODY could shoot. They had to move the 3 point line because people were so bad at shooting in the 90s. Nobody contested shots, nobody was even guarding the perimeter.

I hate how dudes think they know what they're talking about, but haven't watched a second of basketball from the 90s. Nobody was guarding Dirk from 3 in the 2000s either. Y'all were TRASH. Watch the game......

Nowadays, players are getting blocked on the perimeter constantly (you can't find one clip of that from the 90s). Jaden McDaniels is sliding around multiple screens and still contesting shots. It's not the same game of basketball. It's not even close. The level of defense in the modern NBA is 5x better than ever before. Wemby would have 30 blocks a game in the 90s. Gobert is bigger, stronger (7'1,260) and smarter than every single DOPY in the history of the sport. It's not close, there is no battle.

Modern players like Cooper Flagg/Cam Boozer have been flying across the country playing against the best players in the US/World since they were 13. They've been grinding for years. Nobody in the 90s did that, nobody gave a fck. It's so obvious that you clowns have zero understanding of the game of basketball or any understanding on how to be good at anything. MJ doesn't have magical powers, he's not more talented than anyone else. Being good at things is about learning, it's not about talent/genetics/etc. Modern players are 10x better than their peers because they learned from their mistakes and improved upon them. It's evolution, and it's a part of every process on our planet, it's why we don't all die at 16 years old from listeria. Keep living in your bubble, keep pretending reality and truth are inconsequential. Maybe you to can die from a curable disease because you didn't want to be wrong.

This post was edited 2 minutes after it was posted.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 11:45am EDT

re: Beemer

Beemer wrote:
Heartlessss wrote:
…while ALSO not allowing any physical defense. Pathetic. It’d be great to see the shock of today’s players being dropped into an 80s/90s game. LOL!
The FACT that 3s have become 40%+ of the game is flat out DISGUSTING. F whoever thought turning the game into “NBA Jam” was a positive thing.
Then again, most businesses are indeed after the MASSIVE, casual fan, “ignorant moron” demographic (all industries- soda/pop/snacks, energy drinks, beer, fast food, athletic apparel, video games, etc., etc.)… so what else should we expect?
The game has passed you and Jordan by. Jordan couldn’t keep up with today’s ball movement and the athleticism and skill of today’s players.
He would have a Norman Powell type career though. Not bad.

False. You clearly don't know what Michael Jordan did as a basketball player.

James? Walk, walk, walk, carry, carry, carry, cry for a foul, cry for a foul, cry for a foul. Overrated player, probably the most overrated player to carry the ball.

Dribble? What's that?

1 week ago 05/24/2026 1:20pm EDT

re: Jordan Rules

Jordan Rules wrote:
Beemer wrote:
I conceded that Jordan would have a Norman Powell-esque type career if he played today. I think I was overly generous, no?
Guys are much more skilled today. Magic and Penny were unicorns in the 90s because the were “huge” guards who brought the ball up the court and ran the point. “How can they do that? They should be playing down low!!!” Now you have 7 footers with the skills to do that and run the offense through them. I’d wager there are at least a dozen 7 footers in the league now that shoot the 3 better than Jordan did.
The game has passed you and Jordan by. He couldn’t hang with today’s skilled athletes.
lol you think jacking up 3 pointers is a skill

Nice self-own

1 week ago 05/24/2026 1:31pm EDT

re: Kcuee

lebron used his talents to get his son in the league, a below average college player. Shame..... I don't remember Jordan doing this with his kids. Seems like only yesterday, March 2024, lebron stormed off the court with 3:56 left in the game because they were losing. Shame. Sore Loser.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 2:07pm EDT

re: Masked Off

Masked Off wrote:
lebron used his talents to get his son in the league, a below average college player. Shame..... I don't remember Jordan doing this with his kids.

Jordan couldn’t do it because it’s a GOAT-only move.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 2:20pm EDT

re: Masked Off

Masked Off wrote:
lebron used his talents to get his son in the league, a below average college player. Shame..... I don't remember Jordan doing this with his kids. Seems like only yesterday, March 2024, lebron stormed off the court with 3:56 left in the game because they were losing. Shame. Sore Loser.

So you’re telling me that LeBron is so good that even at 41 a team wants him so badly they are willing to roster his son?

