By Kenya's standards, the bar for marathoning in America is low.
Even the Japanese collegiate record for the marathon is faster than Ryan Hall's PR (on a course valid for record purposes). And that record was set by a Japanese college junior in his FIRST marathon.
I take that back. The Japanese CR (2:06:18) is actually 1 second slower than Hall's best.
We know that EPO works. Are you doubting that? If it didn't increase the production of red blood cells, why would doctors even feel it was indicated in helping cancer patients?
And you don't doubt that hematocrit levels help in endurance sports, do you?
What does "works" mean? If "works" means increasing red blood cells and hematocrit, then we do know that, but do we "know" that improves elite endurance performance? (Remember: speculation/hypothesis/belief/rumor/myth is not knowledge).
So far we have 12 pages of people saying this. Compare that to when the white dude ran 7:17 and there was 30 pages of people calling it a glorious occurance.
No, piss off. Ingebrigtsen is a pretty obvious doper too and many here would agree. This isn’t a race thing. Socioeconomic factors may influence it at times, but this sport is dirty six ways to Sunday. If you throw stones and ad hominem attacks at people calling today out you’re part of the problem.
Go back and look at the threads from that time. There were a solid 30 pages of people celebrating Jacob before the negativity surfaced. Where is the suspension of disbelief for this gal? I mean, find me a single post that is actually celebrating her performance. You are right, I am part of the problem, but not accepting that there is a HUGE difference between how this site reacts to a white person running a jaw dropping time to when a black person does is a much bigger problem.
As someone with a degree in chemistry as well as a degree in medicine, I am beyond suspicious of this result. I believe that there is likely a designer drug that upregulates multiple anabolic pathways like hgh and testosterone, but is both more effective and not currently detectable, and has no external androgenic effects. These types of drugs are more effective on women, who obviously have much lower levels of naturally occurring anabolic hormones.
You don't have a degree in chemistry and medicine
I do and I don't think it makes my opinion here any less speculative.
As someone with a degree in chemistry as well as a degree in medicine, I am beyond suspicious of this result. I believe that there is likely a designer drug that upregulates multiple anabolic pathways like hgh and testosterone, but is both more effective and not currently detectable, and has no external androgenic effects. These types of drugs are more effective on women, who obviously have much lower levels of naturally occurring anabolic hormones.
I also have a chemistry degree, and that's a bunch of nonsense. You think she got access to some miracle drug that upregulates anabolic pathways with NO androgenic effects? Maybe she also wrote a perpetual motion machine to the finish
Criminalizing things which are not immoral is itself immoral. PED's are not bad in themselves, but breaking agreed upon rules is.
The motto is Faster, Higher, Longer. This is the motto of excellence, of the Ubermensch. End the farce that drug testing is and let the athletes shoot for the sky.
That's right. Chepngetich is slightly ahead of Kiptum if we assume women are 10% slower than men. But Kiptum clearly could have run faster given his negative splits. If we assume that he could run a full minute faster, AND put women only 9% or even slightly less ahead of men at the marathon (because they're better relative to men the further the distance), then Chepngetich's time today would be "in line" with men's times. As things are, though, it's true that Chepngetich's time today is slightly ahead of past men's times. How long will that last?
I assume that if Kiptum had lived, he would have run sub-2 in Rotterdam this past April.
In fact, the delta between women and men fluctuates around 10% across distances from 100m to the half marathon - with no clear trend.
Kiptum may have been able to run faster with even splits, but then so could have Ruth who ran a 1’26” positive split.
Let’s face it: her performance is the equivalent of 1h58 for a male. And her half marathon split was only 13” slower than her PB. It all seems very unreal.
Agree. She ran a sub 2.10 and had even more in the tank: after 45 seconds rest - I thought she would collapse - she sprinted twice along the finishing straight. That is when I lost hope she might be clean.
This thread is full of morons talking about whether she's doping or not. The real question is... What the hell is she taking?
Is she a super mutant super responder to EPO, is she working with a biolab in China, did Nike put a motor in her shoes.
Like this is unexplainable, regardless of super shoes/pacers/god genetics, how is it possible that she's steaming people that can lap her twice in a 10k???
Until this question is answered, women's distance running is officially on my banned list (Kipyegon ruined middle distance 🙄)
We know that EPO works. Are you doubting that? If it didn't increase the production of red blood cells, why would doctors even feel it was indicated in helping cancer patients?
And you don't doubt that hematocrit levels help in endurance sports, do you?
