72-yr-old Masters World and National Champ Busted - Dude was an all sorts of PEDs!!!

HeatSheetsAreOut wrote:

Nur didn't declare. So he doesn't even show up as DNSing this morning. He apparently told people he pulled his hamstring in the 400 at the Pacific Championship meet a couple weeks back. But I went back and looked at the schedule for that meet. The 800 was after the 400. He ran the 800 and won it after the 400. So that one doesn't add up. I think out of competition testing for him and Hastings is warranted. I went and checked the USADA tests results. They tested Hastings once in 2018 and they don't appear to have tested Nur.

Hastings progression of times make no sense: 3:10 marathon at 42 in 2005, a 2:46 marathon at 48 in 2011, then slowing into the high 2:50s and low to mid 3s around 50 in 2014-2017. Then low 2:50s in late 50s around 2019. Then 2:45 at London at 59.

Likewise Nur's progression makes no sense. A 46:30 10k at 50 in 2008. A 3:53 marathon at 51 in 2009, then 40-41 minute 10ks and high 19/low 20 5ks at 51-52 in 2009-2010. Then a 1:30:11 half in 2011 at 53 (I think this was his last clean race), then suddenly a 17:43 5k, a 1:23:55 half and a 2:57 marathon at 53-54 in 2011. In 2013, his mile time (which had been 5:30 two years before) declines to 5:06, where it stays for years. Then in 2017 at 62, he runs an 80 half. At 2022 at Boston at aged 66, he runs a 2:45 marathon and a 17:00 turkey trot (certified course) 5k at 67.

Why they haven't tested him with those odd results, I don't know. If they want us to take Masters records seriously, they need to do random out of competition testing of Masters runners. The above, combined with what happened this week, is highly, highly suspicious.

geezer here wrote:

HeatSheetsAreOut wrote:

Nur didn't declare. So he doesn't even show up as DNSing this morning. He apparently told people he pulled his hamstring in the 400 at the Pacific Championship meet a couple weeks back. But I went back and looked at the schedule for that meet. The 800 was after the 400. He ran the 800 and won it after the 400. So that one doesn't add up. I think out of competition testing for him and Hastings is warranted. I went and checked the USADA tests results. They tested Hastings once in 2018 and they don't appear to have tested Nur.

Hastings progression of times make no sense: 3:10 marathon at 42 in 2005, a 2:46 marathon at 48 in 2011, then slowing into the high 2:50s and low to mid 3s around 50 in 2014-2017. Then low 2:50s in late 50s around 2019. Then 2:45 at London at 59.

Likewise Nur's progression makes no sense. A 46:30 10k at 50 in 2008. A 3:53 marathon at 51 in 2009, then 40-41 minute 10ks and high 19/low 20 5ks at 51-52 in 2009-2010. Then a 1:30:11 half in 2011 at 53 (I think this was his last clean race), then suddenly a 17:43 5k, a 1:23:55 half and a 2:57 marathon at 53-54 in 2011. In 2013, his mile time (which had been 5:30 two years before) declines to 5:06, where it stays for years. Then in 2017 at 62, he runs an 80 half. At 2022 at Boston at aged 66, he runs a 2:45 marathon and a 17:00 turkey trot (certified course) 5k at 67.

Why they haven't tested him with those odd results, I don't know. If they want us to take Masters records seriously, they need to do random out of competition testing of Masters runners. The above, combined with what happened this week, is highly, highly suspicious.

I was running those times in my early 50’s, but now in my 60’s, I hardly run. What in the world ‘reverses aging’ like that? What are the potential side-effects, or consequences?