Why do Christians believe you go to hell if you don't accept Jesus?

Whatever moral code I do or do not follow has no bearing on an abstract argument. It wouldn't change the nature of the argument if I followed utilitarian principles, humanistic principles, Christian principles, or anything else.

I never made the claim that I follow an objective moral code or that one even exists. All I'm interested in knowing is whether you or anyone else can explain how any moral code can be anything but subjective absent a higher power. I'm perfectly happy to accept that it is not possible, so people just have to do the best they can to construct an approximation of what seems to keep society functioning with the least amount of conflict.

You are misguided the Mormons are all going to Sheol I’m sorry. I feel for all the BYU guys because they have been led astray by a cult that is rather the antichrist. There is no 3rd book of the bible

Well the angels were never created. They always existed from no beginning in time and space to no ending in time and space! It’s called Eternal Entities.

they have no beginnings and no endings. Just as your soul lasts forever. You are immortal mi hombre!l 😇🥹

Those Spanish missionaries in the Americas said, “hola, have you heard the good news? Oh, we won’t force this on you at all if you want to keep worshiping your other gods.”

Those Spanish missionaries were over a THOUSAND years after the religion started.

I'm talking about the birth of the religion. Christianity was entirely peaceful in the beginning.

Islam has been violent and involuntary from it's very outset.

And the cartoon version of the Spanish missionaries you and your fellow lefties have invented has almost nothing in common with the actual truth.

I don't entirely recollect, but I think David threw a rock at him, maybe with a sling. A slung rock can knock out any giant. Not so hard to believe

Stop denying science.

Do you think the laws of physics are imaginary?

I welcome you to pick out any 12 year old boy and let him throw a rock at your face as hard as he can and see what happens.

Slingers were in countless armies throughout antiquity. Is it even remotely possible in your mind that this weapon was used in all these armies for centuries because it was an effective weapon?

It became the official religion of the Roman Empire. People converted for the benefits that being with the official religion of the empire conferred.

When Pizarro and Friar Valverde met with Incan leader Atahualpa, Valverde handed him his Roman Breviary. Atahualpa, never having seen a book and not understanding its significance, threw it to the floor. Valverde then gave the signal for the Spanish to attack and Atahualpa was quickly captured. In a joke of a trial, Atahualpa was convicted of idolatry and was sentenced to death. He was offered a commutation of his death sentence if he converted to Catholicism.

Is this the peaceful friendliness that spread Christianity? If you want to be a Christian, that’s fine and I respect your right to do whatever you want with yourself. But don’t ignore the history of how it got to where it is today.

It became the official religion of Rome in the 4th century...

It's almost like something happened in the 300 years before that that made it possible for the Roman Empire to make it the official religion...

The actions of the Spanish 1500 years later aren't relevant to the birth of the religion.

You can't be this slow.

^^^^^^

His dumbest statement ever? Has any Pope, Christian apologetic, or even the most zealous American Evangelical preachers ever said anything this whacked? Did Martin Luther ever even say anything this whacked?

I don't know, man. There were a lot of witnesses to the golden plates that were translated into the Book of Mormon. Twelve (12), I believe. And an angel (Moroni). You calling them all liars? Angel Moroni still has the golden plates stashed somewhere.

I can't tell how serious you are, but you are mostly wrong. The word "hel" was a word used in Scandanavia for sure, but it had cognates in several Germanic and other languages as well, including Old English.

The Old English version of "Hel" was used to denote an underworld instead of the deity used in Norse. The common modern English word "hell" is derived from the Old English "hel'' as the English translation of the Greek word for hell used in the New Testament, which is the word " gehenna". Gehenna itself is derived from the Hebrew word Ge Hennom. This was the word that the Hebrews named for a valley outside of Jerusalem which was used as a trash heap. In the gospels, Jesus uses this or some variation of this word, or he preached the likely Aramaic equivalent of it, to describe what we think of as the place of the damned, or as we say in English, Hell.

So your first sentence about the first Christians not believing in hell, I'm sorry, but that is wrong. They absolutely believed in hell from the very beginning. You've been misinformed. This is a case of an attempt to explain a Christian theological idea by way of a pagan influence, when a simple Etymology study will show that there is no pagan influence here.

Because you're stupid you don't understand anything.

Where was the violence from the death of Christ to 313 AD?

Now compare that to how Islam behaved in it's first 300 years.