1 week ago 05/24/2026 2:41pm EDT

re: Beemer

Beemer wrote:
Masked Off wrote:
lebron used his talents to get his son in the league, a below average college player. Shame..... I don't remember Jordan doing this with his kids.
Jordan couldn’t do it because it’s a GOAT-only move.

Sure, GOAT at walking, carrying and flopping.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 2:55pm EDT

re: walk walk walk

A philosophical approach to the Jordan v. LeBron debate:

Given the choice, do you think Jordan would rather have his career accomplishments or LeBron’s?

Given the choice, do you think LeBron would rather have his career accomplishments or Jordan’s?

We all know the answer to the first question. I would be intrigued to know LeBron’s true, private answer to the second question.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 3:31pm EDT

re: The Stone Cutter

The Stone Cutter wrote:
A philosophical approach to the Jordan v. LeBron debate:
Given the choice, do you think Jordan would rather have his career accomplishments or LeBron’s?
Given the choice, do you think LeBron would rather have his career accomplishments or Jordan’s?
We all know the answer to the first question. I would be intrigued to know LeBron’s true, private answer to the second question.

He's not the GOAT, just a rule breaker with a large ego. He doesn't actually dribble but maybe 10% of his time on the court. He's a cheater, period. Walk, Carry, Flop....rinse and repeat.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 3:33pm EDT

re: seare

seare wrote:
Masked Off wrote:
lebron used his talents to get his son in the league, a below average college player. Shame..... I don't remember Jordan doing this with his kids. Seems like only yesterday, March 2024, lebron stormed off the court with 3:56 left in the game because they were losing. Shame. Sore Loser.
So you’re telling me that LeBron is so good that even at 41 a team wants him so badly they are willing to roster his son?

Now that’s GOAT status.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 3:56pm EDT

re: westsouthrunner

westsouthrunner wrote:
Jordan Rules wrote:
Michael Jordan was a...
Better scorer
Better clutch player
Better offensive rebounder
Better perimeter defender
Better ball handler and protector
More valuable player
More durable player (played 80+games in a season more times than LeBron)
More ruthless competitor
Played in a 10x more physical league
...
Jordan had a higher peak
Jordan has more championships
Jordan has more regular season MVP awards
Jordan has more Finals MVP awards
Jordan has more Defensive Player of the Year recognition
Jordan has more All-Defensive Team selections
Jordan has more scoring titles
Jordan has more steals titles
Jordan has more points/game
Jordan has more steals/game
Jordan has more blocks/game
Jordan has more offensive rebounds/game
Jordan has a higher free throw %
Jordan has a higher Player Efficiency Rating
Jordan has more Win Shares per 48 Minutes
Jordan has a higher Offensive Box Plus/Minus
Jordan has a higher Defensive Box Plus/Minus
Jordan has a higher Box Plus/Minus
Jordan is the most valuable player. The MVP trophy is literally named after him.
Jordan destroyed his competitors. LeBron joined his competitors' teams.
Just cherry picking one thing cause you're naming stats without context behind it. How in the world is he more clutch?
Would love to hear your argument

In the final 24 seconds of one-possession NBA Finals games (the most clutch situation there is), Jordan made 4 shots to tie the game or take the lead. LeBron never made any.

The most iconic shot of Jordan's career was him making the game-winner to clinch his 6th championship.

The most iconic shot of LeBron's career was Kyrie Irving making the game-winner to beat Golden State for the championship while LeBron stood still in the corner.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 3:59pm EDT

re: Beemer

Beemer wrote:
Jordan Rules wrote:
lol you think jacking up 3 pointers is a skill
Making a higher percentage sure is. lol.
A dozen or more 7 footers shoot 3s better than Jordan.

