See? Typical NPD insult. You have never seen me so why would you say that? Silly man. But you have written here that you are ugly. Well... Guess it's you projecting again.
What you didn't seem to notice in an earlier comment was the following observation about you.
".. you also don't see how narcissistic of you it is to engage in protracted personal exchanges with another poster as though other posters and readers share your obsession with the object of your ire and wish to read that unremitting nonsense."
Why is the criteria for not losing a certain amount of global finals, dominating the opposition and running world record times different for different events?
We know the answer, because you're arguing that Jakob can't be an all time great in the 5000 because he's 20th all time, but you don't think that applies to Farah who's outside of the top 50.
Round and round your mulberry bush. Farah has global titles in the 5k that Ingebrigtsen will never have. That overrules everything else in the comparison. He also doesn't make it to the all-time greats in the 1500/mile because he keeps losing and doesn't have the records over the distance.
You didn't answer the question, why would your criteria be different for different distances and how does Mo Farah qualify as an all time great with your criteria when he went 12 years without a global title and is nowhere near the world records?
Then feel free to explain why his 5000m supremacy is BS when he hasn't lost a single 5000m final he's entered since competing as a senior.
It’s only bs because posters (and you) are claiming something here that we cannot know. Yes, he might be supreme, but he might also be a 3.26/7.17 guy with a 12.42 capability that is supported by hot temperatures in the champs (that he tackles better than most, and that reduces the 5000m to a much more 1500m alike event) and that his best competitors haven’t been in peak shape. (Not even winning the lesser medals). But again -you might be right (as a fan I hope so) but we don’t know before he meets the best in peak shape, or runs really fast. And WA ranked him #2 in the world in 2024….
So let's get this straight, you're arguing that rather than Jakob being good, it's equally likely that a white man from Norway handles heat better than runners from sub Saharan Africa, and not a single one of his competitors have managed to peak for the most important race of the season, spanning multiple seasons?
What drugs are you on? I need to try them for myself.
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It’s only bs because posters (and you) are claiming something here that we cannot know. Yes, he might be supreme, but he might also be a 3.26/7.17 guy with a 12.42 capability that is supported by hot temperatures in the champs (that he tackles better than most, and that reduces the 5000m to a much more 1500m alike event) and that his best competitors haven’t been in peak shape. (Not even winning the lesser medals). But again -you might be right (as a fan I hope so) but we don’t know before he meets the best in peak shape, or runs really fast. And WA ranked him #2 in the world in 2024….
So let's get this straight, you're arguing that rather than Jakob being good, it's equally likely that a white man from Norway handles heat better than runners from sub Saharan Africa, and not a single one of his competitors have managed to peak for the most important race of the season, spanning multiple seasons?
What drugs are you on? I need to try them for myself.
Its just reasonable to assume that no one of world best have been able to perform close to their best the last two world championships and the last olympics. Its highly unreasonable to assume that Jakob is good in the 5000 at this stage after only three global wins. We simply cant know. Jakob would have to win two more WC and another olympic games before we get some indications. (Let me stress: some indications).
So let's get this straight, you're arguing that rather than Jakob being good, it's equally likely that a white man from Norway handles heat better than runners from sub Saharan Africa, and not a single one of his competitors have managed to peak for the most important race of the season, spanning multiple seasons?
What drugs are you on? I need to try them for myself.
Its just reasonable to assume that no one of world best have been able to perform close to their best the last two world championships and the last olympics. Its highly unreasonable to assume that Jakob is good in the 5000 at this stage after only three global wins. We simply cant know. Jakob would have to win two more WC and another olympic games before we get some indications. (Let me stress: some indications).
I dunno about our dear friends above but I'd argue having the ability to be at your best for the most important races of the season, rather than peaking for pointless time trials, is a pretty important part of being a good runner.
I dunno about our dear friends above but I'd argue having the ability to be at your best for the most important races of the season, rather than peaking for pointless time trials, is a pretty important part of being a good runner.
You know those one-two combos that have made many a boy a boxing champion?
You start with a jab to get a feel of your opponent, scope out the distance:
When Jakob win silver, gold amounts to everything.
Then as soon as you have established contact you throw the cross with fullforce:
When Jakob win gold, gold amounts to nothing.
One-two. How can you beat that? You cant. Jakob is as good as an unmerited runner.
So let's get this straight, you're arguing that rather than Jakob being good, it's equally likely that a white man from Norway handles heat better than runners from sub Saharan Africa, and not a single one of his competitors have managed to peak for the most important race of the season, spanning multiple seasons?