You can’t be serious.

Christians made up around 10% of the population of the Roman Empire in 300. Emperor Constantine became a Christian in 312. By 350, more than half the Empire was made up of Christians.

This isn’t a difficult line to draw. Yes, Christianity was spreading as a proselytizing religion with a message that there’s something better for you after you die but it was Constantine that kicked Christianity into overdrive.

The actions of the Spanish are significant. What’s the predominant religion today in Latin America? Christianity. How did that come to be? The Spanish and Portuguese forced it onto every indigenous person who didn’t die of disease or violence.

And did Constantine do this through violence? No. You're not making the point you think you're making.

And again, the caricature of the Spanish missionaries you've invented in your mind is not the reality.

The Aztecs were brutal and horrific people and the other tribes hated them which is why they worked with the Spanish against them. These tribes didn't convert because they were threatened they converted because it was politically expedient or because they liked what they were hearing.

The problems here for you are Father Fuentes are many.

1. You say Psalms has a particular definition or use for the term “this generation” but
you have not cited to any verse in Psalms that supports your theory. When people make a statement without citation, they are usually wrong, exaggerating, lying and/or trying to mislead. I suspect you are no exception to that rule.

2. I did your work for you and checked Psalms and was unable to find ever one occurrence of “generation” or “this generation” that supports your claimed construction of “this generation” as “people with a wicked mindset” or the “Jewish nation as a whole.”

3. The typical usage in Psalm had a temporal aspect. See Psalm 78:4 (“we will tell the next generation the praiseworthy deeds of the Lord”); Psalm 78:8 (“They would not be like their ancestors— a stubborn and rebellious generation”); Psalm 79:13 (“from generation to generation we will proclaim your praise. “); Psalm 109:13 (“May his descendants be cut off, their names blotted out from the next generation”); Psalm 145:13 (“One generation commends your works to another”).

4. Also note that even your two unsupported and inconsistent constructions – “people with a wicked mindset” and “Jewish nation as a whole” don’t preclude in any way a temporal aspect to the term “generation” depending on the context. We are analyzing the verse “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened” which is loaded with temporal context (“this” “pass away” “until” “have happened”) no matter what strained and unsupported construction you attribute to "generation."

5. To the extent you are suggesting something was lost in translation to English, I find that very hard to believe. There has probably been more analysis and scholarship of the Bible than all other books on earth combined. Surely one of the Bible publishers would have corrected “this generation” before. The Gideons? They were no slouches and a very detailed bunch. King James' guys? They were experts. They wouldn't blow an easy one like this.

5. “Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” Plain English. Impossible for a literate person to misunderstand. It is clear as day that “THIS generation” is indeed the generation at hand that Jesus was speaking to. Not some other generation or some unbounded “generation” that includes some unidentified collection of endless generations of people of wicked mindset or a collection of Jews living from 0 AD to the present date (and beyond). Jesus was allegedly speaking to the generation then at hand. Not dozens of other future generations throughout time until today (and beyond).

6. Even C.S. Lewis said Matthew 24:34 was “the most embarrassing verse in the Bible.” He
believed Jesus was just flat out wrong. He was correct. Those words by Jesus were wrong. He was either mistaken, misguided, exaggerating or lying. He was wrong. Only a hopelessly biased zealot can hold out on that conclusion for very long. You and Father Fuentes have a lot of recalibrating to do.

What is a soul?

To help you understand what is a soul I may only bring you to an approximate understanding and the rest depends on your lived experience with God.

A soul is an intangible field entity with no concrete coordinates in space and time. It is timeless. Outside space and outside time. It’s form is not an electromagnetic field per se but can be said to underpin electromagnetic fields and their physical causes and effects. It however surely must have and needs to have electromagnetic basis to exist though not electromagnetic per se.

everything in the universe is electromagnetic frequency, energy and vibration and the entirety of space and time and those outside it must have a basis in the laws of physics in order to exist. That’s how and why the spiritual domain is really NOT THAT separable from the physical one.

I don’t need to call them all liars. They brought the lies and deception upon themselves is what it is. See the difference? And then what I did was merely to identify that they have brought the lies upon their heads which is different from calling them liars outright.

Casey Clinger and Connor Mantz seem like good men and not like liars. Very pious and devout in their beliefs. Their only problem is that they met and mixed with the wrong people or were born to Mormon parents already. They have a hurdle to climb to get out of the delusion.