Jordan didn't need to jack up a bunch of 3 pointers because he had other ways he could score. Playing in an era where it was more difficult to score, Jordan has the highest career scoring average of all time.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 4:26pm EDT

re: DevonDixonFan

DevonDixonFan wrote:
They take 40 3s a game because of math. I guess modern players are stupid because they can do addition...
The reality is that in the 90s, NOBODY could shoot. They had to move the 3 point line because people were so bad at shooting in the 90s. Nobody contested shots, nobody was even guarding the perimeter.
I hate how dudes think they know what they're talking about, but haven't watched a second of basketball from the 90s. Nobody was guarding Dirk from 3 in the 2000s either. Y'all were TRASH. Watch the game......
Nowadays, players are getting blocked on the perimeter constantly (you can't find one clip of that from the 90s). Jaden McDaniels is sliding around multiple screens and still contesting shots. It's not the same game of basketball. It's not even close. The level of defense in the modern NBA is 5x better than ever before. Wemby would have 30 blocks a game in the 90s. Gobert is bigger, stronger (7'1,260) and smarter than every single DOPY in the history of the sport. It's not close, there is no battle.
Modern players like Cooper Flagg/Cam Boozer have been flying across the country playing against the best players in the US/World since they were 13. They've been grinding for years. Nobody in the 90s did that, nobody gave a fck. It's so obvious that you clowns have zero understanding of the game of basketball or any understanding on how to be good at anything. MJ doesn't have magical powers, he's not more talented than anyone else. Being good at things is about learning, it's not about talent/genetics/etc. Modern players are 10x better than their peers because they learned from their mistakes and improved upon them. It's evolution, and it's a part of every process on our planet, it's why we don't all die at 16 years old from listeria. Keep living in your bubble, keep pretending reality and truth are inconsequential. Maybe you to can die from a curable disease because you didn't want to be wrong.

Really? "NOBODY" could shoot in the 90s?? How about

Steve Kerr
Hubert Davis
Tim Legler
BJ Armstrong
Dana Barros
Dale Ellis
Jeff Hornacek
Mark Price
Allan Houston
Dell Curry
Glen Rice
Kenny Smith
Reggie Miller
Mitch Richmond
Chris Mullin
Dennis Scott
Dan Majerle
Terry Porter
Hersey Hawkins
Joe Dumars

You should take your own advice and watch 1990s games.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 4:38pm EDT

re: Jordan Rules

Jordan Rules wrote:
Beemer wrote:
Making a higher percentage sure is. lol.
A dozen or more 7 footers shoot 3s better than Jordan.
Jordan didn't need to jack up a bunch of 3 pointers because he had other ways he could score. Playing in an era where it was more difficult to score, Jordan has the highest career scoring average of all time.

Claiming 3 point shooting is not a skill is an indictment on your opinions.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 4:55pm EDT

re: Jordan Rules

Jordan Rules wrote:
westsouthrunner wrote:
Just cherry picking one thing cause you're naming stats without context behind it. How in the world is he more clutch?
Would love to hear your argument
In the final 24 seconds of one-possession NBA Finals games (the most clutch situation there is), Jordan made 4 shots to tie the game or take the lead. LeBron never made any.
The most iconic shot of Jordan's career was him making the game-winner to clinch his 6th championship.
The most iconic shot of LeBron's career was Kyrie Irving making the game-winner to beat Golden State for the championship while LeBron stood still in the corner.

Didn’t Lebron make a 3 Pointer before Irving? Didn’t Lebron block a shot by Iguodala to prevent the tie? Didn’t Lebron get fouled and make a free throw shot? Didn’t LeBron make the most points on his team in Game 7? Cringe takes lol.

1 week ago 05/24/2026 5:08pm EDT

re: snowflakes

snowflakes wrote:
Jordan Rules wrote:
In the final 24 seconds of one-possession NBA Finals games (the most clutch situation there is), Jordan made 4 shots to tie the game or take the lead. LeBron never made any.
The most iconic shot of Jordan's career was him making the game-winner to clinch his 6th championship.
The most iconic shot of LeBron's career was Kyrie Irving making the game-winner to beat Golden State for the championship while LeBron stood still in the corner.
Didn’t Lebron make a 3 Pointer before Irving? Didn’t Lebron block a shot by Iguodala to prevent the tie? Didn’t Lebron get fouled and make a free throw shot? Didn’t LeBron make the most points on his team in Game 7? Cringe takes lol.

LeBron missed 4 shots in a row before Kyrie. The block preserved the tie (and was a great block). LeBron shot only 9 for 24 in the game. When the team needed a bucket the most to win the championship, the ball was in Kyrie's hands. He made the championship-winning shot unassisted while LeBron stood in the corner.

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