What drugs are you on? I need to try them for myself.
Its just reasonable to assume that no one of world best have been able to perform close to their best the last two world championships and the last olympics. Its highly unreasonable to assume that Jakob is good in the 5000 at this stage after only three global wins. We simply cant know. Jakob would have to win two more WC and another olympic games before we get some indications. (Let me stress: some indications).
I think that take is highly unreasonable.
As for what you wrote in your first sentence, I agree with Koltrast. Jakob's season seems to be extremely well planned with a peak at the right moment. The Ingebrigtsens had plenty of opportunity to learn how to do this, first with Henrik, later with Filip, and for years now with Jakob. Most of the other super fast runners are running super fast time trials, going through a tough national trials (see Ethiopia), and many run the 10,000m before the 5,000m.
So let's get this straight, you're arguing that rather than Jakob being good, it's equally likely that a white man from Norway handles heat better than runners from sub Saharan Africa, and not a single one of his competitors have managed to peak for the most important race of the season, spanning multiple seasons?
What drugs are you on? I need to try them for myself.
The Devil is in the details: You have to analyse each athlete independently of home continent, and also listen to what these themselves are saying about how they function in hot weather.
Examples: Narve Nordås, George Beamish, Morgan McDonald, Karoline Grøvdal and a lot of others have repeatedly claimed that they are almost without any chance in the distance events (not the 1500m) when it’s extremely hot. And their performances also show that they don’t lie… So to the Africans: I knew f.x that Kejelcha would underperform in the 3000m Silesia race, because I have a hard time to find a good champs race by him when it’s hot (and it’s almost always hot in the champs). The one good I can find is symptomatic: His silver in the WC 2019 10000m -in a Doha stadium with a strong cooling machinery….
Aregawi, Kiplimo, Fisher and Cheptegei seem to be like Jakob: Very good even in hot/humid weather conditions, so when Jakob beats those athletes the reason isn’t the heat.
Yes, not a single of Jakob’s most credited competitors has managed to peak in the important races against Jakob. -This is very easy to document: Cheptegei, Aregawi, Gebrhiwet, Fisher, Kejelcha etc have all been beaten by slow athletes in these races, in addition to being crushed by Jakob. And this as a clear contrast to for instance the Paris OG 10000m, where Cheptegei expectedly is followed by the very good Aregawi and Fisher on the podium. And again: the Devil is in the details. -It’s not hard at all to find the reasons why the athletes Jakob met in the 5000m champs weren’t in peak shape, although these reasons are complex and multifaceted. I have listed some of these reasons in multiple post in other threads that I know you have read, so I won’t repeat them here, but only confront your new argument that hot weather resistance solely is continental and not individual… (Among the women Gidey seems to be an African that suffer in hot weather, but I haven’t analysed her properly enough to be totally sure).
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Its just reasonable to assume that no one of world best have been able to perform close to their best the last two world championships and the last olympics. Its highly unreasonable to assume that Jakob is good in the 5000 at this stage after only three global wins. We simply cant know. Jakob would have to win two more WC and another olympic games before we get some indications. (Let me stress: some indications).
I think you are ironic. But I will give you this: Yes, normally an athlete who wins three global 5000m champs (and also the loaded Florence race in 2021) will have met at least some of his closest competitors when they were in peak shape. But I have argued for why this isn’t the case here…
I dunno about our dear friends above but I'd argue having the ability to be at your best for the most important races of the season, rather than peaking for pointless time trials, is a pretty important part of being a good runner.
Both Jakob and Cheptegei have been good runners for a number of reasons: Peaking in champs, time trails, good racing abilities. But both have also screwed up, and the Ugandan more in the 5000m than in the 10000m, simply (but not only) because doubling up gives you heavy legs when the 10000m comes first (as Fisher told in an interview). Cheptegei has clearly never been anywhere near his best the times he has met Jakob in the 5000m.
The criteria I use is what has set the "greats" apart from others in their respective events. I put several other runners historically ahead of him in the 1500/mile but I am not interested in getting into a debate about what constitutes "all-time greats" and who they are. That is another thread. Suffice to say, I don't think he makes the list.
OK, now no. 2.
Now you sre using different criteria, that's good. But he still can't give any list.
He don't make the list? How long is this list which you can't give?
Without any doubt he already is in the top 10. 8? 7? Who is ahead of him?
I am not interested in your questions. I don't believe Ingebrigtsen is amongst the all-time greats for the 1500/mile. I have said why. You can choose to believe otherwise but I won't agree.
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