What does "works" mean? If "works" means increasing red blood cells and hematocrit, then we do know that, but do we "know" that improves elite endurance performance? (Remember: speculation/hypothesis/belief/rumor/myth is not knowledge).
That's right. Chepngetich is slightly ahead of Kiptum if we assume women are 10% slower than men. But Kiptum clearly could have run faster given his negative splits. If we assume that he could run a full minute faster, AND put women only 9% or even slightly less ahead of men at the marathon (because they're better relative to men the further the distance), then Chepngetich's time today would be "in line" with men's times. As things are, though, it's true that Chepngetich's time today is slightly ahead of past men's times. How long will that last?
I assume that if Kiptum had lived, he would have run sub-2 in Rotterdam this past April.
In fact, the delta between women and men fluctuates around 10% across distances from 100m to the half marathon - with no clear trend.
Kiptum may have been able to run faster with even splits, but then so could have Ruth who ran a 1’26” positive split.
Let’s face it: her performance is the equivalent of 1h58 for a male. And her half marathon split was only 13” slower than her PB. It all seems very unreal.
Yes to state the obvious, it has to be an blood-oxygen boosting ped
This thread is full of morons talking about whether she's doping or not. The real question is... What the hell is she taking?
Is she a super mutant super responder to EPO, is she working with a biolab in China, did Nike put a motor in her shoes.
Like this is unexplainable, regardless of super shoes/pacers/god genetics, how is it possible that she's steaming people that can lap her twice in a 10k???
Until this question is answered, women's distance running is officially on my banned list (Kipyegon ruined middle distance 🙄)
Agree with the morons comment. The most likely explanation for yesterday is that no Kenyan has been tested in Kenya for the last 12 weeks, due to a halt in funding, and WADA and Coe don't seem to care. If it goes on, expect to see Wayonyi break 1:39 early next season, perhaps run a sub 3:40 road mile pre-season. Hell, we could see Kipchoge break 2 hours at the age of 40.
And the 'morons' here will get very excited indeed, and scream racist at anybody doubting it all.
This thread is full of morons talking about whether she's doping or not. The real question is... What the hell is she taking?
Is she a super mutant super responder to EPO, is she working with a biolab in China, did Nike put a motor in her shoes.
Like this is unexplainable, regardless of super shoes/pacers/god genetics, how is it possible that she's steaming people that can lap her twice in a 10k???
Until this question is answered, women's distance running is officially on my banned list (Kipyegon ruined middle distance 🙄)
She's unschooled on the track. On present form she might post 14:15-14:20-29:20-29:30 on the track, with stack height permissable super shoes, or super spikes with a modified high stack.
Her 15:26/31:47 in Nairobi, altitude, 2022, have little relevance to her present form.
The next time Chepngetich races Hassan, who would you back?
I'd back Chepngetich. I think she's the female Kiptum, and I would have bet on Kiptum to beat anyone in his next marathon.
Kiptum ran three marathons, none slower than 2:01.50. I've seen Chepngetich get out-kicked by Sara Hall. Hassan will wipe the floor with her the next time they race.
In fact, the delta between women and men fluctuates around 10% across distances from 100m to the half marathon - with no clear trend.
Kiptum may have been able to run faster with even splits, but then so could have Ruth who ran a 1’26” positive split.
Let’s face it: her performance is the equivalent of 1h58 for a male. And her half marathon split was only 13” slower than her PB. It all seems very unreal.
Yes to state the obvious, it has to be an blood-oxygen boosting ped
But to state the more obvious: you don't know anything about Bioenergetics.
This thread is full of morons talking about whether she's doping or not. The real question is... What the hell is she taking?
Is she a super mutant super responder to EPO, is she working with a biolab in China, did Nike put a motor in her shoes.
Like this is unexplainable, regardless of super shoes/pacers/god genetics, how is it possible that she's steaming people that can lap her twice in a 10k???
Until this question is answered, women's distance running is officially on my banned list (Kipyegon ruined middle distance 🙄)
She's unschooled on the track. On present form she might post 14:15-14:20-29:20-29:30 on the track, with stack height permissable super shoes, or super spikes with a modified high stack.
Her 15:26/31:47 in Nairobi, altitude, 2022, have little relevance to her present form.
Women have had a mental barrier for years in the marathon. Radcliffe, 2:15:23, (14:30/30:00), broke new ground, but many others had the physical potential to run similar times in the marathon, but it was a mental barrier.
Now, with Chepngetich at 2:09:56, 2:15:00 is the "new 2:20:00" and many women should be capable of this type of time.
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