You forgot about that race when Snell lost to his 5 year old daughter while running around their back garden ... That one would have really cemented your argument.
Laughable comment.
Your friend claims his god is almost unbeaten (something like Balas, Moses, Lewis LJ). That's completely wrong. To clarify something like this with him takes days or even weeks.
You also prefer wrong Infos over correct ones like Army?
I didn't say Snell never lost. You're obsession is that he had a bunch of losses in "smaller" events in his career. So what. What does your nitpicking prove about him?
None of them (outside the E Bloc) that were know of in '64 were doping. Now at least 1 in 2 at the top are. That is "sponsored professionals" for you.
Still, my point stands. Where were the Africans in 1964?
Competing in Tokyo - Keino and Kiprugut were there. But if there's no running before Africans then you might as well wipe everything from the books before 1964.
But now we know that if Africans are competing there sure as hell are dopers in the race. Kenya is a disgrace.
Your friend claims his god is almost unbeaten (something like Balas, Moses, Lewis LJ). That's completely wrong. To clarify something like this with him takes days or even weeks.
You also prefer wrong Infos over correct ones like Army?
Still, my point stands. Where were the Africans in 1964?
Competing in Tokyo - Keino and Kiprugut were there. But if there's no running before Africans then you might as well wipe everything from the books before 1964.
Still, my point stands. Where were the Africans in 1964?
They were behind him u doofu5
2. Crothers, W. CAN 1:45.6
3. Kiprugut, W KEN 1:45.9
4. Kerr, G JAM 1:45.9
Let me explain that to you in simple terms... Where were the Africans at the level of participation and training methods they only had access to much later than the "Westerners"?
Let me explain that to you in simple terms... Where were the Africans at the level of participation and training methods they only had access to much later than the "Westerners"?
I would say they were probably hanging around with Keino, Kiplagut, Bikila, Wolde, maybe Temu and Kogo.
Your friend claims his god is almost unbeaten (something like Balas, Moses, Lewis LJ). That's completely wrong. To clarify something like this with him takes days or even weeks.
You also prefer wrong Infos over correct ones like Army?
I didn't say Snell never lost. You're obsession is that he had a bunch of losses in "smaller" events in his career. So what. What does your nitpicking prove about him?
I haven't said that you have said...
As always, 90% of any "conversation" with you is to clarify what has been said (often without any success).
It proves two things:
1) Snell lost over 15 (mostly international) races during his career. None of them at a big championship.
2) You are unable to think logically and you are extremely dishonest.
Let me explain that to you in simple terms... Where were the Africans at the level of participation and training methods they only had access to much later than the "Westerners"?
This is a silly argument. Where were the Jakobs, Kerrs, Hockers, Wightmans, Laroses, Myerses when Africans were winning everything in the 1,500m?
What should be done is wipe out the period from the introducion of EPO around 1989 to the introduction of testing in Kenya in 2016 (maybe 2021 as testing was still abysmal and corrupt until then).
He never lost over the distance till his off-form farewell tour in '65. He hadn't raced the distance before his victory in Tokyo. But why does this agitate you so much? Nitpicking is your thing?
I didn't say Snell never lost. You're obsession is that he had a bunch of losses in "smaller" events in his career. So what. What does your nitpicking prove about him?
I haven't said that you have said...
As always, 90% of any "conversation" with you is to clarify what has been said (often without any success).
It proves two things:
1) Snell lost over 15 (mostly international) races during his career. None of them at a big championship.
2) You are unable to think logically and you are extremely dishonest.
But what has been the reason for your obsessive focus on what you admit were a handful of minor losses in his career? You are just trying to prove you're the biggest know-all on these boards? You've succeeded.
Let me explain that to you in simple terms... Where were the Africans at the level of participation and training methods they only had access to much later than the "Westerners"?
This is a silly argument. Where were the Jakobs, Kerrs, Hockers, Wightmans, Laroses, Myerses when Africans were winning everything in the 1,500m?
What should be done is wipe out the period from the introducion of EPO around 1989 to the introduction of testing in Kenya in 2016 (maybe 2021 as testing was still abysmal and corrupt until then).
Kenyans have been doping since they virtually took over the sport. Their cheating wasn't invented by this generation.
I asked the new ChatGPT o3 model to give a detailed analysis of the differences tech have made to times in the 800/1500, focusing on shoes and track surfaces, and using Peter Snell's 1962 WR on grass as an example to highlight. It came up with an impressive report detailing all its calculations and sources (it even shows how it is thinking in realtime, and it mentioned LetsRun but dismissed it as containing mostly personal anecdotes!). Here is the conclusion it gave:
So what might “1962‑vintage Snell” run today? Give him: Monaco or Tokyo track (2 % gain) Carbon‑plate PEBA spikes (2 % gain) Wave‑light pacing & Rabbits (≈ 0.3‑0.5 %¹ – not counted above) …and the mid‑range projection is ~1 :41.0 for 800 m and ~3 :31 for 1500 m. On a perfect night—calm 22 °C, competition like Wanyonyi or Arop towing him—he could realistically dip to ~1 :40‑high / 3 :29‑low. Bottom line: after subtracting the grass and 1960s spikes, Snell’s raw engine still converts to times competitive with the very best of 2025. The records have edged forward, but not by a chasm—the technology accounts for roughly half the gap. ¹ Wave‑light pacing studies show ~0.2‑0.4 s over 1500 m; negligible in 800 m but psychologically helpful.
I didn't say Snell never lost. You're obsession is that he had a bunch of losses in "smaller" events in his career. So what. What does your nitpicking prove about him?
I haven't said that you have said...
As always, 90% of any "conversation" with you is to clarify what has been said (often without any success).
It proves two things:
1) Snell lost over 15 (mostly international) races during his career. None of them at a big championship.
2) You are unable to think logically and you are extremely dishonest.
You've basically outlined the most important point in your post without seeming to realize it. I guess that this is because you struggle with applying common sense to your arguments because you get lost in trying to prove that you are right about some obscure point.
As always, 90% of any "conversation" with you is to clarify what has been said (often without any success).
It proves two things:
1) Snell lost over 15 (mostly international) races during his career. None of them at a big championship.
2) You are unable to think logically and you are extremely dishonest.
You've basically outlined the most important point in your post without seeming to realize it. I guess that this is because you struggle with applying common sense to your arguments because you get lost in trying to prove that you are right about some obscure point.
The obscure point, which he became lost in (along with others here), is that Snell's few losses were in minor races (apart from the last month of his career, with his off-form farewell tour). That is why his standing as one of the greats is undiminished. His losses were irrelevant against his championship and match-race record. In that regard he stands in stark contrast to a modern-day "hero" like Ingebrigtsen.